Rreasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling

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I think a lot of Democrats know it was a rigged election but won't publicly admit it.

So they somehow have the ability to rig the presidential election but didn't bother doing so for the house and senate?
 
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So they somehow have the ability to rig the presidential election but didn't bother doing so for the house and senate?
That points to machine tabulations. I am guessing. Or it could be ballots with only the President filled in. There are anomalies between the number voting for President and Senator also. I am not an expert. The investigation is ongoing.
 
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That points to machine tabulations. I am guessing. Or it could be ballots with only the President filled in. There are anomalies between the number voting for President and Senator also. I am not an expert. The investigation is ongoing.
Are you looking into the allegations made in the article Blade posted? Or are you taking the allegations at face value?
 
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Are you looking into the allegations made in the article Blade posted? Or are you taking the allegations at face value?
I am talking about the study Blade posted.
The allegations of fraud, I find the general attitude "We Know there wasn't any fraud so why bother to investigate" or the refusal to weigh any evidence objectively, suspicious.
 
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I am talking about the study Blade posted.
The allegations of fraud, I find the general attitude "We Know there wasn't any fraud so why bother to investigate" or the refusal to weigh any evidence objectively, suspicious.
Yes....so are you looking into the allegations presented?
 
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Yes....so are you looking into the allegations presented?
Yes. There seems to be two stone sides,
1) There wasn't any voter fraud. Any proof presented is prima facia false and has no merit except to be dismissed as false
2) There was fraud, even if there isn't any proof, that isn't proof there wasn't fraud.
Both sides are equally charming in aspect but quite rude in presentation.
I am enjoying it immensely.
 
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What I notice is he didn't supply any links to support any of the stuff he talked about except the results. He made numerous claims but never bothered to support any of them. I'd suggest using "Hitchens's razor" on the whole thing.
Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"
tulc(just a thought)
 
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What I notice is he didn't supply any links to support any of the stuff he talked about except the results. He made numerous claims but never bothered to support any of them. I'd suggest using "Hitchens's razor" on the whole thing.
Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia

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The people who have followed this story have seen the links documenting the incidences already. This is the middle of the movie. Grab some popcorn and watch the show.

I know what it is like, I didn't watch any of that Schiff hearing so I would fall into some thread, blunder around and ask "What is a Steele Dossier" I thought steel was the material for the longest time.
 
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The people who have followed this story have seen the links documenting the incidences already. This is the middle of the movie. Grab some popcorn and watch the show.

I know what it is like, I didn't watch any of that Schiff hearing so I would fall into some thread, blunder around and ask "What is a Steele Dossier" I thought steel was the material for the longest time.
If the evidence exists, why isn’t it being presented in court? Why have Trump’s attorneys told judges that there is no evidence of fraud?
 
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Trump got a majority of Asian votes and increased his vote totals among blacks and hispanics. He held serve with suburban white women. He lost because white men shifted away from him. It turns out that while white working class men like the idea of protectionist trade policies, when the trade war consequences are felt in their pocketbook their opinion of those policies changes drastically. Trump's foolish trade wars cost him the election.
 
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Trump got a majority of Asian votes and increased his vote totals among blacks and hispanics. He held serve with suburban white women. He lost because white men shifted away from him. It turns out that while white working class men like the idea of protectionist trade policies, when the trade war consequences are felt in their pocketbook their opinion of those policies changes drastically. Trump's foolish trade wars cost him the election.
Pennsylvania Bombshell: Biden 99.4% v. Trump 0.6% | The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics
 
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Yes. There seems to be two stone sides,
1) There wasn't any voter fraud. Any proof presented is prima facia false and has no merit except to be dismissed as false
2) There was fraud, even if there isn't any proof, that isn't proof there wasn't fraud.
Both sides are equally charming in aspect but quite rude in presentation.
I am enjoying it immensely.
And what allegations of fraud have you been able to verify or dismiss based on the evidence? What allegations have you found to be credible?
 
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What is this supposed to tell us? That during the process of counting votes during one 90 minute span Biden outpaced Trump by 565k votes it seems. That isn't terribly shocking if the votes being tabulated were in Democrat strongholds like Philadelphia. The same can be said for Michigan, where the city of Detroit is notoriously slow at tabulating and counting votes. This isn't an example of fraud, it's an example of mismanagement and sloth in Democrat cities.
 
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So they somehow have the ability to rig the presidential election but didn't bother doing so for the house and senate?
They didn't stick to
just the presidential race. For example, there was a particularly contentious vote on taxes for oil, etc.
that was manipulated. They didn't move the observers out just for the heck of it, the supposed pipe bursting is now down to a "leaky toilet."
 
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What is this supposed to tell us? That during the process of counting votes during one 90 minute span Biden outpaced Trump by 565k votes it seems. That isn't terribly shocking if the votes being tabulated were in Democrat strongholds like Philadelphia. The same can be said for Michigan, where the city of Detroit is notoriously slow at tabulating and counting votes. This isn't an example of fraud, it's an example of mismanagement and sloth in Democrat cities.
Nonsense, the percentages are statistically impossible. The vote tabulation suddenly stopped, I guess Georgia came up with the only explanation -- a burst water pipe, but now they are saying it was a leaky toilet--so ALMOST everyone had to leave the counting room. Then come these huge reversals. Why break the law and strong arm observers who have a legal right to be there?
 
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Nonsense, the percentages are statistically impossible. The vote tabulation suddenly stopped, I guess Georgia came up with the only explanation -- a burst water pipe, but now they are saying it was a leaky toilet--so ALMOST everyone had to leave the counting room. Then come these huge reversals. Why break the law and strong arm observers who have a legal right to be there?
You're jumping to conclusions with little to no evidence.
 
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