Where do you stand on the 2020 election

Do you want a solid investigation into the election so truth can be shown either way?

  • I don't care, I just want to see my family for Christmas.

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • Biden won, lets investigate and prove it.

    Votes: 11 20.0%
  • Trump won, lets investigate and prove it.

    Votes: 12 21.8%
  • This should be forensically investigated and the criminals imprisioned.

    Votes: 24 43.6%
  • Biden won, I don't want to investigate.

    Votes: 18 32.7%

  • Total voters
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We are Christians and the truth should be what we search for. So, lets see. Do you as a Christian want the truth behind this disputed and important election to be brought to light either way.. winner take all.. if they are the true winner? Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?
 

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They are both puppets so why does it matter?

Who really runs all of the countries?

Matthew 4:
8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Satan runs ALL of the kingdoms of the earth.


Who is the god of this world?

2 Corinthians 4
4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

Ephesians 6
12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

This is why the bible never states waste time to get involved in the political race and a country's puppeteer elections. Instead, it says to worry about eternal things like soul winning.

Romans 10
15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
 
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We are Christians and the truth should be what we search for. So, lets see. Do you as a Christian want the truth behind this disputed and important election to be brought to light either way.. winner take all.. if they are the true winner? Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?
My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian , it seems like it's becomming a cult to be one side or another.
And actually if person thinks that persident of USA is actually like king ruling the country they're delusional and I'm sorry for them.
 
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My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian , it seems like it's becomming a cult to be one side or another.
Here is the deal while we are on this Earth we will live under the policies of that government, so we better care who is in office and the polices we live under in the meantime.
 
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It's already clear Biden won. Every recount and legal challenge has failed to do anything to contest that, and they can keep trying until the cows come home with the same result. It's just a desperate attempt by an insecure sore loser to obfuscate the facts.
 
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My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian , it seems like it's becomming a cult to be one side or another.
And actually if person thinks that persident of USA is actually like king ruling the country they're delusional and I'm sorry for them.

A King is actually better than the delusional idea of a democracy (2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what to eat for dinner, mob rule).
 
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Biden won. Almost every case filed thus far by the Trump Campaign has been tossed for lack of evidence. Trump lawyers have actually told judges that they have no evidence of fraud. Chris Krebs, the director of the Cubersecurity Agency, called it “the most secure election in American history" (his thanks for doing such a great job was to be fired by Trump). All we have are unsubstantiated allegations by Trump and his followers that there was fraud. There is no need for investigations.
 
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We are Christians and the truth should be what we search for. So, lets see. Do you as a Christian want the truth behind this disputed and important election to be brought to light either way.. winner take all.. if they are the true winner? Will you accept the winner if it is investigated and legally proven that one or the other wins? Or do you just want Trump out and Biden in.. end of story?
Then we also need to investigate whether or not Hillary Clinton eats children and whether or not the earth is flat. Just because a bunch of people believe a conspiracy theory doesn’t mean that my tax dollars should be used to debunk it, especially when those people refuse to review the evidence themselves! I’m pretty sure I’ve spent more time reviewing “evidence” than the average Trump supporter, yet they keep telling me there is irrefutable evidence!
 
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Hi zagzig,

I've been happy with the Biden win since the beginning. However, if anyone would put forth any real evidence that there was fraud, I'd want to know. What we have here isn't any fraud. Most of the battles are about whether or not to count a certain set of votes, not whether those votes were somehow fraudulent.

I'm not really interested in that. I believe that we should count all votes that voters made before the end of election day November 3rd, 2020. I believe, that in the case of someone mailing their ballot, that time should be allowed from the postmark date for that ballot to arrive. That would be anywhere from 3-5 days after election day. So long as a legal vote was cast by the close of business on election day, then it's not a matter of fraud, but whether or not we're going to allow for postal mail processing time for that ballot or not. Once a ballot is handed over to the U.S. post office and receives the postmark date stamp, then neither the voter, nor anyone else is able to change the legal voter's choice as to who they choose as their candidate. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Now, the fight seems to be over whether or not a state Supreme Court has the authority to change such procedures. While I still don't find that to be fraud, after all, everything that the SC did would have been out in the open and it's just a choice that a set of judges made, that does need to be determined. Do our laws, or any state's constitution, or the federal Constitution not allow a state SC to make such changes as when a mail-in ballot can be received? That's the question, and that should be addressed so that we don't have this problem in the future.

Obviously, the PA SC did think that they had the authority to make these decisions. Now the question is whether they do or not. That is still to be decided and I'm sure it will be before the next election rolls around. In the meantime, those involved that know how many ballots might be in question here, seen to think that it still isn't enough to make any difference in the outcome. According to politico.com, the PA's top elections official says that only 10,000 or so ballots were received after the 11/3 cutoff. If that's the case, and I don't know I wasn't there, but if it is the case, then I believe the case should be made mute and the legislature take the issue up at a later date.

It is actually possible that trump doesn't want this problem corrected. He may well find out that because of his threats and proclamations as to how slow the mail service was and that all of his minions should vote in person, he may find that those very late ballots were Republicans who decided at the last minute that it was too risky to stand in line. Biden, and most of the Democratic campaign workers, pushed the vote by mail and vote early mantra. So, it's likely that the votes for Biden pretty much all got there on time.

God bless,
ted
 
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My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian , it seems like it's becomming a cult to be one side or another.
And actually if person thinks that persident of USA is actually like king ruling the country they're delusional and I'm sorry for them.
Pretty much. People have been arguing on here for weeks and didnt even stop for Thanksgiving. Unfortunately people have put politics over God and it makes me sad to see. Also i havent seen one person change their mind yet so i really dont see the point of arguing
 
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Then we also need to investigate whether or not Hillary Clinton eats children and whether or not the earth is flat. Just because a bunch of people believe a conspiracy theory doesn’t mean that my tax dollars should be used to debunk it, especially when those people refuse to review the evidence themselves! I’m pretty sure I’ve spent more time reviewing “evidence” than the average Trump supporter, yet they keep telling me there is irrefutable evidence!

Oh what planet have you been on? We all know that Hilary eats children for breakfast and the Earth is flat as a pancake. ^_^

The sad thing is that some people believe these false claims to the point that members of the Proud Boys have threatened armed revolt.

Proud Boys Member Threatens Armed Revolt Outside Giuliani Meeting: 'Not Going to Stand Back and Stand By Anymore' (msn.com)
 
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Oh what planet have you been on? We all know that Hilary eats children for breakfast and the Earth is flat as a pancake. ^_^

The sad thing is that some people believe these false claims to the point that members of the Proud Boys have threatened armed revolt.

Proud Boys Member Threatens Armed Revolt Outside Giuliani Meeting: 'Not Going to Stand Back and Stand By Anymore' (msn.com)
LOL. But seriously, yes there is a recent uptick in both calls to violence and calls to be ready for violence from the Proud Boys and right wing militia-types. They think that Trump is going to call on them in some way.
 
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My personal opinion it's that u shouldn't worry about it as Christian...
False. Such a false idea is the major reason for national decline. Christians literally cannot follow Scripture without getting involved with politics. For example, when we follow the Scriptural mandate to pray for our leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-2), we are in fact effecting the social, economic, and political state of affairs of our nation due to the fact that our believing prayers effectually alter the thoughts, words, and deeds of such leaders. Same thing if we pray for the peace of our cities (Jeremiah 29:7).

Christ's Advent and Resurrection did not result in the the loss of our roles as the light and salt of the earth. No true good will come forth in society outside of the work and prayer of the Church. If such does not come forth, then the fault lies primarily at the feet of the Church. Get busy, Church of God. Pray like you have never prayed before!
 
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Biden won. I only said investigate to prove it for the benefit of the skeptics. Biden deserves their support just as i supported the validity of Twitter in Chief.
The desperation of the Biden folks to have President Trump give up the presidency even before the month of November is over, before every state has certified its votes, and before the Electoral College meets, makes sense only if Biden and Co. have some reason to think that the full picture of the vote fraud that occurred will come to light before Inauguration Day. This also explains why Biden was seen on national television "playing president" only days after Election Day.
 
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The desperation of the Biden folks to have President Trump give up the presidency even before the month of November is over makes sense only if Biden and Co. have some reason to think that the full picture of the vote fraud that occurred will come to light before Inauguration Day.

Since more and more of that picture is appearing with each passing day, they do have good reason to worry.

Hi albion,

UMMMM, that's really the reason that you think people are asking the president to concede. That there is some nefarious plot that will be revealed before inauguration day? Come on. You're smarter than that. Losing presidents have always conceded within a week of any election. Biden and company asking for the president's concession, and no, no one is expecting him to give up the presidency until January 20, 2020, is just how it's always normally been done.

Come on. Do you really expect anyone to believe that horse dung you're shoveling? That there's going to be some big reveal of fraud before the inauguration and if Trump conceded then it won't matter. That's not true. Al Gore conceded, and then withdrew the concession, but finally ended up conceding again. If Trump concedes and some major election fraud becomes known, the concession isn't legally binding in any way.

In fact, what will happen if some fraud is proven before the inauguration and it comes so close to the inauguration date that it can't be settled, because even if some fraud does come to light it doesn't mean that Trump will just get to continue being president, Nancy Pelosi will be the next President of the United States.

I'll bet that gets your putter fluttering!!!

And exactly what are you referring to about 'more and more of that picture appearing'. There has been absolutely nothing new concerning these fraud allegations since the first day they were made.

God bless,
ted
 
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Biden won. I only said investigate to prove it for the benefit of the skeptics. Biden deserves their support just as i supported the validity of Twitter in Chief. (emph. added)
The bolded portion in the above reminded me of a joke:
A man is convinced he is dead. His wife and kids are exasperated. They keep telling him he’s not dead. But he continues to insist he’s dead. They try telling him, “Look, you’re not dead; you’re walking and talking and breathing; how can you be dead?” But he continues to insist he is dead. The family finally takes him to a doctor. The doctor pulls out some medical books to demonstrate to the man that dead men do not bleed. After some time, the man admits that dead men do not bleed. The doctor then takes the man’s hand and a needle and pokes the end of his finger. The man starts bleeding. He looks at his finger and says, “What do you know? DEAD MEN DO BLEED!”
tulc(is convinced he'll have some more coffee) :coffee:
 
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Here is the deal while we are on this Earth we will live under the policies of that government, so we better care who is in office and the polices we live under in the meantime.
Correct. Politicians largely tell us what we can and cannot do. So we had better be consistent and active with everything when can use to win. The godless must be more than amused-- and appreciative-- when they hear of professing Christians claiming that politics is nothing Christians should be involved in.
 
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Hi albion,

UMMMM, that's really the reason that you think people are asking the president to concede. That there is some nefarious plot that will be revealed before inauguration day?
It doesn't have to be a master plot, Ted. Just the revelation that there were numerous instances of vote fraud will have the same effect.

You're smarter than that. Losing presidents have always conceded within a week of any election.

LOL. You needed to check that out before posting. What you said is quite incorrect.

In fact, what will happen if some fraud is proven before the inauguration and it comes so close to the inauguration date that it can't be settled, because even if some fraud does come to light it doesn't mean that Trump will just get to continue being president,...
That isn't the point and I didn't write anything like that.
 
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It doesn't have to be a master plot, Ted. Just the revelation that there were numerous instances of vote fraud will have the same effect.



LOL. You needed to check that out before posting. What you said is quite incorrect.


That isn't the point and I didn't write anything like that.

Hi albion,

Ok, ok. I don't want to ruffle your feathers. I know you've long been a hardcore trump supporter, but I just thought it was worthwhile for the sake of others who might be on this thread to hear the counterpoint to your argument.

I get it. You're going to go down with the ship. We'll create a thread playing taps for you on 1/20/21.

God bless,
ted
 
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