New York's COVID-19 restrictions on religious gatherings struck down

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

pitabread said:
The issue is that exercising one's personal freedom to transmit a viral pathogen that kills people invariably results in the loss of freedom of others.

Do you think that is acceptable? If exercising your own freedom meant others would die as a consequence, are you okay with that?

(Freedom is not absolute. There are reasons why laws, social norms, and other things exist in societies that restrict individual freedoms.)

Did we shut down the protests? I have a hard time with being told how dangerous something is and then seeing actions from the government that contradict what we are being told.

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

pitabread said:
Not sure how that is supposed to help with a viral pandemic...

Now isn't a good time to make leadership changes. If we are going to disregard the constitution then let's just also postpone changing Presidents until it's all safe. Anyone who wants to disregard the constitution doesn't just get to do it for what they want and tell the rest of us that we can't also disregard the law.

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

ximmix said:
Does that include the freedom of others, to not be infected by those who value their freedom more than human lives?

Are you putting people in harms way by needing groceries, keeping the electric on etc? Someone has to put themselves in harms way to support us. Why are our lives more valuable than theirs? Shouldn't we all share the risk?

pitabread · Nov 29, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Now isn't a good time to make leadership changes.

If Trump was a leader you might have a point. But as it stands...

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

pitabread said:
If Trump was a leader you might have a point. But as it stands...

Biden had his 40 years to do something already.

ximmix · Nov 29, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Are you putting people in harms way by needing groceries, keeping the electric on etc? Someone has to put themselves in harms way to support us. Why are our lives more valuable than theirs? Shouldn't we all share the risk?

Shouldn't everyone do their best to minimize the risk of spreading the disease?

ThisIsMe123 · Nov 29, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Hey I'm all for it. Nows not the time to bring in a new President. Trump should suspend all the rules and stay in office.

Now's NOT the time to take in a new president? Why do you say this?

Why should Trump stay in office? He's lost the election. Some of your posts, dude, are way off.

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
Now's NOT the time to take in a new president? Why do you say this?

Why should Trump stay in office? He's lost the election. Some of your posts, dude, are way off.

Someone said that the constitution no longer matters in a pandemic. If you give the government the power to do whatever they want then it's no different than Trump ignoring the law and just staying. The government cant just decide what they want to do just because of a virus. That opens up the door for a whole lot of misuse.

Arc F1 · Nov 29, 2020

ximmix said:
Shouldn't everyone do their best to minimize the risk of spreading the disease?

If you wish to wear a hazmat outfit or mopp gear go right ahead. Pretending by wearing an old surgical mask isn't helping though.

RestoreTheJoy · Nov 29, 2020

Semper-Fi said:
Supreme Court strikes down Cuomo's COVID restrictions on religious services in New York
Court rules 5-4 that restrictions violated First Amendment
as new Justice Amy Coney Barrett casts decisive vote.

Supreme Court strikes down Cuomo's COVID restrictions on religious services in New York

"The Supreme Court late Wednesday struck down New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's new COVID-19 restrictions on religious gatherings, as new Justice Amy Coney Barrett cast one of her first high-impact votes and Chief Justice John Roberts sided in dissent with the court's liberal bloc.

In a 5-4 decision, the court said Cuomo's restrictions violated the Constitution's First Amendment right to freedom of worship and granted an injunction barring the rules from being enforced."

We are not yet attending church because it is not wise for everyone, but that said, this Supreme Court decision is the correct decision. Cuomo overstepped...not the first time.

RestoreTheJoy · Nov 29, 2020

Arc F1 said:
If you wish to wear a hazmat outfit or mopp gear go right ahead. Pretending by wearing an old surgical mask isn't helping though.

A friend of mine was in Home Depot and took a photo of a guy walking in full hazmat gear.

ThisIsMe123 · Nov 29, 2020

Arc F1 said:
If you wish to wear a hazmat outfit or mopp gear go right ahead. Pretending by wearing an old surgical mask isn't helping though.

Okay, genius, please enlightenus how we are "pretending" by wearing a mask in public spaces?

Friend of mind just posted this, nothing could be further from the truth. ;-)

Fact - we could be returning to as close to "normal" as we could if a large segment of our populace was not married to the purely infantile idea that their "personal freedoms" were being infringed upon by wearing a mask and socially distancing.

When you cannot go to a restaurant, or see a business closing, or someone out of work - point the fingers at these toddlers, not people taking precautions to protect themselves and others.

It's a mask. Not shackles. Wear it.
For anyone opposing it so vehemently - you are an uninformed child.

This post was prompted as he has been seeing some restaurant establishments not even wearing masks, why, because our wonderful <sarcasism> governor, who has gone silent for weeks, is not doing jack to mitigate the spread.

I am even seeing friends on my FB feed sitting at a crowded table, maskless, in group photos.

Trogdor the Burninator · Nov 30, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
This post was prompted as he has been seeing some restaurant establishments not even wearing masks, why, because our wonderful <sarcasism> governor, who has gone silent for weeks, is not doing jack to mitigate the spread.

I am even seeing friends on my FB feed sitting at a crowded table, maskless, in group photos.

To be fair it's hard to eat and drink with a mask on

- which is why when we first went onto COVID restrictions (now lifted) restaurants were only allowed to sell takeaway food.

But otherwise I agree with you - the masks = oppression thing is bizarre. It's not an issue in Asia, and most countries there have long since lifted most of their restrictions and gone back to a close to business as usual model.

Arc F1 · Dec 1, 2020

ThisIsMe123 said:
Okay, genius, please enlightenus how we are "pretending" by wearing a mask in public spaces?

Friend of mind just posted this, nothing could be further from the truth. ;-)

Fact - we could be returning to as close to "normal" as we could if a large segment of our populace was not married to the purely infantile idea that their "personal freedoms" were being infringed upon by wearing a mask and socially distancing.

When you cannot go to a restaurant, or see a business closing, or someone out of work - point the fingers at these toddlers, not people taking precautions to protect themselves and others.

It's a mask. Not shackles. Wear it.
For anyone opposing it so vehemently - you are an uninformed child.

This post was prompted as he has been seeing some restaurant establishments not even wearing masks, why, because our wonderful <sarcasism> governor, who has gone silent for weeks, is not doing jack to mitigate the spread.

I am even seeing friends on my FB feed sitting at a crowded table, maskless, in group photos.

Every year I paid for ppe classes for my employees. The experts and osha all required way different protective gear for anyone working in a situation with a deadly virus. Luckily we didn't have to deal with that. At no point were cloth or paper masks to be worn. Even the ones required if I remember correctly had to have the filters changed every four hours. Then there's the eyes. They also have to be sealed off. People have to also go through decontamination.

Why would all that be thrown out for today's standards? Were we lied to?

RestoreTheJoy · Dec 1, 2020

Arc F1 said:
Every year I paid for ppe classes for my employees. The experts and osha all required way different protective gear for anyone working in a situation with a deadly virus. Luckily we didn't have to deal with that. At no point were cloth or paper masks to be worn. Even the ones required if I remember correctly had to have the filters changed every four hours. Then there's the eyes. They also have to be sealed off. People have to also go through decontamination.

Why would all that be thrown out for today's standards? Were we lied to?

Well, that's interesting. I've never worked in that sort of arena, but I have thought that it is odd that we are wearing paper masks or single layer cloth ones.

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