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I do not understand your reasoning.

Unless a prisoner has not commited a crime against the state,
why should they be made to work,
they owe the state nothing.

Their victims should be compensated and when that is done they should no longer be kept in jail.

At the least they owe the state for arrest and adjudication costs, plus room and board while in prison. I was found innocent in vandalism case when I was young but still had to pay "court costs".

Full restitution should be made to victims, and families in murder cases.

For some community service should be available on a voluntary basis, and may or may not be rewarded by direct pay or reduced jail time.
 
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Under Torah Law.

Circumstantial evidence will not cut it.

Two impeccable witnesses who observed the person
transgressing an act punishable by death,

these two must have warned the person of the capital punishment he could recieve for doing the prohibited act even he knew.

Finally, the person must have commited the transgression immidiately after the warning,
any hesitation and the death penalty is off.

Under Torah Law, capital crimes are tried by a tribunal of 23 judges "Minor Sanhedrin".

After hearing the testimony of the witnesses the judges split up into two groups,

one would form a defence team,

one who are inclined to convict.

The judges would vote.

If all 23 judges form an opinion of guilt,
if the evidence is so compelling,
the crime so heineous no one of the tribunal chooses to argue in the accused favour.

The accused cannot be convicted but must be exonerated by the court.

No man is so utterly evil that there is nothing to be said in his defence.

There is always some explanation or something
not that he is going to be found innocent in the legal sense,

but if not a single member of the court percieves
the "innocent side" of the person accused before them.

This is a court that obviously has very little understanding of who he is and what he has done.

Such a court has disqualified itself from passing judgement on him.

Taken from an article by Yanki Tauber.

Further more he says,
They are lessons for judges,
the rest of us have neither need or cause to pass
judgement on anyone.

Because there is so much we do not know.

Wasn't Jesus tried under this law?
 
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Wasn't Jesus tried under this law?


Jesus was betrayed by one of his own whom he had himself chosen, knowing what he was doing.

John 6:70-71

He was handed over to the Romans as a trouble maker.

Or what?
 
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Jesus was betrayed by one of his own whom he had himself chosen, knowing what he was doing.

John 6:70-71

He was handed over to the Romans as a trouble maker.

Or what?

Do you think that everyone should be tried today the way Jesus was tried, by a Jewish court in the dark of night?
 
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Read carefully post#180,

And btw, this thread is about executions in the US .

I'll rephrase the question.

Do you think everyone accused of murder should be tried in a Jewish court under the laws of the Torah?
 
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It reads like a 'get out of jail free' card.

What is there to say,
I don't know.



But a voice is calling out from within,
"Come Mashiach"

That he may come with righteous judgement.

The world leaders will stand there gaping.

"Who would have believed it."

Isaiah 52:15
 
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. It’s off topic but I never felt as unsafe as I had until recently due to his encouragement of these disgusting racist supremacist groups . As an older woman in my 60s , I’ve had complete stranger white men try to bogart . I get an attitude which they pick up on . You might hurt me but I’ll make you suffer for it. I don’t even say anything it’s the attitude. At that point they leave me alone. Even as a teen I never had to tolerate that crap.

I'm 56 and white. I've met one white supremacist in my life. Only one and that was in the military. I live in redneckville USA and I'm telling you this all way over rated. There may be a very small percentage out there but it's not anything like on the news.
 
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I'm 56 and white. I've met one white supremacist in my life. Only one and that was in the military. I live in redneckville USA and I'm telling you this all way over rated. There may be a very small percentage out there but it's not anything like on the news.
I live in multi-culti-ville NYC . Even in the 50s and 60s I never saw this type of immature behavior. Certainly not in the 70s we all hung out together . But this last 4 years I’ve had to cuss some entitled people out , I’ve had to run away from one (mentally ill )into a store . Etc etc ! I’m not a fighter but I’ve had to pretend that I could whip someone’s behind by using body language ( an understanding of threat postures in animal behavior - biology and dance come in handy in unexpected ways) . And it’s always white people who think they can bogart . Not this gal, I’m one of those uppity ones and I won’t let them get away with it!
 
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The death penalty, however carried out, is closure for everyone. The upside greatly outweighs the downside.

It's closure only for those who enjoy seeing people hurt.
 
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The Japanese also do that . People given the death penalty aren’t told when they’ll die.

The death penalty is very rarely carried out in Japan. It has to be something really heinous, like mass murder. And crime in Japan is very low, far lower than in the US.
 
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Reminds me somewhat of the plot of a Gilbert and Sullivan musical. Set in Japan, think it was...
My object all sublime ,
I shall achieve in time ,
to make the punishment fit the crime
, the punishment fit the crime !

this is part 1 , part 2 is here as well This thread is getting too grim . The operetta is funny
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