Is the FBI Finally Looking Into Voter Fraud?

NightHawkeye said:

You might start by reading Sidney Powell's Georgia lawsuit, that's a good primer. After that, look at her Michigan lawsuit which alleges even greater levels of fraud.

You still interested in seeing her evidence?

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Sydney Powell's bowl of wall spaghetti?
Venezuelan vote flipping conspiracies, etc.? In both places, but not elsewhere? Blech!

NightHawkeye said:

Fair enough.

We're just arguing about the extent of the fraud. Thanks for the clarification.

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As you can easily see from the data released by the White House, the only actual real fraud data, there is always some election fraud, whether intentional or not, in every election, ever, and, unless we are all turned into unthinking automatons there always will be, just as there will always be car accidents, and fights, and whatever else you can think of. What there is no evidence for at all is the kind of widespread fraud Trumpus and his minions are claiming.

NightHawkeye said:

As the discussion with another poster went just prior to your posting; we're merely arguing the extent of fraud, not whether there was fraud.

Maybe the courts will decide that insufficient fraud exists to require a remedy; maybe the courts will decide that the fraud requires a remedy. Time will tell. (It must be noted that courts are very reluctant to intercede in election matters, so if they do, by itself, that will be an indication of extensive fraud.)

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That’s a pretty silly argument. If someone made a massive nationwide case claiming that American retail stores were being robbed blind every single day by mobs of crazed criminals taking everything they could get there hands on, how seriously would you take it? If the ‘proof’ offered in defence was oh but shoplifting occurs, would you take that to be a supporting argument? I can see that you’re backtracking, and fair enough, but you need better arguments.

NightHawkeye said:

Obviously, you have had limited access to news.

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Since you can't correctly identify the obvious...

Blade said:

I just read something today.. great news for president Trump.. yesterday the same..yet.. its NO WHERE here.

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Why have you not posted it, or are you saying you tried but were somehow prevented from posting it????

Elliewaves said:

I thought trumpy was claiming that the FBI rigged the election against him in his latest interview.

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Well, Donald has been President for about four years, during which time he has been effecting who is in office and in government service. So, I find it interesting how ones say the FBI is somehow against him . . . after he has had four years to change the FBI to suit his purposes.

I mean, if there has been enough voting fraud to make Joe the winner falsely, I would think Donald by now could have the FBI ready to deal with this . . . if it were true. But it appears there are people even of Donald's choosing who are refusing to go along with what he is trying to do. It is said that judges which he appointed are not accepting his claims.

Andrewn said:

I hope Trump appreciates all your efforts for the cause.

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Have you seen the plethora of other threads? Welcome to Newsmax or One American News, Christianforums style.

NightHawkeye said:

even many of them also know about the fraud.

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I would say I can not know there is fraud, just because it is claimed in the news. So, how "many" of them know by being actual eye witnesses, versus going by hearsay?

With all the claims out there, of fake news . . . I would just say I am not an eye witness to any fraud. And, for all I know, Donald could be creating some fake news and calling the kettle black, after doing some fraud, himself . . . for all I know. So, I am admitting that I do not know.

MIDutch said:

But that's not what your article says.

"Braynard now says the FBI has reached out to him and his team asking for them to hand over evidence underlying their findings."

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This can mean . . . whatever it really means.

Possibly, for all I know, the FBI is just making sure, though they have already checked things out; or they will discover things which need attention, and/or hoaxed evidence . . . in more or less quantities coming from Braynard.

How much there will be of either, they might find out. Plus, there is such a thing as what is called "inconclusive".

NightHawkeye said:

So you agree that Trump is entitled to his day in court.

Excellent point of agreement!

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It is absolutely not shocking your reply above isn’t an answer to the query.

NightHawkeye said:

You might start by reading Sidney Powell's Georgia lawsuit, that's a good primer. After that, look at her Michigan lawsuit which alleges even greater levels of fraud.

You still interested in seeing her evidence?

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Her lawsuit isn’t evidence. Her law suit is essentially allegations.

Evidence is testimony, things, objects, tangible items, admitted into evidence before a court in a formal hearing. Has this happened yet?

Hans Blaster said:

Where and show the evidence?

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Hans Blaster said:

(Secret, unrevealed evidence is useless.)

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indeed

NightHawkeye said:

You might start by reading Sidney Powell's Georgia lawsuit, that's a good primer. After that, look at her Michigan lawsuit which alleges even greater levels of fraud.

You still interested in seeing her evidence?

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Here is a video I saw, of her > I am a witness how she here plainly claims she is a lawyer who knows the diff between fake and real evidence. And she clearly says she has material which can be used, not only to discredit plenty of votes for Joe, but she had collected evidence that can be used to criminally prosecute individuals and states > my opinion is she knows she is a lawyer making these allegations of this video; if she does not present what she claims to have for evidence in time before the inauguration, I would think she could be disbarred for making fraudulent statements and/or for gross incompetence, and she knows this and seems to say so in a subtle way not so graphically like I have.

So, I am waiting her out, with interest > Sidney Powell Trump Lawsuit Dominion Smartmatic Kickbacks Newsmax Fox News CIA FBI - YouTube

I would say she must mean that basically functional investigators and judges will be able to see that her stuff is legit. Do I know? Of course not. So, I am simply calling her . . . by being quiet, and knowing how, if there is anything to her, ones will be able to see it. Plus, it is clear she says she has time to get her stuff out before inauguration. So, I don't need to guess. It seems she has guaranteed that things will be clear in the open before the inauguration date.

But . . . I understand . . . I am not the court to know or evaluate her items.

Plus, I consider > Donald is still in authority, with Republican admin people who can back her up if she has real proof. I understand that Donald appoints the heads of the FBI and the CIA. And she in plain English in this interview guarantees the CIA head must be fired.

And, lo and behold, I just saw news claiming Donald has distanced himself from her!! - - of all things.

Tom 1 said:

That’s a pretty silly argument. If someone made a massive nationwide case claiming that American retail stores were being robbed blind every single day by mobs of crazed criminals taking everything they could get there hands on, how seriously would you take it? If the ‘proof’ offered in defence was oh but shoplifting occurs, would you take that to be a supporting argument?

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I think this was pretty major and if the left here doesn't like the source link (I put below) the fact IS the battleground states DID do this. Why in the battle ground states did they stop the counting? I also recall (can't remember what state) they said for the reason to see where we are. See where they are? Why would one have to see where they are if they're merely counting votes? You count them and report them period. To say see where we are pretty much seems like the need to do calculations to see how many votes that need to be added for a certain candidate at least to me it does unless someone can tell me different.

Why Did Six Battleground States with Democrat Governors (Except One) ALL Pause Counting on Election Night? And How Was This Coordinated?

Bobber said:

I think this was pretty major and if the left here doesn't like the source link (I put below) the fact IS the battleground states DID do this. Why in the battle ground states did they stop the counting? I also recall (can't remember what state) they said for the reason to see where we are. See where they are? Why would one have to see where they are if they're merely counting votes? You count them and report them period. To say see where we are pretty much seems like the need to do calculations to see how many votes that need to be added for a certain candidate at least to me it does unless someone can tell me different.

Why Did Six Battleground States with Democrat Governors (Except One) ALL Pause Counting on Election Night? And How Was This Coordinated?

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It didn't happen.

PolitiFact - Battleground states did not ‘stop counting’ votes on election night when Trump was ahead

Bobber said:

I think this was pretty major and if the left here doesn't like the source link (I put below) the fact IS the battleground states DID do this. Why in the battle ground states did they stop the counting? I also recall (can't remember what state) they said for the reason to see where we are. See where they are? Why would one have to see where they are if they're merely counting votes? You count them and report them period. To say see where we are pretty much seems like the need to do calculations to see how many votes that need to be added for a certain candidate at least to me it does unless someone can tell me different.

Why Did Six Battleground States with Democrat Governors (Except One) ALL Pause Counting on Election Night? And How Was This Coordinated?

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I already debunked this once today. Here's the short version:

Counting never stopped in Wisconsin. It was finished within 12 hours of poll closing. In the other states counting took several days and every county sent the counters home each night rather than having enough staff to work 24-hours a day.

This is NOTHING.

com7fy8 said:

So, I am waiting her out, with interest > Sidney Powell Trump Lawsuit Dominion Smartmatic Kickbacks Newsmax Fox News CIA FBI - YouTube

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She's clearly a liar or delusional. I have this video on right now. It's on that TV show that had that crazy guy call in for almost an hour this morning.

Hans Blaster said:

She's clearly a liar or delusional. I have this video on right now. It's on that TV show that had that crazy guy call in for almost an hour this morning.

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Since one of her conspiracies involved Hugo Chavez as an actor (dead for seven years now I think) I have to go with delusional. Even Trump dumped her at that point:

Trump Lawyer Dumped After Claiming Hugo Chavez Rigged U.S. Election

NightHawkeye said:

100,000 illegal ballots isn't enough to declare massive fraud?

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I've only heard of 2 so far that were actually proven, and both were by Republicans. I agree with you that this isn't acceptable though, and Trump's remaining 73,923,495 votes should be taken away just to be sure.