Pennsylvania Supreme Court Tosses Trump Ally Mike Kelly’s Constitutional Challenge to the 2020 Elect

Archivist · Nov 29, 2020

Bobber said:
Is it that there hasn't been evidence brought forth or is it rather you don't consider it such? And are you sure you've even heard the other side of the story seeing there's a media blackout from most of the mainstream media.

If there is evidence out there, why is it not being presented to the courts? Why has almost every case been tossed for lack of evidence? Judges are not stupid.

That's simply not true. There was electors pressured into not giving the nod for Trump at the EC.

True. I would say there is a difference between trying to get an elector to change his/her vote and trying to get a court to overturn an election. Many states require electors to vote as the state voted, but not all. In some states you vote for named electors. There is nothing illegal about trying to get an elector in such a state to change his/her vote. BTW, one of theses faithless electors changed his vote so Washington would remain the only unanimous President. The Pennsylvania case was trying to throw out every mail-in vote, so my mom would have had her vote taken away. Is that fair given that those who voted in person would still have their votes counted?

Actually I see nothing wrong with parties or persons appealing to Legislatures to not go by the vote. Neither did the Founding Fathers for they made provisions for it to take place if faith in an election was null and void. Yes it'd create a firestorm....such is life though, the Founding Fathers considered it would be a sad thing to do as I would BUT maybe necessary. So if something is necessary it's necessary. What people's emotions are about it mean nothing.

The problem is that it is not necessary for any state to take the vote away from the people and allow the legislature to vote. Why? Because no proof has been shown of massive election fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. If such evidence existed it would have been submitted as evidence before a court of law.

SilverBear · Nov 29, 2020

Bobber said:
Not maybe 80 million Americans.

it's quite a bit more than that. But it doen't matter how many people believe because popularity doesn't make things true

SilverBear · Nov 29, 2020

Bobber said:
And you're telling me the Dems didn't play the "I" Card (the illegitimate Card) on Trump the last four years?

how many lawsuits did the democrats start in an attempt to have millions of votes thrown out?

Blade · Nov 29, 2020

SilverBear said:
how many lawsuits did the democrats start in an attempt to have millions of votes thrown out?

Your asking in the wrong place. Well were on the INTERNET and.. what you know they know. I read yesterday and even today something great for the Trump team about this election and its no where here.

So...2014-2015 Trump winning and at some point they will be saying "impeach impeach impeach but it will not happen" <---yeah.. that guy whom I never cared for was spot on. Whats odd is that video is NOT easy to find. There was more that came later about the dems and something hidden evil the lord will make known. So many of these things are not true. But when I seen what is happening right now and then listen to men/women of God many months ago talk about this moment... they were spot on. And again.. not easy to find. The fake ones so easy.

So.. God is doing something.. haha this moment didn't catch Him by surprise. It wont be so bad this time as it was in 2016-now. Well this time they will see and hear. So..far from over. Praise GOD glory to JESUS He will get all the glory and praise. Not here to offend.

tulc · Nov 29, 2020

Blade said:
(snip) So.. God is doing something.. haha this moment didn't catch Him by surprise. (snip)

You're right...He isn't surprised that, come Jan 20th, 2021 Joe Biden is going to be the 46th President of the United States. :wave:

tulc(thought seems pretty clear)

chad kincham · Nov 29, 2020

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tulc said:
full headline:

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Tosses Trump Ally Mike Kelly’s Constitutional Challenge to the 2020 Election

tulc(thought this was interesting)

You’ll really find it interesting when Trump sits in the White House for four more years.

tulc · Nov 29, 2020

chad kincham said:
You’ll really find it interesting when Trump sits in the White House for four more years.

Well...to be fair he (like all Americans) will be free to visit during designated visiting hours on the days they have tours through the White House. And if that's what he wants to do in-between court dates and golf games he is certainly free to do so for the four (maybe eight) years of President Biden's administration. :wave:

tulc(they might even let him do some "bunker inspections" just to be nice to a former President)

chad kincham · Nov 29, 2020

miamited said:
Hi bobber,

Sorry to step in here in the middle of your discussion with tom, but...

In the 2016 election, there actually was reason for concern over the outcome of the election. Clinton did win the popular vote. That has never changed. No one has brought forth any evidence that the count was tainted in that election and as far as I'm aware, the national vote tally did show that Clinton won by a couple of million votes. However, Trump did win in the states that carried the largest electoral votes and so he won according to the electoral count.

Yes, that's a legitimate concern and has brought up a lot of discussion concerning whether or not we really should keep the particular voting method that we have of an electoral college to back up the popular vote.

However, the 2020 election does not have that disparate finding among the two methods of vote counting. According to the state laws governing electoral votes, Biden will be given more electoral votes than Trump and Biden did also prevail in the popular vote. So, when you say that many Democrats cried foul over the 2016 election, yes, I would agree that they did. However, they didn't go to anywhere near such lengths to overturn the decision of the electoral college. Many just felt that it was unfair that the electoral college took precedence over the popular vote. That's actually happened a couple of times in our political history and it's always started a firestorm of disagreement.

So, I'd say that this 'I' card that you're referring to has been played as an entire deck in this election by Trump and his minions, whereas it was only somewhat played sporadically by the Democrats in the last election. Now, you may not see that as being any different and that's ok. But I just wanted to put on record that there is a difference in reason that we may have heard about this 'I' card in the 2016 election that wouldn't apply in the 2020 election.

Grasping at straws is always a fun exercise in refutation.

God bless,
ted

Besides the obvious fraud with Mali in ballots, and beside the provable facts from forensic audits by computer and other specialists, and beside the apsworn affidavit testimony from eyewitnesses to many instances of deliberate ballot manipulating, there are other ways to analyze data and facts about the election, to realize there was election fraud in the biggest city in each of the six states.

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling | Spectator USA

5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

chad kincham · Nov 29, 2020

Besides the forensic audit evidence of vote flow and vote spikes in the data, and the fact that it’s provable that Dominion and Smartmatic voting machine software is designed to steal elections, and besides the large number of sworn affidavit testimony by eye witnesses of ballot manipulation, there are other ways to analyze facts about the election that shows something is obviously very rotten - such as these two articles:

Election anomalies deeply troubling:

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling | Spectator USA

More unlikely Biden anomalies:

5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

tulc · Nov 29, 2020

chad kincham said:
Besides the obvious fraud with Mali in ballots, and beside the provable facts from forensic audits by computer and other specialists, and beside the apsworn affidavit testimony from eyewitnesses to many instances of deliberate ballot manipulating, there are other ways to analyze data and facts about the election, to realize there was election fraud in the biggest city in each of the six states.
(snip)

Two points: 1) You'll let us know when any of the above actually is admitted as evidence in a court case, right? because so far? that stuff only seems to be considered "evidence" on twitter and such.
and 2) people's inability to accept reality doesn't really change reality. That's why it's called reality. President Trump lost the election. And all the straw clutching and belief in "massive voter fraud myths" aren't going to change that.
tulc(just thought those should be pointed out)

Semper-Fi · Nov 29, 2020

House Co-Sponsorship Memoranda - PA House of Representatives (state.pa.us)

Bobber · Nov 29, 2020

SilverBear said:
how many lawsuits did the democrats start in an attempt to have millions of votes thrown out?

If the votes are illegal do you want them counted?

Tom 1 · Nov 29, 2020

chad kincham said:
Besides the obvious fraud with Mali in ballots, and beside the provable facts from forensic audits by computer and other specialists, and beside the apsworn affidavit testimony from eyewitnesses to many instances of deliberate ballot manipulating, there are other ways to analyze data and facts about the election, to realize there was election fraud in the biggest city in each of the six states.

Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling | Spectator USA

5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

The article points out what the writer (a member of the democracy institute, a front for lobbyists, including big tobacco etc) describes as anomalies and unusual voting patterns. You can find similar stuff online about the Bush/Gore election contest. Attempting to present this as ‘proof’ of anything is disingenuous.

tulc · Nov 29, 2020

Bobber said:
If the votes are illegal do you want them counted?

If the votes are illegal why can't anyone prove it in court?
tulc(suspects it's because courts, unlike twitter, tend to want proof before throwing out millions of peoples votes)

QvQ · Nov 30, 2020

tulc said:
Well...Joe Biden did win in a landslide, so evidently His will is for Joe Biden to be President and not Donald Trump.
tulc(so there's that)

Biden paid a Dog Psychic to channel his dog. That isn't cute to me. Somehow, maybe I am just a bit wary of psychics and channeling. Is that Christian? I wouldn't do it, mainly because I don't believe that nonsense but I seriously wouldn't do it because channeling can introduce all sorts of bad spirits or something..satanic
Very uncomfortable with that.
Didn't want to start a new thread so I post it here to get some thoughts from the folks

mmksparbud · Nov 30, 2020

We really need to have a little compassion for Trump. Poor thing is obviously suffering from dementia and needs to be put in a home where he can get the proper care and medication. I'm just not sure they make Depends in his size.

QvQ · Nov 30, 2020

mmksparbud said:
We really need to have a little compassion for Trump. Poor thing is obviously suffering from dementia and needs to be put in a home where he can get the proper care and medication. I'm just not sure they make Depends in his size.

Do SDA pay dog psychics to channel dogs? Is that Christian? I am just asking around as I would absolutely not do that but I am not certain about other Christians.

mmksparbud · Nov 30, 2020

QvQ said:
Do SDA pay dog psychics to channel dogs? Is that Christian? I am just asking around as I would absolutely not do that but I am not certain about other Christians.

There are some Christians who do that---we are totally opposed to that.

Daniel Martinovich · Nov 30, 2020

tulc said:
full headline:

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Tosses Trump Ally Mike Kelly’s Constitutional Challenge to the 2020 Election

tulc(thought this was interesting)

Of course. It was the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that ordered the unconstitutional fraudulent election in the first place.
Here is a nice list made by the Penn legislature who is now disputing the election of the fraud the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has imposed on the nation. It's Happening: Pennsylvania State Legislature Files Resolution -- DISPUTES STATEWIDE 2020 ELECTION RESULTS

SilverBear · Nov 30, 2020

Bobber said:
If the votes are illegal do you want them counted?

not what i asked.

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