Pennsylvania Supreme Court Tosses Trump Ally Mike Kelly’s Constitutional Challenge to the 2020 Elect

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tulc said:

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Pennsylvania Supreme Court Tosses Trump Ally Mike Kelly’s Constitutional Challenge to the 2020 Election

tulc(thought this was interesting)

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All this stuff make me yawn. Maybe now we can get this stuff up to the Supreme Court?

Bobber said:

All this stuff make me yawn. Maybe now we can get this stuff up to the Supreme Court?

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doubtful. The case here was a challenge to the Pennsylvania state constitution not the United States Constitution. The only way this would move into the federal courts...and it would not start at the Supreme Court level would be to show that the Pennsylvania State Constitution is in violation of the Untied States Constitution. I can't see where anything that would be in even considered to be in violation of the US Constitution.

So Trumps efforts to steal the election in Pennsylvania have come to nothing

SilverBear said:

So Trumps efforts to steal the election in Pennsylvania have come to nothing

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Or others would say rightly bring things in line as many are convinced there was massive voter fraud.

Bobber said:

Or others would say rightly bring things in line as many are convinced there was massive voter fraud.

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Many are convinced that the earth is flat, the moon landings were faked, and that cats are smarter than dogs.

Tom 1 said:

Many are convinced that the earth is flat, the moon landings were faked, and that cats are smarter than dogs.

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Yeah but one survey showed only about 1.28 of the population thinks the earth is flat. Close to 80% of Republicans believe the election was stolen from Trump you can add on to that about 15% of Democrats. I think you're looking at more than half the nation doesn't believe the election was legit so maybe you should consider your claim election doubters are comparable to Flat Earthers falls off the edge.

Bobber said:

falls off the edge.

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Good one. Trump has been trying to convince people that every election result he doesn't like, like his popular vote loss in 2016, and his total loss this time, is rigged. It's one of his most popular tactics for sowing confusion and lashing out at anything he's not happy about. Don't like the truth - it's fake! Don't like an election result? It was rigged! And so on. It's hardly surprising that anyone who treats his various rantings as having some real-world significance would begin to question real world events, that's the whole point.

Hi bobber,

You wrote:

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Close to 80% of Republicans believe the election was stolen from Trump you can add on to that about 15%.

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Uh-oh, 95% still comes up short for a winning democratic majority. It certainly isn't surprising that a party that allowed their leader to pretty much run roughshod over people and issues, supports him by 80%. However, I read on one website (politico) that the Democratic count of those who believe the election may have been tainted is only around 10%.

That's one of the complaints of many, many Democrats and Independents, and now quite a few Republicans, that Trump seemed to be able to bully those of his party into cow towing to anything that he did. It's almost as if the Republican party has become some kind of cult following. Like those people who don't really know Chloe Kardashian, but claim to love her.

Anyway, it will soon be over and those 80% of Republicans and 10% of Democrats can lick their wounds until the next presidential election. Personally, I just can't believe that those 80% of Republicans really support what's going on at the WH now. Trump has literally abdicated his position. He's spending every day on the golf course and pretty much just giving the finger to the nation that he claims to love. But again, that just goes to show the 'cult' effect that the Republican party is showing. They're even happy with their leader not being a leader, just as long as he stays in office.

Oh, and BTW, that 95% is just about in line with the vote tally. Kind of makes one go 'hmmmm'. Maybe the election did come out right'.

Oh, and let me also add that if only 80% of Republicans think the election was tainted and 10% of Democrats...then there are more Republicans that have decided to accept the election, than Democrats who question it.

God bless,
ted

Bobber said:

Or others would say rightly bring things in line as many are convinced there was massive voter fraud.

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Many are convinced Aliens built the pyramids too. They are wrong

SilverBear said:

Many are convinced Aliens built the pyramids too. They are wrong

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Not maybe 80 million Americans.

Tom 1 said:

Good one. Trump has been trying to convince people that every election result he doesn't like, like his popular vote loss in 2016, and his total loss this time, is rigged.

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And you're telling me the Dems didn't play the "I" Card (the illegitimate Card) on Trump the last four years?

Bobber said:

And you're telling me the Dems didn't play the "I" Card (the illegitimate Card) on Trump the last four years?

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Uh no. What’s the relevance?

Bobber said:

And you're telling me the Dems didn't play the "I" Card (the illegitimate Card) on Trump the last four years?

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Hi bobber,

Sorry to step in here in the middle of your discussion with tom, but...

In the 2016 election, there actually was reason for concern over the outcome of the election. Clinton did win the popular vote. That has never changed. No one has brought forth any evidence that the count was tainted in that election and as far as I'm aware, the national vote tally did show that Clinton won by a couple of million votes. However, Trump did win in the states that carried the largest electoral votes and so he won according to the electoral count.

Yes, that's a legitimate concern and has brought up a lot of discussion concerning whether or not we really should keep the particular voting method that we have of an electoral college to back up the popular vote.

However, the 2020 election does not have that disparate finding among the two methods of vote counting. According to the state laws governing electoral votes, Biden will be given more electoral votes than Trump and Biden did also prevail in the popular vote. So, when you say that many Democrats cried foul over the 2016 election, yes, I would agree that they did. However, they didn't go to anywhere near such lengths to overturn the decision of the electoral college. Many just felt that it was unfair that the electoral college took precedence over the popular vote. That's actually happened a couple of times in our political history and it's always started a firestorm of disagreement.

So, I'd say that this 'I' card that you're referring to has been played as an entire deck in this election by Trump and his minions, whereas it was only somewhat played sporadically by the Democrats in the last election. Now, you may not see that as being any different and that's ok. But I just wanted to put on record that there is a difference in reason that we may have heard about this 'I' card in the 2016 election that wouldn't apply in the 2020 election.

Grasping at straws is always a fun exercise in refutation.

God bless,
ted

Tom 1 said:

Many are convinced that the earth is flat, the moon landings were faked, and that cats are smarter than dogs.

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Agreed, except cats are smarter than dogs. We probably have to disagree on that one...

miamited said:

Hi bobber,

Sorry to step in here in the middle of your discussion with tom, but...

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My friend you have a right to respond to any post anytime you want. I don't consider that I'm talking to any one person. Public forum. All welcome.

No one has brought forth any evidence that the count was tainted in that election and as far as I'm aware,

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Is it that there hasn't been evidence brought forth or is it rather you don't consider it such? And are you sure you've even heard the other side of the story seeing there's a media blackout from most of the mainstream media.

So, when you say that many Democrats cried foul over the 2016 election, yes, I would agree that they did. However, they didn't go to anywhere near such lengths to overturn the decision of the electoral college.

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That's simply not true. There was electors pressured into not giving the nod for Trump at the EC.

Many just felt that it was unfair that the electoral college took precedence over the popular vote. That's actually happened a couple of times in our political history and it's always started a firestorm of disagreement.

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Actually I see nothing wrong with parties or persons appealing to Legislatures to not go by the vote. Neither did the Founding Fathers for they made provisions for it to take place if faith in an election was null and void. Yes it'd create a firestorm....such is life though, the Founding Fathers considered it would be a sad thing to do as I would BUT maybe necessary. So if something is necessary it's necessary. What people's emotions are about it mean nothing.