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These scriptures refer to the pre-earth life that you have very little knowledge of, and Christians have not known about since around 533ad when the 2nd council of Constantinople, finally said that the conflict between the doctrine of the pre-existent soul and the doctrine of Creationism (which said that the soul was created by God and was immediately infused into its human body) was settled. Creationism will be our doctrine from here on in, and the doctrine of the pre-existent soul is to be banned. We believe that was in error.



Yes, we will recieve new incorruptible bodies not made up of the rudimens of this corrupted creation. Nonetheless the foundation of our new bodies will be flesh and bone infused with our eternal spirit (which will take the place of blood) which will change our vile bodies that it may be fashoned like unto his glorious body.
What was Jesus's body like? He actually tells us and shows us and had his apostles touch and confirm what he was telling them was the truth. He even went on to eat with them to confirm what he was telling them. Here it is so you can know of the truth, and know that your vile body will be changed into a body just like Jesus's:
Luke 24:36-43 King James Version (KJV)
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

See especialy verse 39 and 43.

This should help anyone know that our vile, mortal, flesh and blood bodies will be changed into perfected resurrected flesh and bone and spirit bodies for the eternities to come.

Hi thanks for the reply .I would be more concerned with the revealed witness of God's knowledge (sola scriptura) And not that of the council of Constantinople, the witness of men called a private interpretation

There was no creation made up of rudiments of this world. .until the working out of the will of God before he said "let there be light".

In that way God who is light and not only is able to create the temporal. With the Sun for day and Moon for night before he introduces himself to the picture. Let there be light... What the eyes see the temporal.

Three thing make up the very essence of God. God is light. God is Spirit God is Love.

God is not a man, a creation as us. Before the foundation of the world he established those and wrote down their names who would be born again from above as the lamb slain from before . . ."Let there by Light" the beginning of creation. And in another book al who he would create with a temporal breath of life .

Day three it would seem he found iniquity in the heart of the father of lies the opposing spirit of error. The glory of the unseen God as the previous light departed and he turned on the switch to the temporal light source called under the Sun day four. The corruption time keeper winding down to the last day .

In the new heaven and earth the Sun and moon the temporal will be under the feet of His bride the church there will be no night .

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

The garden of Eden used to represent the beauty of our unseen God before the fall. The spirit of lies using that beauty to deceive Adam and Eve. His voice the spirit of lies was the source of faith

The beauty of creation, after that beauty that turned into the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and false pride of this life as a result of the fall the unseen spirit of lies put his words on the mouth a beautiful creature seen before God removed its legs.

Saying to mankind you will not surely die . . in effect look at me and live. Who needs to worship a unseen God by faith. Then the glory of God departed

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The unseen spirit of lies(Satan) has no form of his own and neither is able to created it. Again he uses the created things which are corrupted dying. The three avenues spoken of in 1 John 2:16

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
 
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garee says:


These scriptures refer to the pre-earth life that you have very little knowledge of, and Christians have not known about since around 533ad when the 2nd council of Constantinople, finally said that the conflict between the doctrine of the pre-existent soul and the doctrine of Creationism (which said that the soul was created by God and was immediately infused into its human body) was settled. Creationism will be our doctrine from here on in, and the doctrine of the pre-existent soul is to be banned. We believe that was in error.



Yes, we will recieve new incorruptible bodies not made up of the rudimens of this corrupted creation. Nonetheless the foundation of our new bodies will be flesh and bone infused with our eternal spirit (which will take the place of blood) which will change our vile bodies that it may be fashoned like unto his glorious body.
What was Jesus's body like? He actually tells us and shows us and had his apostles touch and confirm what he was telling them was the truth. He even went on to eat with them to confirm what he was telling them. Here it is so you can know of the truth, and know that your vile body will be changed into a body just like Jesus's:
Luke 24:36-43 King James Version (KJV)
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

See especialy verse 39 and 43.

This should help anyone know that our vile, mortal, flesh and blood bodies will be changed into perfected resurrected flesh and bone and spirit bodies for the eternities to come.

I would offer. The life of the flesh (unseen spirit life) is in the blood but not of literal blood without the spirit essence. Blood like water the temporal things seen represent the unseen eternal not seen. The things seen provide no power needed to believe God. They must be mixed with that faith of Christ as it is written .(sola scriptura)

Flesh and blood, or flesh and bone the corrupted will of mankind cannot enter the new order. There will be new elements as rudiments, a different kind of body, incorruptible, neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile . The one chaste virgin bride of Christ the church,.

The earthen body of death of the Son of man Jesus did not change
in effect he said.. . look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a unseen spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

He was not teaching mankind how to walk by sight after the temporal things of this world .The lust of the flesh lust of the eye. . tools for false pride.

After the parable in verse 39 while they yet believed not (No faith) for joy, they wondered not understanding the meaning. Then the unseen Holy Father used food as a metaphor that the disciples knew not of (the will of the father).The daily bread that strengthened Jesus to both will and do the unseen good pleasure of God to give them the understanding of that parable. Parables help us understand the unseen eternal things of God teaching us how to walk by our new faith.

Then in verse 44 he opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures. Hiding the spiritual understanding of the gospel from unconverted mankind .No faith coming from the understanding of God. None. . . not little.
 
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1) In message #70, I wrote "God is personal, has personality."

2) In message #78, I wrote, "Phil.2:6-11 says that Christ was in the "form" of God before the incarnation. What is the "form of God?" If God has a form, this implies corporeality of some sort, doesn't it?"

3) In Heb 1:3, the KJV translation of "hypostasis" into "person" is incorrect.

4) The word "hypostasis" means "reality" or "existence".

5) Some modern translations of Heb 1:3;

NRSV: the exact imprint of God’s very being,

NIV: the exact representation of his being,

NTE: the precise expression of his own very being;

TLV: the imprint of His being,

6) God's "being" or "reality" does not have to do with his body.

7) In message #71, I asked you about the "spirit body." Is it the same as the "spiritual body" with flesh and bone?
The resurrected body has flesh and bone, but not the spirit. The spirit does have a body but it is of much finer matter. We can't see it with our natural eyes.
 
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The resurrected body has flesh and bone, but not the spirit. The spirit does have a body but it is of much finer matter. We can't see it with our natural eyes.

No spirit no life.

As sons of God. Christians, literally meaning without any added meaning "residents of the City of Christ prepared as the chaste virgin bride of Christ" the church

What we will be is not revealed our new incorruptible bodies as the chaste virgin bride of Christ our husband Christ .It will be neither male nor female Jew nor gentile. It will not be made up of the rudiments of this corrupted creation . If it is flesh and bone again they will not be made up of the dust of a temporal creation .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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No spirit no life.

As sons of God. Christians, literally meaning without any added meaning "residents of the City of Christ prepared as the chaste virgin bride of Christ" the church

What we will be is not revealed our new incorruptible bodies as the chaste virgin bride of Christ our husband Christ .It will be neither male nor female Jew nor gentile. It will not be made up of the rudiments of this corrupted creation . If it is flesh and bone again they will not be made up of the dust of a temporal creation .

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
We will have glorified bodies similar to Christ's resurrected body:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:35 - 50)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
 
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We will have glorified bodies similar to Christ's resurrected body:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:35 - 50)

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Christians as sons of God, know one knows what are gloried bodies will be like? We do know what kind . . neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile .

Jesus arose in the same body when he entered the tomb.

All will receive the promise at the same time.Hebrew11:39
 
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Christians as sons of God, know one knows what are gloried bodies will be like? We do know what kind . . neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile .

Jesus arose in the same body when he entered the tomb.

All will receive the promise at the same time.Hebrew11:39

"neither male nor female" Citation needed.
 
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"neither male nor female" Citation needed.

Hi thanks I will offer four verses that I think work together to form the doctrine of God ."The eternal bride the church"

Below in Galatians 3 it establishes the new creature as sons of God as those who know not what they will be ( 1st John 3;1-2)as the chaste virgin bride called . . .renamed by the father in the book of Acts Christians. literally with no other meaning added . .meaning "residents of that city prepared as the one bride". (Revelation 21).Named after her founder as husband Christ.

The chaste virgin bride of Christ the church is signified as the surrogate mother of us all .(Galatians 4) demonstrated by Paul a member of the bride who held out the gospel seed by which all are born again from above until in hope Christ who does the work is formed in the new creature. . Timothy in this case .

Galatians 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Paul as a surrogate mother holding out the gospel seed espousing Timothy as a chaste virgin' bride the church

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

In the new order there will be no marrying or giving in marriage, no procreating, no death. .
 
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Hi thanks I will offer four verses that I think work together to form the doctrine of God ."The eternal bride the church"

Below in Galatians 3 it establishes the new creature as sons of God as those who know not what they will be ( 1st John 3;1-2)as the chaste virgin bride called . . .renamed by the father in the book of Acts Christians. literally with no other meaning added . .meaning "residents of that city prepared as the one bride". (Revelation 21).Named after her founder as husband Christ.

The chaste virgin bride of Christ the church is signified as the surrogate mother of us all .(Galatians 4) demonstrated by Paul a member of the bride who held out the gospel seed by which all are born again from above until in hope Christ who does the work is formed in the new creature. . Timothy in this case .

Galatians 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Paul as a surrogate mother holding out the gospel seed espousing Timothy as a chaste virgin' bride the church

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

In the new order there will be no marrying or giving in marriage, no procreating, no death. .
I think you misunderstand the scriptures:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
 
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Hi thanks for the reply .I would be more concerned with the revealed witness of God's knowledge (sola scriptura) And not that of the council of Constantinople, the witness of men called a private interpretation

There was no creation made up of rudiments of this world. .until the working out of the will of God before he said "let there be light".

In that way God who is light and not only is able to create the temporal. With the Sun for day and Moon for night before he introduces himself to the picture. Let there be light... What the eyes see the temporal.

Three thing make up the very essence of God. God is light. God is Spirit God is Love.

God is not a man, a creation as us. Before the foundation of the world he established those and wrote down their names who would be born again from above as the lamb slain from before . . ."Let there by Light" the beginning of creation. And in another book al who he would create with a temporal breath of life .

Day three it would seem he found iniquity in the heart of the father of lies the opposing spirit of error. The glory of the unseen God as the previous light departed and he turned on the switch to the temporal light source called under the Sun day four. The corruption time keeper winding down to the last day .

In the new heaven and earth the Sun and moon the temporal will be under the feet of His bride the church there will be no night .

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

The garden of Eden used to represent the beauty of our unseen God before the fall. The spirit of lies using that beauty to deceive Adam and Eve. His voice the spirit of lies was the source of faith

The beauty of creation, after that beauty that turned into the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and false pride of this life as a result of the fall the unseen spirit of lies put his words on the mouth a beautiful creature seen before God removed its legs.

Saying to mankind you will not surely die . . in effect look at me and live. Who needs to worship a unseen God by faith. Then the glory of God departed

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The unseen spirit of lies(Satan) has no form of his own and neither is able to created it. Again he uses the created things which are corrupted dying. The three avenues spoken of in 1 John 2:16

Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

As I said the council of Constantinople erred in that it now took away from their members a beautiful doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul. So as you can see I am more concerned with scripture than the council of Constantinople. I only bring it up because that decision 1600 years in the future has kept you from knowing the true doctrine of the scriptures.
 
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As I said the council of Constantinople erred in that it now took away from their members a beautiful doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul.
But this is not the issue. I can believe in pre-existence of the soul without the LDS doctrine that our souls are begotten like the Word / Son of God.
 
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I think you misunderstand the scriptures:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:11)

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

That would seem to be teaching another matter other than what we will be when sons of God the new creature receives her new body. A ceremony using both to represent the new creation .

It does take some work but I think it is well worth it it can help us us to hear the understanding of Christ's faith that works in new creatures.

Now we are male and female . . . Jew and Gentile. Neither male and female, Jew and Gentile is one statement

Now mankind (men and woman) born of woman also referred to as "daughters of men" can multiply. It does not represent sons of God the new creation. Its either born of men earthly. or born of God, heavenly

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Those born again as sons of God are as signified by Timothy the chaste virgin bride espoused to Christ our husband. In that way what we will be includes the whole church.

She, male and female now is signified as the chaste virgin bride of Christ as those who did not fornicate with other gods of the world called "strange woman". Believers obeying the first commandment.

Proverbs as parables using the signified tongue of God uses the term "strange woman" over and over to represent the lies of the father of lies.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

In that way the bride of Christ the church is not defiled with women meaning born form among men, as a new creature born from above as sons of God .

Below it is not dividing man from woman. But different kinds of creations . Men and woman are said to be redeemed among men. Its not men are the first fruits, but mankind, both are born again as the bride of Christ

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Today the father of lies would make it all one as if we had already received our new bodies .Its where the LGBTQ gets its power to deceive the nations.

Gnosticism, extra knowledge not coming from the scriptures.
 
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As I said the council of Constantinople erred in that it now took away from their members a beautiful doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul. So as you can see I am more concerned with scripture than the council of Constantinople. I only bring it up because that decision 1600 years in the future has kept you from knowing the true doctrine of the scriptures.

True doctrine or the doctrine of our one Holy Father is inspired from heaven as it is written falling like rain and bound on earth as law not subject to change, Some would turn that upside downs and say inspired from earth bound in heaven taking away the understanding of the Potter..

We do not know Christ after the councils of men .One is our Holy Father, the Holy See in heaven. He alone is our infallible good teaching master as Lord of lords and King of kings .What is given as a oral tradition or private interpretation could be true . . if it rings true according to all things written in the law and the prophets. (sola scriptura).

I would question the idea of what makes up or defines what is called pre-existence of the soul???
 
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