This is freaking me out .

Brightmoon said:

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I’m ambivalent about the death penalty. It seems barbaric on one hand and I understand some people are too dangerous to even keep in jail on the other hand. . Saying that, I’m still leaning on the it’s-barbaric side , so I think the approval of more abusive and painful ways of executing people is closet sadism

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Also: Executions are not 'pro-life'. They are playing god in a way, and are ultimately un-Christian. For example, the Catholic church opposes the death penalty. One good reason to oppose all executions is that often innocents are convicted. And it takes years or decades for their innocence to be discovered.

ximmix said:

Ok. You justify the death penalty with "well they are propably going to die anyway because they are so irresponsible". Nice.

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Just look at the causes of unjust, untimely, or preventable deaths. We should spend more energy addressing these. Killed by the state although innocent is way down on the list.

Psalms 82 is intended and directed to Judges.

That they not coddle the rich and oppress the poor.

How many rich and wealthy are on death row or have been?

I do not know.

loveofourlord said:

here is the problem with ameican justice, it's not about punishment, or rehabilitation or improvement, it's about revenge. You hurt us so we will hurt you. That doesn't make a better society, nor does it help with resitivitsm rates. Most people don't think about, "Oh no I kill this guy I'm going to be executed." it's in the heat of the moment. remove the reasons why people kill like poverty and such and you can reduce them.

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To paraphrase the (late) preacher Adrian Rogers,

"Man isn't a murderer because he kills. He kills because he is a murderer."

Brightmoon said:

Well these guys aren’t innocent . And I’ve always had issues with a person was wasn’t the actual trigger man getting executed ( I consider a person who hires a hit man to be the trigger man ) . My issues are with the idiot who decides to “ride or die” with that person, being executed sometimes instead of the trigger man !

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If the associates of murderers get executed, I think there'd be a great reduction of fellow travellers going along with murderers for the ride.

OldWiseGuy said:

Just look at the causes of unjust, untimely, or preventable deaths. We should spend more energy addressing these. Killed by the state although innocent is way down on the list.

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It's not an either-or thing.

Brightmoon said:

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I’m ambivalent about the death penalty. It seems barbaric on one hand and I understand some people are too dangerous to even keep in jail on the other hand. . Saying that, I’m still leaning on the it’s-barbaric side , so I think the approval of more abusive and painful ways of executing people is closet sadism

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Damn that must make God barbaric being for requiring people to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on Sabbath.

UnpopularOpinion said:

Damn that must make God barbaric being for requiring people to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on Sabbath.

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An ancient law for ancient Israel, like others cited here.

OldWiseGuy said:

Just look at the causes of unjust, untimely, or preventable deaths. We should spend more energy addressing these. Killed by the state although innocent is way down on the list.

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"Killed by the state" is preventable.

Francis Drake said:

If the associates of murderers get executed, I think there'd be a great reduction of fellow travellers going along with murderers for the ride.

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Bit like Israeli - in lesser degree - when they demolish “terrorists” relatives houses while wondering why Hamas has no trouble getting new recruits.

Would you really be ok for getting executed when your kid mentioned in anger about bombing the stupid parliament and you thought he was having a bad day instead of being serious and not reporting him then seeing your life crumble in evening news.

Or is this association thing that just always naturally falls to bad people in theory at least ?

Jonathan Walkerin said:

Bit like Israeli - in lesser degree - when they demolish “terrorists” relatives houses while wondering why Hamas has no trouble getting new recruits.

Would you really be ok for getting executed when your kid mentioned in anger about bombing the stupid parliament and you thought he was having a bad day instead of being serious and not reporting him then seeing your life crumble in evening news.

Or is this association thing that just always naturally falls to bad people in theory at least ?

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This idiotic comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

Francis Drake said:

If the associates of murderers get executed, I think there'd be a great reduction of fellow travellers going along with murderers for the ride.

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Ah yes the old Biblical philosophy of "spare no one"...

bèlla said:

You couldn’t change Dahmer. He’d gone too far. He’s sick. You can’t fix that.

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Doesn't the report that Dahmer converted argue against that ?

ximmix said:

Here in Sweden most consider the death penalty barbaric and are horrified to hear that we did it into the 1900s (1910). I don't like the eye for an eye punishment, and since not any justice system is foolproof, it's easier to reverse a prison sentence than a death.

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I hear much too often of innocent prisoners being released after serving decades of their life ...

OldWiseGuy said:

And I'm sure the victim's loved ones don't suffer any angst over the death of the killer (public statements to the contrary notwithstanding).

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Why do you discount the viewpoint of victims ?

pitabread said:

You might feel otherwise if you were the one being falsely convicted.

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I'd have to develop a lot more faith in the ability of government to correctly judge the guilt of the accused in an unbiased way ... before supporting capital punishment in the US ...

Francis Drake said:

This idiotic comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

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You spoke of associates of murderers getting executed meaning those who didn’t actually commit the murder.

So what kind of “association” is worthy of death penalty ?

It is a slippery slope, even more so than convicted murderers getting a death sentence.

Sure, it might stiffen some spines and make people expose their family members and whatnot but that kind of thing is usually the tool of dictatorships not Western Democracies.

Well, we always have a percentage of people who secretly crave for their law enforcement machinery to handle out death sentences like they were going out of fashion tomorrow.

Not like they being law abiding and upstanding citizens would ever get caught up in consequences of those sordid actions.

FIRST THEY CAME By Martin Niemöller

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.

Semper-Fi said:

The pages in the bible.

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There is one New Covenant passage where Paul teaches that God gives governments the right to execute wrong-doers, ... but even that passage does not suggest that it is the best approach to crime.

The Old Testament Law passages (i.e. eye for an eye) ... are too steeped in a demonstrated approach to sin that even God Himself abandoned in favor of grace ...