JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

SwordmanJr · Nov 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
In this post you bring up 1 John 2:26-27 which I also love and agree with.

Isn't the Lord wonderful? Rather than to leave us only with a book, but seeking relationship with us, there is no greater love.

God being our teacher through his Spirit is also a part of God's new covenant promise as shown in Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36. That said what you did not mention is that God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him *Acts of the Apostles 5:32 and those who say they know God while knowingly breaking God's commandments are lying and do not know him *1 John 2:3-4.

(sigh) This is where things get VERY long winded. Ok, let's start with one of the disembodied verses you referenced, and explore it's REAL meaning AND the scope of its coverage, for it clearly does not refer only to the Law of Moses, nor does it even hint at obedience to it:

[Heb 8:7-12] 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

There are a number of implications in this section alone. Nowhere can anyone honestly glean from it that Gentiles and Jews are to return to the Law of Moses, which this section clearly claimed was faulty. I'm fairly certain you will not have a problem with that statement, as it is clearly spoken in verse 7. If you take issue with that, then we don't have a common basis for discussion, because any interpretation apart from what is actually said leads to subjectivism. I say that mostly for the benefit of those who read but not comment.

If we gauge from that text in its entirety what is being said, that which is superior to the former has come to us all on this side of the cross. Isn't it wonderful that the Law Giver writes in our hearts, NOT what has fault, but what is without fault.

So, then, the question then becomes, WHAT does the Lord write within us if not the letter that kills from the Law of Moses given within that first covenant? Matt. 5 gives tremendous insight into some of what the Lord writes within us. Time after time, Jesus addresses what is written, and then says, "BUT I SAY..." He is the Lord who inspired the writing of the former, and He stated the latter in contrast for the former.

Now, this alone should suffice in knocking anyone off the high horse of legalism, but there are those out there who will persist, demanding adherence to the Law of Moses for all Gentiles and Jews alike. To that I would have to ask "WHY?"

You stated "obedience." I absolutely agree. Obedience is a sweet savor unto the Throne of God. Given that we are commanded to walk by the Spirit (notice the capital "S"):

[Rom 8:1, 4] 1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ... 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[Gal 5:16, 25] 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ... 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

The righteousness of the Law written in our hearts is fulfilled by...what? Walking by the Spirit. Spiritual lives attuned to the Spirit of the Lord and not subject to the flesh are imputed His Righteousness, not infused by way of dead rituals and sacraments, but IMPUTED, which is a pouring out in totality, not drop by drop through decades of dead, works based rituals in some cult.

At no time has the Lord written within my heart, nor in any other heart of those who understand this text for what it says (as they have testified within my hearing), adherence to the feasts, diet, observances, or anything else that are rudiments of the Law of Moses not at all binding upon us on this side of the cross. Yes, there are elements from within the Law of Moses written in our hearts, such as do not murder, do not place any other gods before the One, true God, do not commit adultery, etc. Certainly, yes. Fault in the first covenant specifically addressed to a specific nation, at a specific time, under a specific covenant handed down to a stiff necked people, that does not speak of its total application to all others.

I just want to make sure nobody out there traipses off into the realm of absurdity by assuming into my words meaning that's simply not there by way of intent nor inflection.

Alas, my typing time is at an end, for the garage calleth...for straightening and cleaning...and is using the voice of my wife for remembrance...

Jr

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Isn't the Lord wonderful? Rather than to leave us only with a book, but seeking relationship with us, there is no greater love.

(sigh) This is where things get VERY long winded. Ok, let's start with one of the disembodied verses you referenced, and explore it's REAL meaning AND the scope of its coverage, for it clearly does not refer only to the Law of Moses, nor does it even hint at obedience to it:

[Heb 8:7-12] 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

There are a number of implications in this section alone. Nowhere can anyone honestly glean from it that Gentiles and Jews are to return to the Law of Moses, which this section clearly claimed was faulty. I'm fairly certain you will not have a problem with that statement, as it is clearly spoken in verse 7. If you take issue with that, then we don't have a common basis for discussion, because any interpretation apart from what is actually said leads to subjectivism. I say that mostly for the benefit of those who read but not comment. If we gauge from that text in its entirety what is being said, that which is superior to the former has come to us all on this side of the cross. Isn't it wonderful that the Law Giver writes in our hearts, NOT what has fault, but what is without fault.

Where was the fault found to be in the first covenant? Verse 8 tells us.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The fault was found in them. How so? Verse 9 tells us.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

They continued not in my covenant. How so? Heb 3 which is the same letter tells us.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Their hearts were hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, so they never entered into the promised rest. They broke the covenant through the fault found in them, sin.

What was God's solution for this hard heart that we are ourselves cause? Heb. 8 10 tells us that.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So now the question is what laws?

Heb 8:10 is a quote of Jer 31:33.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Hebrew word for Law here at the very least was understood to be the Decalogue, which is the Ten commandments. On the broader side of things it is understood to mean the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible.

Ancient of Days · Nov 28, 2020

"This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day."

Why not make every moment of every day holy...

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

stuart lawrence said:
Do I not believe the OT scriptures are for Christians?
Depends which ones.
Paul for instance tells us ALL food is clean. So that law is not binding on Christians is it

Where does Paul say that?

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

Ancient of Days said:
"This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day."

Why not make every moment of every day holy...

God sanctified the Seventh Day and hallowed it. We are to Rest on the Seventh Day because HE did. We are to keep are actions holy in and through Christ every day as you say, but in particular the Seventh Day because God sanctified it, set it apart for holy use because HE rested on it.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exod 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exod 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

Ancient of Days said:
"This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day."

Why not make every moment of every day holy...

We would get no work done as God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is a Holy day of rest (Exodus 20:8-11)

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
We would get no work done as God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is a Holy day of rest (Exodus 20:8-11)

They did not say anything about not working.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

HIM said:
They did not say anything about not working.

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. [9], SIX DAYS THOU SHALT LABOR AND DO ALL THY WORK: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: IN IT THOU SHALT NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

LGW wrote: In this post you bring up 1 John 2:26-27 which I also love and agree with. God being our teacher through his Spirit is also a part of God's new covenant promise as shown in Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36. That said what you did not mention is that God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him *Acts of the Apostles 5:32 and those who say they know God while knowingly breaking God's commandments are lying and do not know him *1 John 2:3-4.

In your post here you bring up ACTS 15 as your point of scripture so lets discuss it. How is ACTS 15 relevant to our conversation? The Mosaic law of "CIRCUMCISION" is not a requirement for salvation and "CIRCUMCISION" is not one of Gods 10 commandments is it? You do know that the topic of conversation of ACTS 15 is over the question "Is the Mosiac law of circumcision a requirement for salvation" right and this was the question that was being discussed at Jerusalem right that Paul and Barnabas went to discuss with the other Apostles right? *Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. As a result of the Jerusalem decision and sometime latter we see Paul talking to the Corinthians stating "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), but the keeping of the commandments of God. *1 Corinthians 7:19. So nope I do not think Acts 15 is going to help you much here dear friend.

The rest of your post is only your words and accusations again, unsupported by scripture arguing against the scriptures from the OP that you are not able to prove so do not really need any comment from me as I am sure all agree only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and you have not provided any that support your claims against the scriptures in the OP which are God's Word not my words. All you have provided here are your words that are not God's Word so your argument therefore is with God not me. Now how does anything you have posted here or elsewhere prove the scriptures provided in the OP are not true? - It doesn't. Something to pray about.

Your response here...

SwordmanJr said:
Isn't the Lord wonderful? Rather than to leave us only with a book, but seeking relationship with us, there is no greater love.

(sigh) This is where things get VERY long winded. Ok, let's start with one of the disembodied verses you referenced, and explore it's REAL meaning AND the scope of its coverage, for it clearly does not refer only to the Law of Moses, nor does it even hint at obedience to it:

[Heb 8:7-12] 7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

There are a number of implications in this section alone. Nowhere can anyone honestly glean from it that Gentiles and Jews are to return to the Law of Moses, which this section clearly claimed was faulty. I'm fairly certain you will not have a problem with that statement, as it is clearly spoken in verse 7. If you take issue with that, then we don't have a common basis for discussion, because any interpretation apart from what is actually said leads to subjectivism. I say that mostly for the benefit of those who read but not comment.

If we gauge from that text in its entirety what is being said, that which is superior to the former has come to us all on this side of the cross. Isn't it wonderful that the Law Giver writes in our hearts, NOT what has fault, but what is without fault.

So, then, the question then becomes, WHAT does the Lord write within us if not the letter that kills from the Law of Moses given within that first covenant? Matt. 5 gives tremendous insight into some of what the Lord writes within us. Time after time, Jesus addresses what is written, and then says, "BUT I SAY..." He is the Lord who inspired the writing of the former, and He stated the latter in contrast for the former.

Now, this alone should suffice in knocking anyone off the high horse of legalism, but there are those out there who will persist, demanding adherence to the Law of Moses for all Gentiles and Jews alike. To that I would have to ask "WHY?"

You stated "obedience." I absolutely agree. Obedience is a sweet savor unto the Throne of God. Given that we are commanded to walk by the Spirit (notice the capital "S"):

[Rom 8:1, 4] 1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ... 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[Gal 5:16, 25] 16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. ... 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

The righteousness of the Law written in our hearts is fulfilled by...what? Walking by the Spirit. Spiritual lives attuned to the Spirit of the Lord and not subject to the flesh are imputed His Righteousness, not infused by way of dead rituals and sacraments, but IMPUTED, which is a pouring out in totality, not drop by drop through decades of dead, works based rituals in some cult.

At no time has the Lord written within my heart, nor in any other heart of those who understand this text for what it says (as they have testified within my hearing), adherence to the feasts, diet, observances, or anything else that are rudiments of the Law of Moses not at all binding upon us on this side of the cross. Yes, there are elements from within the Law of Moses written in our hearts, such as do not murder, do not place any other gods before the One, true God, do not commit adultery, etc. Certainly, yes. Fault in the first covenant specifically addressed to a specific nation, at a specific time, under a specific covenant handed down to a stiff necked people, that does not speak of its total application to all others.

I just want to make sure nobody out there traipses off into the realm of absurdity by assuming into my words meaning that's simply not there by way of intent nor inflection.

Alas, my typing time is at an end, for the garage calleth...for straightening and cleaning...and is using the voice of my wife for remembrance...

Jr

I am sorry dear friend I have no idea how this post relates to what you are quoting from. Did you want to explain yourself a little further in relation to what you are quoting from. Where was I discussing the covenants of Hebrews 8? You do know what the old covenant is right and why we no longer do animal sacrifices? Where in Hebrews 8 does it teach God's law is abolished when it says it is written now on the heart through love *Romans 13:8-10 in those who have been born again *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9 into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 and are now free to follow Jesus in the Spirit *Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16 because they love him *John 14:15?

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY. [9], SIX DAYS THOU SHALT LABOR AND DO ALL THY WORK: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: IN IT THOU SHALT NOT DO ANY WORK, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT

The person you quoted did not mention resting, only keeping all days holy.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

HIM said:
The person you quoted did not mention resting, only keeping all days holy.

According to God's 4th commandment as posted earlier we do not keep God's seventh day Sabbath Holy by working on it. That is breaking God's 4th commandment and not keeping it Holy. You cannot make every day a holy day because we would get no work done and would not be able to provide a living.

HIM · Nov 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
According to God's 4th commandment as posted earlier we do not keep God's seventh day Sabbath Holy by working on it. That is breaking God's 4th commandment and not keeping it Holy. You cannot make every day a holy day as you would get no work done.

We can't make a holy day only God can. But we can keep a day holy in our actions through Christ.
God said rest on the Seventh Day and keep it holy. WE CAN keep the other six holy without the cessation from work but that does not make them the Sabbath of the Decalogue or the other six days Holy days.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

HIM said:
We can't make a holy day only God can. But we can keep a day holy in our actions through Christ.
God said rest on the Seventh Day and keep it holy. WE CAN keep the other six holy without the cessation from work but that does not make them the Sabbath of the Decalogue or the other six days Holy days.

No one said we can make a Holy day. Do you think we keep the Sabbath Holy by working on it when God has told us we keep it Holy by doing no work on it and resting? No one keeps God's 4th commandment Holy by working on it according to the scriptures. This is breaking God's 4th commandment and not keeping the day Holy as God requests according to Exodus 20:8-11. Maybe you missed the point that I was trying to make.

klutedavid · Nov 28, 2020

HARK! said:
Hallelu Yah!

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

(CLV) Mt 24:35
Heaven and earth shall be passing by, yet My words may by no means be passing by.

Yes, amen.

If just one letter passes then the entire law has passed.

If physical circumcision is no longer valid, then a letter of the law has passed. Therefore the law has passed.

Give me an amen on that!

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

klutedavid said:
Yes, amen.

If just one letter passes then the entire law has passed.

If physical circumcision is no longer valid, then a letter of the law has passed. Therefore the law has passed.

Give me an amen on that!

Actually the scripture says no such thing. Your teaching lawlessness (without law) here and this is something Jesus, the Apostles and bible never taught and mixing up the Mosaic "shadow laws" with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

HARK! · Nov 28, 2020

klutedavid said:
Yes, amen.

If just one letter passes then the entire law has passed.

If physical circumcision is no longer valid, then a letter of the law has passed. Therefore the law has passed.

Give me an amen on that!

Before you rile all of the Godless, drunken, lying, thieving, murdering, adulterous, homosexuals into a celebratory, lawless, chaotic frenzy; you might want to consider that Yahshua said that one jot hasn't passed from the law. Therefore, no matter from what perspective you look at it, no matter how you slice it, no matter how much you analyze it, no matter how you boil it down, twist it, or close your eyes to it; the axiom remains.

The logic behind your supposition is fallacious.

SwordmanJr · Nov 28, 2020

HIM said:
Where was the fault found to be in the first covenant? Verse 8 tells us.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The fault was found in them. How so? Verse 9 tells us.

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Have you asked the Lord this question? I mean, there are the things the Spirit speaks to my heart, but what does Holy Spirit say to you about the faults of the Law of Moses? I do not presume to speak in the place of the Lord what will settle this in your heart. What the Lord has shown to me may not be what brings you to that place of understanding, giving to you the depths you seek.

What was God's solution for this hard heart that we are ourselves cause? Heb. 8 10 tells us that.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So now the question is what laws?

Precisely. NOW you're asking the right question. Good for you, my friend. I wish more people would think to ask that question. What the Lord writes in each heart is exactly what each one needs. That is the perfection of a Holy and Righteous Lord.

Heb 8:10 is a quote of Jer 31:33.

Yes. That is correct, and it's a wonderful revelation of the wondrous workings of the Lord.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Good quote. More people need to see this.

The Hebrew word for Law here at the very least was understood to be the Decalogue, which is the Ten commandments. On the broader side of things it is understood to mean the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible.

Well, Acts 15 seems to set it all straight for those who care to read it for what it says in relation to us Gentiles, and leave all else by the wayside of assumptions the contrary.

Jr

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
Well, Acts 15 seems to set it all straight for those who care to read it for what it says in relation to us Gentiles, and leave all else by the wayside of assumptions the contrary. Jr

In your post here you bring up ACTS 15 as your sticking point of scripture so lets discuss it. The purpose of Acts 15 was never about God's 10 commandments being a requirement for Christian living. It was always about settling the question is the Mosaic law of "CIRCUMCISION" a requirement for salvation or not a requirement for salvation. "CIRCUMCISION" is not one of Gods 10 commandments and never has been. The whole topic of conversation of ACTS 15 is over the question "Is the Mosiac law of circumcision a requirement for salvation for new gentile Christians". This was the question that was being discussed at Jerusalem that Paul and Barnabas went to discuss with the other Apostles. This is the context of the whole chapter...

Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 [1], And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brothers, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES, YOU CANNOT BE SAVED. [2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS, AND CERTAIN OTHER OF THEM, SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM TO THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

As a result of the Jerusalem decision and sometime latter we see Paul talking to the Corinthians stating "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), but the keeping of the commandments of God. *1 Corinthians 7:19. So nope I do not think Acts 15 is going to help you much here dear friend.

As a result of the Jerusalem decision and sometime latter we see Paul talking to the Corinthians stating "CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. *1 Corinthians 7:19.

As you can see above giving the interpretation that ACTS 15 is about the 10 commandments like many try to makes Paul contradict himself not to mention the scriptures from all the old and new testament, the writing of JESUS and the Apostles (more scriptures here).

Acts 15 has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath or not. In fact they were to continue to learn the Word of God every Sabbath...

Acts 15:21 [21], FOR MOSES OF OLD TIME HAS IN EVERY CITY THEM THAT PREACH HIM, BEING READ IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH DAY.

There is no scripture anywhere in the bible that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and traditions of men that has lead many to either unknowingly or knowingly break God's 10 commandments.

Hope this is helpful.

SwordmanJr · Nov 28, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response here...

I am sorry dear friend I have no idea how this post relates to what you are quoting from. Did you want to explain yourself a little further in relation to what you are quoting from. Where was I discussing the covenants of Hebrews 8? You do know what the old covenant is right and why we no longer do animal sacrifices? Where in Hebrews 8 does it teach God's law is abolished when it says it is written now on the heart through love *Romans 13:8-10 in those who have been born again *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9 into God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 and are now free to follow Jesus in the Spirit *Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16 because they love him *John 14:15?

It was my impression from your OP that you were in favor of adherence to the Law of Moses...excepting the sacrifices. Is that your position, or do you have a different take on it all?

Jr

LoveGodsWord · Nov 28, 2020

SwordmanJr said:
It was my impression from your OP that you were in favor of adherence to the Law of Moses...excepting the sacrifices. Is that your position, or do you have a different take on it all?

Jr

Depends on what you mean by adherence to the law?

Here let me explain to you exactly what I means so there is no misunderstandings. We are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

According to God's new covenant promise, unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7 because those who have been born again and given a new heart to love do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. This is why JESUS says "If you love me keep my commandments *John 14:15 and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:46-40. God's salvation is from sin (breaking God's commandments and not believing God's Word - 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23) if we continue believing and following God's Word *John 8:31-36 so that we can be free to walk in God's Spirit *Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16.

Hope this helps clear up any misunderstanding you may have. No one I know here believes we are saved by keeping God's law. We keep God's law because we have been made free to walk in God's Spirit to love.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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