JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
Please, please show us what law John was referring.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Please show us what commandments John was referring.

Romans 7:7
What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
Very true. What about the commandment of loving God and our fellow man. Where is that found? What about the Commandment that a man cannot cut his sideburns? You are trying to make it seem like the writer is referring to the ten commandments when that is not possible from the text.

Luke 16:17
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
WOW! you used that verse to try to prove that the writer was referring to the ten commandments? That verse meant the 613 laws of the covenant the Israelites were under. Are you sure that that is really what you want to impress us with?

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Yes, yes and yes. Love is the great theme of the New Covenant. Jesus said He kept the laws of the Mosaic covenant and asks us to keep His NEW commandment to love others as He loves us. Jn15 Coveting would not be loving others as Jesus loves us now would it.

Obviously referring back to the 10 commandments.
Obviously you are mistaken.

Some of my favorite verses is from Jn 15: 9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love. 10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. 11 I have told you these things so that you will be filled with my joy. Yes, your joy will overflow! 12 This is my commandment: Love each other in the same way I have loved you. 13 There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

When we live up to Jesus' command we know we are living the life He has inspired us to live.
19 Our actions will show that we belong to the truth, so we will be confident when we stand before God. 20 Even if we feel guilty, God is greater than our feelings, and he knows everything.

21 Dear friends, if we don’t feel guilty, we can come to God with bold confidence. 22 And we will receive from him whatever we ask because we obey him and do the things that please him.

23 And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey God’s commandments remain in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Spirit he gave us lives in us.
 
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Absolutely, then what excuse does anyone have in breaking God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken?
We are lawbreakers and that is why Jesus died for us. The law only grants the knowledge of sin and the law cannot save anyone.

No matter how hard you try to obey the law, both in thought and deed. You will find yourself continuously breaking the law. Anyone who does not admit to this is a liar and there is no truth in them.

Jesus said not one letter will pass from the law until all is fulfilled. That means the entire law and the prophets is in force until all is fulfilled.

Which means if just one sacrificial law has passed then the fourth commandment has passed.
 
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The law grants the knowledge of sin and that is why it was given to us. Gazing at the law is looking in the mirror. Now you see who you really are, a sinner in need of redemption.

Now turn around and accept the messiah as you have no where else to go.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and that's all, i.e, condemnation.

It sure does! Sin is the transgression of the law. What makes you think I don't accept Yeshua?
 
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Which means if just one sacrificial law has passed then the fourth commandment has passed.

Did the law pass away when the 1st Temple was destroyed???
 
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None of what you said mentions worldliness. How would anyone who knows the Torah know anything about worldliness. Or for that matter, the love of money.

Where in the Torah is the admonition against worldliness and the love of money?

The poor is disliked even by his neighbor, but the rich have many friends. Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.

Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.

He who trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous shall flourish as the green leaf.

A greedy man stirs up strife, but the one who trusts in the Lord will be enriched.

For the wicked boasts of the desires of his soul, and the one greedy for gain curses and renounces the Lord.

Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

A faithful man will abound with blessings, but whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished.

Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty. Incline your ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply your heart to my knowledge.
 
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But you are wrong. You are deeply mistaken about the law and Jesus Christ.

There is a profound difference between not stealing because you love others. And not stealing simply because the law says not to steal.

Can you see the difference. The law against stealing grants you the knowledge that you are a thief. Though, the law cannot change your inherent nature.

Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and only through loving others, will your desire to steal diminish. One is walking by the Holy Spirit and the other is an act of the will.

That's the point ... the 10 ARE laws of love ... when kept perfectly (such as Jesus) did they produce true love. The work of the Holy Spirit is to make us aware of the law and to help us turn away from it. Our sin nature (sin debt) was paid by Christ .... but that does not mean we ignore the law. We will mess up here and there ... won't be perfect until He returns and we are changed.

Romans 3:31

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Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
 
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But you are wrong. You are deeply mistaken about the law and Jesus Christ.

There is a profound difference between not stealing because you love others. And not stealing simply because the law says not to steal.

Can you see the difference. The law against stealing grants you the knowledge that you are a thief. Though, the law cannot change your inherent nature.

Love is a gift of the Holy Spirit and only through loving others, will your desire to steal diminish. One is walking by the Holy Spirit and the other is an act of the will.

Christ is our example in all things .... we are to follow in His steps.

Can you see the difference?

1 John 2:6

the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Through the Holy Spirt he helps us keep the law ... it is His work ... not ours. We are not to quench the Spirit.

About love ...

John 14:15 Cross References (19 Verses)
 
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WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW


I hope you don't mind my skipping past all those verses ripped out of their contexts. I will go right to your conclusion.

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10).

This sounds pretty good on the surface. After all, Jesus pointed at loving God with one's all, and loving neighbors as self, and that ALL the Law and prophets hang upon those two.

If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

THEN you go back into the "keeping" of legal demands of the Law of Moses. Which is it? Is it Spirit, or is it works of the Law.

You know, when a contract is "fulfilled," it is no longer binding, especially when there is a succeeding, SUPERIOR contract, which, in this case, is the New Covenant. The Law the Law Giver writes within us is superior to the letter, which kills. The letter is fulfilled, not passed away, for the letter continues to stand as the indictment against the unbelievers who will be judged in that last day by the letter of the Law that will send them to their second death in that lake of fire. It stands as THEIR accuser, not ours who are in Christ Jesus.

So, when legalists come along, thinking they're qualified to harangue and point their fingers of accusation against all others who don't keep the Sabbat, feasts, diet and all other things of the "letter," they only heap coals upon their own, legalistic and judgmental heads. The legalists stand at the side of the enemy of our souls, accusing of sin as does he and all other Judaisers. The council of Apostles in Jerusalem has already issued their edict against ALL Judaiers across all ages, even unto this one.

Judaisers harangue much about how biblicists aren't keeping the Law of Moses, just as they did in Paul's time, and they continue to this day to soundly ignore the council from Peter and James in Acts 15. They LOVE adding to that text and its context, the things that seem to back their case in the minds of the ignorant. It's a classic practice of eisegetical injections to try and force the text to say what it doesn't even hint at.

Folks, don't fall into their deadly traps. Stay in the life boat of the Bible and Holy Spirit (1 John 2:27). Jumping in with the sharks and piranhas will only get you eaten alive, with you ending up as nothing more than a pile of dead men's bones within a white-washed sepulcher....as they are.

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Quite true. The SDA folks here take great pride in their efforts to keep the Ten Commandments, but no others. They are hypocrites according to the standard definition of that word.
I see so JESUS says; IF you love me keep my commandments *John 14:15, but you say no! Those who love JESUS do so out of pride and are hypocrites? What does Romans 2:1-11 mean to you dear friend who claims to read the heart that has been changed to love in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12? Do we now love JESUS by breaking his commandments? How do you read 1 John 2:3-4?
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Absolutely, then what excuse does anyone have in breaking God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken? Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - There is none. This is a teaching and tradition of men that has led many to break God's commandments and JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. Time for us to leave BABYLON. God is calling us to return to His Word. Gods' sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow Him. Gods is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. The hour has come and now is that the true worshipers will leave BABYLON and worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
Your response here...
So, according to you it is just okey-dokey to commit sodomy, incest, and/or inappropriate behavior with animals as long as you engage in religious activities on Saturdays. Nice!!!
And how did you come up with that interpretation after reading the post you are responding to above? Is this the same method you use for studying the scriptures? I guess this is a good example of why there are so many Christian religions in the world today.
 
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Very good. How about worldliness, worldly desires?

Titus 2:12
Instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and in a godly manner in the present age

Jude 1:19
These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Truly I say unto you unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of Heaven. Those who are born again do not practice sin. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world. Do you know these scriptures David if so what do they mean to you?
 
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Some SDA wrote "According to the Gods' Word, JESUS did not fulfill the law so that we are now free to break it." Jesus is God and God stated that He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. Does the SDA that wrote such a thing know what he/she actually wrote. God came to fulfill, but he didn't keep His word, OY!
Where is it in written in Gods' Word Bob that JESUS came to fulfill the law so that we are now free to break the law?
 
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I hope you don't mind my skipping past all those verses ripped out of their contexts. I will go right to your conclusion.



This sounds pretty good on the surface. After all, Jesus pointed at loving God with one's all, and loving neighbors as self, and that ALL the Law and prophets hang upon those two.



THEN you go back into the "keeping" of legal demands of the Law of Moses. Which is it? Is it Spirit, or is it works of the Law.

You know, when a contract is "fulfilled," it is no longer binding, especially when there is a succeeding, SUPERIOR contract, which, in this case, is the New Covenant. The Law the Law Giver writes within us is superior to the letter, which kills. The letter is fulfilled, not passed away, for the letter continues to stand as the indictment against the unbelievers who will be judged in that last day by the letter of the Law that will send them to their second death in that lake of fire. It stands as THEIR accuser, not ours who are in Christ Jesus.

So, when legalists come along, thinking they're qualified to harangue and point their fingers of accusation against all others who don't keep the Sabbat, feasts, diet and all other things of the "letter," they only heap coals upon their own, legalistic and judgmental heads. The legalists stand at the side of the enemy of our souls, accusing of sin as does he and all other Judaisers. The council of Apostles in Jerusalem has already issued their edict against ALL Judaiers across all ages, even unto this one.

Judaisers harangue much about how biblicists aren't keeping the Law of Moses, just as they did in Paul's time, and they continue to this day to soundly ignore the council from Peter and James in Acts 15. They LOVE adding to that text and its context, the things that seem to back their case in the minds of the ignorant. It's a classic practice of eisegetical injections to try and force the text to say what it doesn't even hint at.

Folks, don't fall into their deadly traps. Stay in the life boat of the Bible and Holy Spirit (1 John 2:27). Jumping in with the sharks and piranhas will only get you eaten alive, with you ending up as nothing more than a pile of dead men's bones within a white-washed sepulcher....as they are.

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I see. So which verses according to you dear friend were ripped out of context from the OP and do not show JESUS and the Apostles teaching and obeying God's law and keeping the Sabbath which is a part of Gods' 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4? Are you saying JESUS was a sinner and the Apostles were lawless and their practice was to break Gods' commandments? There are many words in your post here, but I do not see much scripture to support them. Happy to discuss this further with you in friendly discussion with Gods' Word if your prayerfully interested? If not of course we will have to agree to disagree because for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about following man-made traditions and teachings that break God's commandments in Matthew 15:3-9. BABYLON has fallen. God is calling all those who have ears to hear back to His Word *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-5.
 
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The poor is disliked even by his neighbor, but the rich have many friends. Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.

Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.

He who trusts in his riches will fall, but the righteous shall flourish as the green leaf.

A greedy man stirs up strife, but the one who trusts in the Lord will be enriched.

For the wicked boasts of the desires of his soul, and the one greedy for gain curses and renounces the Lord.

Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

A faithful man will abound with blessings, but whoever hastens to be rich will not go unpunished.

Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty. Incline your ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply your heart to my knowledge.
Well written. But where in the law is gaining wealth and worldliness warned against?
 
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Well written. But where in the law is gaining wealth and worldliness warned against?
Thou shalt not covet. Exodus 20:17, you could possibly add the first two commandments about having or making other Gods and idols and bowing down and worshiping them in Exodus 20:3-5. There is nothing wrong with wealth. It is a gift of God to be used for his service. It becomes wrong when we put it before God and it is worshiped in place of God. The rich young ruler comes to mind here, where he would not give up his wealth in order to follow JESUS.
 
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Jesus said not one letter will pass from the law until all is fulfilled. That means the entire law and the prophets is in force until all is fulfilled.

Hallelu Yah!

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

(CLV) Mt 24:35
Heaven and earth shall be passing by, yet My words may by no means be passing by.
 
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I see. So which verses according to you dear friend were ripped out of context from the OP and do not show JESUS and the Apostles teaching and obeying God's law and keeping the Sabbath which is a part of Gods' 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4?

When those verses are presented as stand-alone verses, without any coupling to contextual and exegetical meaning, then it's far too easy to present them all as allegedly referring to a continuance for, and transfer of, adherence to the Law of Moses by even the Gentile believers. Every one of those were presented as conveying a requirement for obedience to all the Law of Moses to the Gentile churches, which I don't see as being consistent with the texts from which they were ripped in order to weave together that tattered tapestry of colors representative of the Judaisers who were put in their places in Acts 15.

Are you saying JESUS was a sinner and the Apostles were lawless and their practice was to break Gods' commandments?

Questions that are suggestive of an alleged absurdity on my part hardly make your case, nor are representative of anything I said.

There are many words in your post here, but I do not see much scripture to support them.

Perhaps if you would present something of substance that allegedly substantiates your use of those disjointed verses, THEN perhaps I can offer a better refutation for your abuses and twisting of their meaning. Wholesale use of quoted verses amputated from their contexts is a tactic I have experienced from seasoned Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, along with other legalistic cults I will not mention as some in here may be from one such major sized grouping of those cults.

Happy to discuss this further with you in friendly discussion with Gods' Word if your prayerfully interested? If not of course we will have to agree to disagree because for me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about following man-made traditions and teachings that break God's commandments in Matthew 15:3-9. BABYLON has fallen. God is calling all those who have ears to hear back to His Word *John 4:23-24; Revelation 18:1-5.

I can agree with that, but at the same time it's my hope that you will not be so easily offended when I call out your false applications and misrepresentations, as many are so easily offended these days, thus trying to make me feel as though I have to walk on egg shells around you. There are many lurkers here who learn by reading in silence; never commenting, and who can therefore learn about not only the theology presented, but also the tactics utilized behind their use and presentation.

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When those verses are presented as stand-alone verses, without any coupling to contextual and exegetical meaning, then it's far too easy to present them all as allegedly referring to a continuance for, and transfer of, adherence to the Law of Moses by even the Gentile believers. Every one of those were presented as conveying a requirement for obedience to all the Law of Moses to the Gentile churches, which I don't see as being consistent with the texts from which they were ripped in order to weave together that tattered tapestry of colors representative of the Judaisers who were put in their places in Acts 15.



Questions that are suggestive of an alleged absurdity on my part hardly make your case, nor are representative of anything I said.



Perhaps if you would present something of substance that allegedly substantiates your use of those disjointed verses, THEN perhaps I can offer a better refutation for your abuses and twisting of their meaning. Wholesale use of quoted verses amputated from their contexts is a tactic I have experienced from seasoned Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, along with other legalistic cults I will not mention as some in here may be from one such major sized grouping of those cults.



I can agree with that, but at the same time it's my hope that you will not be so easily offended when I call out your false applications and misrepresentations, as many are so easily offended these days, thus trying to make me feel as though I have to walk on egg shells around you. There are many lurkers here who learn by reading in silence; never commenting, and who can therefore learn about not only the theology presented, but also the tactics utilized behind their use and presentation.

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God's Word to me is the only definition of pure substance and what truth is *John 17:17 according to the scriptures and this is what is presented in the OP. It is God's Word not mine, written there for all to see God's truth. All I am hearing here once again in your post is lots of words and unproven allegations your unable to support with scripture arguing against the scriptures already provided in the OP. I did ask you some questions earlier to better understand your position and to avoid any misunderstandings. If you do not want to answer them just say so. Do you know what topical bible study is and how do you think that might relate to the topic of the OP? Looks like your not really here for a prayerful open minded and friendly discussion are you. If that is the case of course we will agree to disagree. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. For me He (the Word) must increase and I must decrease because it is only in the Word of God we all find JESUS.
 
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God's Word to me is the only definition of pure substance and what truth is *John 17:17 according to the scriptures and this is what is presented in the OP.

Hmm. Well, I hope you don't mind my traipse into the scriptures, and even beyond them on a lifeline that is a creation of scripture itself. The scriptures are indeed instrumental in providing to us the means by which we may apply an acid test to things that we hear and see, but there is another avenue that empirical and beyond dispute as can be the case where scripture is concerned.

[1 John 2:26-27] 26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Scriptures are wonderful and of immeasurable value, but there is also filling relationship with the One who inspired their writing. THAT is where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

It is God's Word not mine, written there for all to see God's truth. All I am hearing here once again in your post is lots of words and unproven allegations your unable to support with scripture arguing against the scriptures already provided in the OP.

Well, let's set the record straight, shall we. Contrary to your false accusation, I did mention Acts 15, a couple of time at least, which I believe is indeed "scripture," is it not? It's easily accessible to anyone willing to do some reading in context rather than a couple of disjointed verses.

I did ask you some questions earlier to better understand your position and to avoid any misunderstandings. If you do not want to answer them just say so.

I believe I addressed them all that I saw as relevant to what I had been saying all along. At times, I may ignore those things that lift up straw men argumentation against points that I never made. Do point out what you want to know that address what I had actually stated.

Do you know what topical bible study is and how do you think that might relate to the topic of the OP?

Topicals are one of many tools that can be instrumental, but when the conclusion is so simplistically and erroneously boiled down the idea that all those verses, because they mention "commandments," and "law," and a couple of other key words, the misguided assumption is that they must therefore be supporting verses to your conclusion. THAT is the essence of what I am forced to deny as being true.

Looks like your not really here for a prayerful open minded and friendly discussion are you. If that is the case of course we will agree to disagree. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. For me He (the Word) must increase and I must decrease because it is only in the Word of God we all find JESUS.

Are we now walking on egg shells here? I am fully prepared to engage this topic as a healthy discussion. What's the problem? Are you assuming something into my tone what is not there? I happen to write "to the point" without beating around the bush of long-winded niceties since my typing time is limited. I would hope that doesn't become a stumbling point.

Jr
 
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Hmm. Well, I hope you don't mind my traipse into the scriptures, and even beyond them on a lifeline that is a creation of scripture itself. The scriptures are indeed instrumental in providing to us the means by which we may apply an acid test to things that we hear and see, but there is another avenue that empirical and beyond dispute as can be the case where scripture is concerned.

[1 John 2:26-27] 26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Scriptures are wonderful and of immeasurable value, but there is also filling relationship with the One who inspired their writing. THAT is where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.



Well, let's set the record straight, shall we. Contrary to your false accusation, I did mention Acts 15, a couple of time at least, which I believe is indeed "scripture," is it not? It's easily accessible to anyone willing to do some reading in context rather than a couple of disjointed verses.



I believe I addressed them all that I saw as relevant to what I had been saying all along. At times, I may ignore those things that lift up straw men argumentation against points that I never made. Do point out what you want to know that address what I had actually stated.



Topicals are one of many tools that can be instrumental, but when the conclusion is so simplistically and erroneously boiled down the idea that all those verses, because they mention "commandments," and "law," and a couple of other key words, the misguided assumption is that they must therefore be supporting verses to your conclusion. THAT is the essence of what I am forced to deny as being true.



Are we now walking on egg shells here? I am fully prepared to engage this topic as a healthy discussion. What's the problem? Are you assuming something into my tone what is not there? I happen to write "to the point" without beating around the bush of long-winded niceties since my typing time is limited. I would hope that doesn't become a stumbling point.

Jr
In this post you bring up 1 John 2:26-27 which I also love and agree with. God being our teacher through his Spirit is also a part of God's new covenant promise as shown in Hebrews 8:11; John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36. That said what you did not mention is that God only gives his Spirit to those who obey him *Acts of the Apostles 5:32 and those who say they know God while knowingly breaking God's commandments are lying and do not know him *1 John 2:3-4.

In your post here you bring up ACTS 15 as your point of scripture so lets discuss it. How is ACTS 15 relevant to our conversation? The Mosaic law of "CIRCUMCISION" is not a requirement for salvation and "CIRCUMCISION" is not one of Gods 10 commandments is it? You do know that the topic of conversation of ACTS 15 is over the question "Is the Mosiac law of circumcision a requirement for salvation" right and this was the question that was being discussed at Jerusalem right that Paul and Barnabas went to discuss with the other Apostles right? *Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2. As a result of the Jerusalem decision and sometime latter we see Paul talking to the Corinthians stating "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), but the keeping of the commandments of God. *1 Corinthians 7:19. So nope I do not think Acts 15 is going to help you much here dear friend.

The rest of your post is only your words and accusations again, unsupported by scripture arguing against the scriptures from the OP that you are not able to prove so do not really need any comment from me as I am sure all agree only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and you have not provided any that support your claims against the scriptures in the OP which are God's Word not my words. All you have provided here are your words that are not God's Word so your argument therefore is with God not me. Now how does anything you have posted here or elsewhere prove the scriptures provided in the OP are not true? - It doesn't.

Something to pray about.
 
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