Federal Court denies Donald's attempt to overturn PA certification

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6540ba-30d7-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

A federal appeals court on Friday rejected President Trump’s request for an emergency injunction to overturn the certification of Pennsylvania’s election results.

The Third Circuit Court of Appeals said that the Trump campaign’s challenge of a U.S. district court’s decision had “no merit.”


The court’s sharply worded opinion was written by Judge Stephanos Bibas, who was appointed to the court by Trump.

“Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Bibas wrote.

Sorry, Donald -- You. Just. Keep. Failing.

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The summary of the decision demonstrates how little they had and how irrelevant the case and appeal were.

For your enlightenment, here is the summary of the opinion.

Judge Bibas said:
Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here. The Trump Presidential Campaign asserts that Pennsylvania’s 2020 election was unfair. But as lawyer Rudolph Giuliani stressed, the Campaign “doesn’t plead fraud. . . . [T]his is not a fraud case.” Mot. to Dismiss Hr’g Tr. 118:19–20, 137:18. Instead, it objects that Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State and some counties restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots. It offers nothing more.

This case is not about whether those claims are true. Rather, the Campaign appeals on a very narrow ground: whether the District Court abused its discretion in not letting the Campaign amend its complaint a second time. It did not.

Most of the claims in the Second Amended Complaint boil down to issues of state law. But Pennsylvania law is willing to overlook many technical defects. It favors counting votes as long as there is no fraud. Indeed, the Campaign has already litigated and lost many of these issues in state courts.

The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory. It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes. And federal law does not require poll watchers or specify how they may observe. It also says nothing about curing technical state-law errors in ballots. Each of these defects is fatal, and the proposed Second Amended Complaint does not fix them. So the District Court properly denied leave to amend again.

Nor does the Campaign deserve an injunction to undo Pennsylvania’s certification of its votes. The Campaign’s claims have no merit. The number of ballots it specifically challenges is far smaller than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. And it never claims fraud or that any votes were cast by illegal voters. Plus, tossing out millions of mail-in ballots would be drastic and unprecedented, disenfranchising a huge swath of the electorate and upsetting all down-ballot races too. That remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised. So we deny the motion for an injunction pending appeal.

It would not seem that the SCOTUS would give this any heed, either.
 
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Are they not going around the courts by infiltrating the Legislators to deem the election results fraudulent thus justifying faithless electors or even changing them? This was my interpretation of the hearing.

FYI. This was a court case, not part of Rudy's Charge at the Wyndham with the legislators present.

Without an invalidated election or prevented designation of electors, it would seem that the legislative move is useless as well.
 
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Are they not going around the courts by infiltrating the Legislators to deem the election results fraudulent thus justifying faithless electors or even changing them? This was my interpretation of the hearing.

Well, going to the courts was the plan to go around the voters...
Now, going to the legislators is the plan to go around the courts.

Sooner or later, Donald's going to run out of things to go around.
 
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Well, going to the courts was the plan to go around the voters...
Now, going to the legislators is the plan to go around the courts.

Sooner or later, Donald's going to run out of things to go around.
Yes, that is my understanding as well.
 
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Are they not going around the courts by infiltrating the Legislators to deem the election results fraudulent thus justifying faithless electors or even changing them? This was my interpretation of the hearing.
Infiltrating the Legislators is not going to work for donald either. Once the state officially verified the results, the state legislators can't do anything about it.

EDIT: The legislators are not going to over turn the election results in trumps favor without evidence of fraud. They well know the political ramifications of overturning their citizens majority decision.
 
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Infiltrating the Legislators is not going to work for donald either. Once the state officially verified the results, the state legislators can't do anything about it.
So what was the point of the "big" PA hearing? I guess I can look it up.
 
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It not a court hearing though. They just do it for the sole purpose of election funds nothing more.

The funds are really going into Trump's pocket. He is not up for any election.
 
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So what was the point of the "big" PA hearing? I guess I can look it up.

The point was for Trump to continue to effect public perception and attempt to delegitimize the election process itself.
 
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So what was the point of the "big" PA hearing? I guess I can look it up.

The generation of noise, disinformation, and the long term basis for a "lost cause" narrative for the Trumpublicans going forward. (Alternatively, they could try supporting ideas and people that we like.)
 
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The point was for Trump to continue to effect public perception and attempt to delegitimize the election process itself.

He started on the big lie of election fraud back in 2016, maybe earlier, and has repeated it on a regular basis ever since.

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."― Joseph Goebbels (Nazi Minister of Propaganda)
 
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Infiltrating the Legislators is not going to work for donald either. Once the state officially verified the results, the state legislators can't do anything about it.

EDIT: The legislators are not going to over turn the election results in trumps favor without evidence of fraud. They well know the political ramifications of overturning their citizens majority decision.

Ramifications which just might include the citizens breaking out ye olde guillotine...
 
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Ramifications which just might include the citizens breaking out ye olde guillotine...

What is it with you and guillotines do you have some sort of metal works shop setup behind your house.

As for the court case Rudy just got a mudhole stomped into him in court no surprise there.
 
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