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This is my field. I have letters and numbers reflecting my credentials but I don’t want to come off as giving solicited financial advice. I also have a background in accounting. It sounds like you may have owned a business or were pretty close to the top. In my experience people fail for two reasons.

1. Failure to plan sufficiently for the future. Whether it’s far enough in the future or for initial success. This is not something you will be able to see or plan clearly. You need someone to help you here. Don’t be afraid to take good advice from someone who is qualified to do so. Hopefully not anyone you are friends with. Being friends with that person will cloud his or her judgement.

second, that bad things can and will happen. Markets won’t always be as good and the key is to mitigate risk so that if you are taken by surprise you so you aren’t wrong by a whole lot. Only wrong by a little. And always keep an eye towards the long term so as not to sacrifice your future for the sake of today.

In short, know where every penny is going. Get control of outflows first then work in increasing income. If you need to make a settlement for debt to pay less than what is due then do it. Eliminate any consumer debt or payments like cars and the like. Remember a car is just a tool that is considered a wasting asset. Meaning at some point in the future it’s worth is zero. Work out better terms for your mortgage if you can since interest rates this low can also benefit you. Lower lower you monthly expenses as much as you can.

And here is the most important part. Your wife must buy into this 100%. It’s all or none or you will be in this position again the first time you show signs of building wealth.

And no matter what always live below your means. I graduated college after being on scholarship luckily with no debt and $1600 in my pocket in 2003 and living in a crap apartment with a minivan on its last leg. Now the only debt I have is my mortgage on our dream home that will be ours in less than 8 years. I do pretty much what I want when I want. Yet that was after being unemployed for almost a year and making several mistakes along the way. I just had a plan and when I got off it I got back on it ASAP.

I made the following chart back in 2012, when I had more energy after work to do things. The yellow lines were my paydays, and with having a variable income, I would write down the amount due the payday *before* the due date located at the top of the column... That would ensure that payments would be paid a week early...

...Do you think this was a good budgeting method? Or is there easier, more efficient ways of doing this?

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...My wife thought this was too complicated, and was unable to use this method for on-time bill paying. My primary goal is to make this as *simple* as possible, so that she will be able to take part.

...The second problem we faced with the chart was that, in having a variable income, some weeks were much tougher than others, not having money in savings... I guess that was the main point of failure, aside from just being "complicated".
 
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I guess if I used the tip to save $1,666, from the link @jacks gave me, I could use that money, to draw from for bill paying, while simultaneously putting money back in there where I took it from... This, along with an allowed budget, might keep things steady.

...So there needs to be 3 categories or "functions".

  • Bill paying chart (for on-time pmnts)
  • Set Budget
  • Savings
...And without all 3 working simultaneously, there can be no harmony... No functionality...

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I don't know why I didn't see this before..! Man I feel stupid right now... :doh::)

...Or am I still missing something..?
 
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Oh, there's one other thing I'd like to bring up... Filing..!

Yes, I had an immaculate filing system back in 2012 when I cared. I had the following categories for mail. All mail was filed under the following categories:

  • Religion
  • Certificates / titles
  • Credit
  • Work /employment
  • Loans
  • Bank accounts
  • Monthly bills
  • Medical
  • Pay stubs
  • Taxes /elections
  • Kids / school
What do you think..? Still relevant..? :)

...This was another thing my wife struggled with, as I suppose it was too complicated being someone else's (my) invention and not her own.

Is there an easier method for filing to prevent paper mail from being scattered randomly in drawers and boxes to help make them easily accessible? Any tips..?
 
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Crown Financial is a reputable ministry which focuses on biblical stewardship. I took the course many years ago. Larry Burkett has several books too. I think their program is better than Ramsey’s. Dave was taught by Larry. Both are inexpensive. I’d start with Crown and follow with Financial Peace. If financial autonomy is your aim, explore the FI (financial independence) method.

Yours in His Service,

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That’s a lot of paper and an overly complex system. It looks like something you’d find in a business. Not a home. Most companies maintain digital copies of statements in your account. You can access them online.

Yours in His Service,

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That’s a lot of paper and an overly complex system. It looks like something you’d find in a business. Not a home. Most companies maintain digital copies of statements in your account. You can access them online.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

I think it stems from having the kids, where there were a lot of procedures, ultrasounds, etc., and thus, a very wide array of bills, sometimes even including more than one account by a single office, for several individuals, having at one time a household of 6 (4 kids)... So it became a way of keeping track of probably 40 or 50 accounts altogether, as well as other information.

But filing is awfully time consuming and burdensome, I'll admit. Almost too much to bear, for something that seems ultimately worthless.

It could very well be that our demise has been rooted in over-complicating things, and then blowing it off in the end out of despair.
 
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But filing is awfully time consuming and burdensome, I'll admit. Almost too much to bear, for something that seems ultimately worthless.

It could very well be that our demise has been rooted in over-complicating things.

Do you have a similar problem in other areas of the house or just the mail? If orderliness or clutter is a struggle, hire an organizer. You’ll breathe a sigh of relief when she’s done. For a DIY approach, check out Marie Kondo or FlyLady.

Yours in His Service,

~bella
 
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Do you have a similar problem in other areas of the house or just the mail? If orderliness or clutter is a struggle, hire an organizer. You’ll breathe a sigh of relief when she’s done. For a DIY approach, check out Marie Kondo or FlyLady.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Wow, that's a great idea..!

...Pretty much I try to be a minimalist as much as possible. I would say paper clutter would be the main problem. I find opened and unopened mail in drawers, boxes, counter-top piles... There's a lot of it... Paper is a problem. :)
 
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Wow, that's a great idea..!

...Pretty much I try to be a minimalist as much as possible. I would say paper clutter would be the main problem. I find opened and unopened mail in drawers, boxes, counter-top piles... There's a lot of it... Paper is a problem. :)

I’d hire a professional. You’d lose the clutter and gain a system you can manage. :)

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If someone is computer savvy, and wants to make millions of dollars, then create an algorithm for families... A system that can alphabetize bills on it's own and distinguish between accounts.

A system that does all the work for you, and all you do is feed it your mail and paycheck stubs.

I'd pay $800. For such a system.
 
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Well, we're in a weird situation, but our home and property and vehicles are all paid for. We just owe property taxes and the usual bills.

With that said, we have invested in certain things.

This is the breakdown, basically:

1. We live on 65% of our income. Save about 75% of what's left for emergencies, in a savings account. Use the rest for investments, or home improvements, stuff like that.

2. If you can, grow a garden and preserve food. That saves a lot of money. It's a little work, usually requiring some Mason jars, seals, lids, and a pressure cooker. That's a small investment of about $100 at first but it pays off in the long run.

3. Don't eat out often. Instead, cook at home, and take advantage of food sales. If you can, invest in a freezer and a food vacuum sealer. You can get meats on sale, and vacuum-seal them for later use. If you have room for a pantry or shelves, buy canned goods on sale and store them for future use.

4. Use leftovers for work lunches, or next-day meals. Try not to throw food away if it's good. Freezing leftovers can work as well.

5. Shop at dollar stores, and cheaper grocery stores. Usually paper goods (paper towels, toilet paper, etc.) are cheaper at the dollar stores.

6. Recycle old clothes into cleaning cloths. Old clean flannel shirts and t-shirts and underwear -are good for dusting and polishing; old jeans are great for cleaning the vehicles.

7. Service vehicles regularly and always keep them maintained. This saves on issues later, and don't put off minor fixes; they can result in disaster if left ignored.

8. Always set up a budget for any major purchase and keep well below it. In other words, a BMW may be nice to have, but a Toyota would work just as well and be a lot cheaper to maintain.

9. Do NOT use credit cards unless it's a dire emergency, ever! If you do have to use a credit card, pay it off as quickly as possible. Good credit is priceless.

10. Don't buy expensive pets unless you can completely afford them without going into debt. If you like certain dog or cat breeds, some breeders will sell them at a reduced price if there's a flaw in their coats. Otherwise, go to shelters. Try to avoid puppy mills; sometimes those poor little puppies have health issues that can get expensive ... or worse, heartbreaking.

11. Keep extravagances to a minimum. I love Vera Bradley purses, so I have two; a winter purse and summer purse. I have two Vera Bradley backpacks for work as well, but I got all these on eBay at a super cheap price. I never pay full price for anything. My hubby Ben loves tools and shops sales and eBay. Never pay full price for anything if you can help it.

12. Set aside a "fun fund." Maybe 5 or 10 dollars a week or so, after a month, it can add up to a nice dinner out or a day trip for a treat to somewhere interesting.

13. Eat healthy, exercise, and get regular doctor checkups. Don't smoke, drink alcohol, or use illegal drugs. Lots of fruits and veggies, if you can't grow them, are available at farmers' markets and produce stands cheaper than at grocery stores. Replace high-calorie sodas with fruit juice, etc. And watch your weight. If you need to lose weight, speak to your doctor about a healthy weight-loss program.

14. Don't allow a spouse or child to over-spend. Set limits if a spouse or child seems to want things off the budget. Teach a child to save; I don't have kids, but we are teaching our little precious neice how to save money and make wise spending decisions.

15. Don't clutter up your home. Keep it de-cluttered and clean. Clutter is sometimes a fire hazard, and if there is too much clutter, your homeowner's insurance could be cancelled.

16. Make sure you have more than the minimum of homeowner's insurance if you own a home. Shop different policies from different companies and compare the coverage. The same goes for car and business insurance. See if bundling these will save money.

17. TV and Internet. If you don't need 600 channels, don't buy it. In our experience, we can get a lot more from subscriptions like Netflix and Hulu, and free stuff on the internet like YouTube and other free streaming sites. We did away with cable TV and have a good indoor antenna which picks up all the local channels with all the news and weather we need. We have ATT dsl, which provides all our internet needs, and that saves us a lot of money as well. Unless you can't live without HBO, try to find a chepaer service or plan.

18. With homeowner's insurance, take photos of everything, especially if you upgrade things. Make sure your policy replaces things with new, not current market value. It may cost a little more, but if your home is damaged by a fire or flood, it will cover everything with new things. The same goes for renter's insurance. By all means, if you are renting an apartment, make sure your things are covered, like TVs, computers, furniture, all that. Take pictures, and keep your insurance updated.

19. If you have a used car that you bought, make sure to keep an eye out for TSBs and recalls. TSBs are Technical Service Bulletins sent to dealerships. Often these are warnings of a problem, and you can take your car in to get the problem looked at and fixed for free most of the time. Recalls aren't always sent to used car owners, so make sure you Google your make, model, and year to the model car company to check for a recall. This can prevent a mess.

20. Never buy "seconds." Sure, four new tires for $30 a piece may seem like a good deal, but seconds have flaws in them. And watch the warranty as well. Be sure you know what's covered and what isn't. Plus, spending a little extra on good tires could prevent an expensive accident.

21. Never, have things like wiring or appliance installation done by a handyman. Make sure you get a licensed, bonded professional to do the work, and make sure it's warranteed. Check your local BBB for good professionals. If you get an unlicensed handyman to do work, if it fails, you have no recourse and worse, if the work damages your home, the homeowner's insurance will not cover it.

Well, I think I've covered every financial issue I can think of without, as one person pointed out, using Biblical stuff or anything.

I've provided some common-sense stuff instead, and I hope this answers the question.

All good things
Emmy
 
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Wow, that's a great idea..!

...Pretty much I try to be a minimalist as much as possible. I would say paper clutter would be the main problem. I find opened and unopened mail in drawers, boxes, counter-top piles... There's a lot of it... Paper is a problem. :)

Sounds like there's a paper hoarder in your house. :eek:
 
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I think it stems from having the kids, where there were a lot of procedures, ultrasounds, etc., and thus, a very wide array of bills, sometimes even including more than one account by a single office, for several individuals, having at one time a household of 6 (4 kids)... So it became a way of keeping track of probably 40 or 50 accounts altogether, as well as other information.

But filing is awfully time consuming and burdensome, I'll admit. Almost too much to bear, for something that seems ultimately worthless.

It could very well be that our demise has been rooted in over-complicating things, and then blowing it off in the end out of despair.

I used to color code items on my credit card statement. Worked well for keeping track of spending on gas and food, but little else. I abandoned it as it really served no useful purpose in regard to saving.

I write monthly bills on a 3X5 card and cross them off as I pay them. Paper statements are shoved under my desk calender after I record check number and date of payment on them. I rarely have to revisit them. At years end they become kindling for my fireplace.
 
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What are your finances like?

Solid.

Do you own property?

I owned an 8-unit, but sold it some years ago.

Do you have investments?

Yes, in cd's, annuities, and savings accounts.

What are your financial goals?

$100,000 annual income, $1,000,000 net worth. I have reached both some time ago.

Do you have any tips?

Focus like a laser on your goals.

How do you budget, do you have a budget sheet you use monthly, or do you wing it?

I wing it.


How much do you spend on groceries each week?

About $25.

Do you eat out?

Almost never.

Is it easy for you to save money?

Very easy as I live a very spartan lifestyle (alone), with no loans, and a substantial income.

Updated 8/9/21: I'm lifting weights again so my food costs have gone up a bit to cover protein needs.
 
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