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Its saddening to me seeing how much people trust the media, liberal or conservative
Don’t trust the media - trust some guy on YouTube instead.
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Its saddening to me seeing how much people trust the media, liberal or conservative
Most countries don't allow mail in votesWhat makes you think you don’t have a secure voting system? Do you really think that your misplaced package is sufficient evidence that postal voting is flawed? Postal voting is common in most developed countries and the number of problems caused is minuscule.
Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for
Most countries don't allow mail in votes
France banned absentee voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided
Here is a Link
Why Do Most Countries Ban Mail-In Ballots?: They Have Seen Massive Vote Fraud Problems by John R. Lott :: SSRN
You need better sources...Wikipedia states that most European Countries do not allow postal voting. Russia and Poland do not. Japan does not.
Spain
In Spain, for European, regional and municipal elections, voters who will be absent from their town on election day or are ill or disabled, may request a postal vote at a post office. The application must be submitted personally or through a representative in case of illness or disability certified by a medical certificate.
Still a little unclear on what's a bribe huh? Did they receive anything before they voted? Were they directed to vote for a specific candidate in order to receive something? Or: did they show proof of having voted and got something? Because the article seem to indicate that's what happened, and in spite of how ominous and illegal the author tried to make it sound, it wasn't. So to sum up: I asked for proof of fraud and so far nothing has been presented. I'm starting to get the feeling this is more "wishful thinking" than "massive voter fraud".It is against Federal Law. (snip)
Absentee voting is Not mail voting.You’re aware that the U.K. countries, Germany, Ireland, Spain, Switzerland, Hungary, Poland (does have postal voting) are in Europe, yes? Those and a few others use postal voting. This is a normal thing - no fraud, as in the US election. Voting in person is the norm, as it is in most places, which should go without saying. Currently France and other countries who don’t usually allow postal voting (although almost every European country does allow postal votes under certain limited circumstances) are allowing it, for obvious reasons. No fraud. No fraud in the US, none in Europe. Basing your idea on something you think might have happened 40 odd years ago doesn’t strengthen your point.
There are a lot of countries in Europe, and some don’t have the well developed infrastructure needed to organise a range of voting options as effectively as somewhere like the U.K., or Germany, but the US doesn’t have that problem.
I have cited case after case. SD, Thune/Johnson election. The videos from Nevada liquor store voting station, busses from California. People were convicted in California for giving money and cigarettes to homeless for ballots. Broward County, boxes of ballots.
It is documented but then again, when it is in their interest or they are the ones doing it, then the official line is...there is no voter fraud.
I am adding a link
‘Fraud Has Been Institutionalized’: Inside Partisan GOTV In Indian Country
Absentee voting is Not mail voting.
Spain has Absentee Voting for people who are absent or ill only. It is strictly regulated. Spain does not have mail in voting.
Poland has absentee voting only, not blanket mail voting, again regulated.
Ireland, doesn't even allow mail in votes for anyone not in residence. Absentee voting is strictly for Diplomats.
India has a special ballot that is supposedly fraud proof.
You are confused about restricted absentee voting and this mass mail fraud machine the democrats loosed on the nation.
What happened in Corsica is relevant because fraud machine yesterday is fraud machine today.
It is against Federal Law. If you provide food, drink or any other material for people arriving to vote, standing in line to vote or after they vote as part of the voting process, it is illegal.Still a little unclear on what's a bribe huh? Did they receive anything before they voted? Were they directed to vote for a specific candidate in order to receive something? Or: did they show proof of having voted and got something? Because the article seem to indicate that's what happened, and in spite of how ominous and illegal the author tried to make it sound, it wasn't. So to sum up: I asked for proof of fraud and so far nothing has been presented. I'm starting to get the feeling this is more "wishful thinking" than "massive voter fraud".
tulc(tends to get that feeling when no links to evidence is shown after several times of asking)
1) A majority of developed world countries Do Not allow mass mail voting. In some restricted cases, absentee voting is allowed.1) You don’t know what happened in Corsica
2) Postal voting is postal voting. It is used when in person voting is restricted for any reason - such as during a pandemic. As I said, the majority of developed world countries allow postal voting as a matter of course, all of them allow it under certain circumstances
3) There is no evidence of large scale or even small scale fraud, anywhere. Any fraud that might occur is so tiny it doesn’t register, and makes no difference.
4) For some reason you are trying to argue this isn’t the case. It is. That isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s just a fact.
uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.It is against Federal Law. If you provide food, drink or any other material for people arriving to vote, standing in line to vote or after they vote as part of the voting process, it is illegal.
IT is considered a bribe. There is a law. Do some research.
Disprove it.. I researched the food vendors who were passing out free food to people standing in long lines to vote in Georgia. It is illegal. I have done enough research while receiving nothing in reply except "prove it.uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.
tulc(will be interested in seeing the support for this)
1) A majority of developed world countries Do Not allow mass mail voting. In some restricted cases, absentee voting is allowed.
2) Corsica was large scale, disastrous fraud. The Polish mass mail voting that was allowed for exceptional circumstances in May was a fraudulent disaster.
3) Because of vulnerabilities in the system, election fraud is relatively easy to commit and difficult to detect after-the-fact. Moreover, some public officials appear to be unconcerned with election fraud and fail to pursue cases that are reported to them. It is a general truism that you don’t find what you don’t look for.
4)Why are you arguing with facts? I have posted links to all of the articles about "developed countries" I have posted links to fraud cases.
Denial?
I researched this during the election because food vendors were passing out food. I guess many people had the same question.uhmmm...you made the claim it's up to you to prove it. That's how it works.
tulc(will be interested in seeing the support for this)
Most countries do not allow postal voting with restricted exceptions. I wish you would read the links. It would be helpful or do some research.You don’t appear to understand the difference between random statements and factual information. I do wonder about that, as confusing random statements for facts is the modus operandi of much of what passes for news in the Conservative US media, so it may be a habit picked up from consuming poor quality news media, or maybe it’s a chicken and egg question.
Yes you posted some links, it’s not clear why you think they prove your point. In the developed world - from Canada to Australia and every country in between, there are varying rules relating to postal votes under different circumstances. In some countries this has been the case for decades, in others not, and so on. Your ‘a postal vote is only a postal vote if I say so’ assertion is not relevant - a vote that is sent using a physical postal service is a postal vote, that is what a postal vote is. Neither are your random ideas about what ‘the Polish people’ think of any relevance here. And no, you don’t have any idea about what happened in Corsica in the 1970s.
To recap - most countries allow postal voting. The circumstances under which this is allowed differ. There is no evidence, anywhere, of this leading to a widespread fraud.
What you are referring to - people saying stuff on the internet - is not evidence.
Most countries do not allow postal voting with restricted exceptions. I wish you would read the links. It would be helpful or do some research.
The Polish Constitution does not allow postal voting. There was an exception made in May 2020 for Covid 19 and it was a disaster. Go Read All About It.