Day of The Lord - Day of Jesus' Future Return

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
How do you interpret this passage:

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Your view has 2 hours (times) coming when all the dead will be resurrected with some being resurrected in one hour/time and the rest resurrected at another hour/time. That contradicts what Jesus said here.

Compare this verse:

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

With these passages:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Did you know that we are already priests of God and of Christ. That should tell you something about the timing of Revelation 20:6.

Does the second death have any authority over the souls of the dead in Christ who are in heaven right now?

All those dead are in sheol. Are you going to sheol when you die? The church is not in a grave somewhere. They are in Paradise.

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
There has not yet been any resurrection unto bodily immortality besides Christ's resurrection. You are mistaken. Just read 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 which shows the order of bodily resurrections unto bodily immortality. There is no mention there of anyone being resurrected unto bodily immortality except for Christ Himself and then those at His second coming at the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:50-54).

John 5:24-27 is talking about the same thing Paul wrote about here, which is going from being spiritually dead in your sins to being made spiritually alive in Christ:

Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

So why add: but currently they sit in sheol until the GWT? Is Christ in sheol or the grave? The church goes to Paradise and bodily, contrary to your interpretation, that the church goes to the grave and sheol to wait.

The first resurrection is a type, not a when. The first resurrection is bodily with an incorruptible body. The second death is of the spirit being cast into the lake of fire. The spirit is not given at the first resurrection. The GWT is not necessarily a bodily resurrection. The soul and spirit are cast into the Lake of Fire. If you want to add an eternal body, fine. Do some at the GWT get an incorruptible body, and live in the New Earth? After spending thousands of years in sheol can they change their mind and accept God's mercy and grace? Or will they still reject God and be removed from the book of life? Do all give an account? Do some reject their own rightness and turn to God on that day of the GWT?

Ephesians 2:4-6 clearly says because of Christ's resurrection the church is not waiting in sheol, but is currently with Christ, bodily in Paradise. THAT IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION = BODILY.

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Notice that the elect are gathered from the earth and from heaven. Which is the same thing Paul taught here:

"The uttermost part of the earth" is not in all translations. It is an added phrase to back up modern theology, at the least. Those alive at the 6th seal who are part of the church are alive not in a grave. The bodies are already found in "the corners of heaven".

This is the 5th and 6th seal event, if you would compare Mark 13 with Revelation 6. The 4th seal is the tribulation of those days.

Tribulation has been nonstop, and the Second Coming could have happened in any decade since 30AD. But only after the opening of the 4th seal.

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
do you? I'm not the one who comes up with crazy, unscriptural ideas of the unsaved dead being resurrected and then roaming around on the earth for a thousand years. That is clearly unbiblical. Where did you even get such an idea from?

How can the sheep and wheat of the final harvest be unsaved dead? That is your error about Revelation 20:4. Those in the millennium are NOT unsaved dead.

If some posters here can change from pre-mill to amil by the thousands, you think it strange that after 1000 years of rule by Christ, some humans, even in the billions, CANNOT change their minds? The millennium is not full of robots. Humanity can still think for themselves.

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
How can the sheep and wheat of the final harvest be unsaved dead?

I never said that. What is the reason that you misinterpret almost everything I say? Can you explain that? I never said anything whatsoever to indicate that I believe the sheep and wheat of the final harvest are unsaved dead. Not even close.

I was arguing against the idea that the unsaved dead will be resurrected and then get to live on the earth in spiritual bodies after that. Wouldn't you agree that idea is unbiblical?

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
"The uttermost part of the earth" is not in all translations. It is an added phrase to back up modern theology, at the least.

So, you apparently believe the King James Version is a fraudulent translation of the Bible.

So, tell me which translations that phrase is not in then. I'm not aware of any. I would hope that you don't use any of the translations that include the phrase, including the KJV, since you think the translators added it to back up modern theology. I certainly wouldn't trust those translations at all if I believed they would do that to Mark 13:27.

Those alive at the 6th seal who are part of the church are alive not in a grave. The bodies are already found in "the corners of heaven".

This is the 5th and 6th seal event, if you would compare Mark 13 with Revelation 6. The 4th seal is the tribulation of those days.

Tribulation has been nonstop, and the Second Coming could have happened in any decade since 30AD. But only after the opening of the 4th seal.

You are very hard to follow. Do you not think Mark 13:24-27 is about the future second coming of Christ? Do you not believe is the same event as 1 Thess 4:13-17?

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
All those dead are in sheol. Are you going to sheol when you die? The church is not in a grave somewhere. They are in Paradise.

What in the world are you talking about? Why do you ask these ridiculous questions? Is it on purpose or do you just have a major problem with reading comprehension? I believe the souls of all believers are in Paradise now and never said otherwise. You continually misinterpret and misrepresent almost everything I say. What is the reason for that?

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
I never said that. What is the reason that you misinterpret almost everything I say? Can you explain that? I never said anything whatsoever to indicate that I believe the sheep and wheat of the final harvest are unsaved dead. Not even close.

I was arguing against the idea that the unsaved dead will be resurrected and then get to live on the earth in spiritual bodies after that. Wouldn't you agree that idea is unbiblical?

No one has ever in the whole church age taught that, have they? Why argue an idea foreign to Scripture to prove a point? It is bad enough that some wrongly place Revelation 20:4 at the Cross, much less claim the church is resurrected at the GWT.

Those in the next Millennium are the sheep, wheat, and those beheaded for not taking the mark period! The church is not resurrected in Revelation 20:4. Nor in Revelation 20:12.

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
So, you apparently believe the King James Version is a fraudulent translation of the Bible.

So, tell me which translations that phrase is not in then. I'm not aware of any. I would hope that you don't use any of the translations that include the phrase, including the KJV, since you think the translators added it to back up modern theology. I certainly wouldn't trust those translations at all if I believed they would do that to Mark 13:27.

You are very hard to follow. Do you not think Mark 13:24-27 is about the future second coming of Christ? Do you not believe is the same event as 1 Thess 4:13-17?

It was introduced in the Reformation, no? Do you know the difference between those living on earth and those dead in their sin or in sheol?

Timtofly · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
You are very hard to follow. Do you not think Mark 13:24-27 is about the future second coming of Christ? Do you not believe is the same event as 1 Thess 4:13-17?

Both of these are fulfilled in the 5th and 6th Seal. The one and ONLY Second Coming.

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
No one has ever in the whole church age taught that, have they?

Not that I'm aware of. Should we not say anything about it when someone makes a claim like he did?

Why argue an idea foreign to Scripture to prove a point?

I will point out falsehood when I see it regardless of how many people believe it. Just like I do when I point out the falsehood of your many private interpretations.

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
Both of these are fulfilled in the 5th and 6th Seal. The one and ONLY Second Coming.

How can it be fulfilled in both the 5th and 6th seal if it's "the one and ONLY Second Coming"? Aren't you turning it into a 2nd and 3rd coming by doing that?

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
It was introduced in the Reformation, no? Do you know the difference between those living on earth and those dead in their sin or in sheol?

So, do you only read translations that predate the Reformation then since you believe all of the English translations are fraudulent?

Which translations do you read?

Davy · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
But the point Jesus is making is that the call of those entering Paradise is non stop, it did start with Lazarus. The dead have to wait until the GWT, and then they will be called. Those in Paradise do hear the call at physical death. THEY DO NOT WAIT.

You are still not understanding. In the story Jesus gave about Lazarus and the rich man at the end... of Luke 16 (not the Lazarus that was wrapped up and buried in a cave), what happened to the poor beggar Lazarus when he died and was taken by angels to the bosom of Abraham?

Luke 16:22
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
KJV

Do you not see that both Lazarus and the rich man died, literally, and their flesh was buried? Yet they both appeared in Paradise, but not on the same side in Paradise. So what kind of body were they in when they appeared in Paradise? or was our Lord Jesus just fibbing to us about that kind thing of going to Paradise after death of the flesh, and lied also to the malefactor crucified with Him about going to Paradise? (Luke 23:43).

The reality per God's Word, is that the concept of death has different meaning for different times. For this present world, death is about the death of our flesh body. For the world to come, death is about the "second death", which is destruction of one's spirit/soul in the future "lake of fire". So the term "the dead" is meant differently in that world to come after Lord Jesus returns.

1. flesh death, 1st death = for this present flesh world only
2. "second death" = for the world to come only, the destruction of the spirit/mortal soul.

It's really that simple. There won't be some in resurrected bodies, while others are still in flesh bodies in that world to come. The unsaved will still be spiritually dead in their spirit/soul, not believing on Jesus Christ. The only thing that will have changed is, their flesh will have been cast off.

Thus "the dead" of Rev.20:5 are raised on the day of Christ's return also, which is what the John 5:28-29 is about too.

Just like the allegory Jesus used about the blind Pharisees, how they appeared like whited tombs on the outside, but inside were full of dead men's bones, that was show the concept of being without Christ, one's spirit not born again through His Blood shed on the cross. That is literally what the unsaved are like even now; their souls are still literally dead inside their flesh body without Christ Jesus. That means those are 'spiritually dead' inside. Even when their flesh dies or is cast off on the last day, their spirit with soul is still... spiritually dead and not born again in Christ. That is what "the dead" means in Rev.20:5.

Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
KJV

Rom 8:11
11 But if the Spirit of Him That raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He That raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
KJV

So many totally misinterpret that above Romans 8:11 verse about the mortal body being quickened, wrongly thinking Paul was talking about our flesh body. No, he was pointing to our 'spirit' with soul, because that last phrase "that dwelleth in you" isn't about flesh. It's about the spirit/soul that dwells INSIDE our flesh body. What is quickened when we die, or changed on the last day, is our 'spirit' by God's Spirit, not our flesh. This is why Apostle Paul was emphatic that the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", not another flesh body.

So if all souls are in that body in the world to come, then the idea of being 'dead' has a different meaning. And so does the idea of 'living' have a different meaning in that time also...

Millennium Timing:
1. being dead = one's spirit/soul is still mortal and liable to die in the "lake of fire" at the "second death", the unsaved of that time.
2. the Living = those who will have put on immortality through Christ Jesus and will never die.

Thus the Revelation 20:5 verse really means, the unsaved, the spiritually dead, will not live again for the thousand years until they 'believe' on Christ Jesus and their soul is born again through Him. This is only hinted at though in Rev.20, because it mentions a FIRST resurrection.

If someone says, the FIRST widget, what do they automatically think of next? the SECOND, or another widget, at least one more after the first for sure! Well what KIND of resurrection was the 1st resurrection per Rev.20? The SAVED, those in Christ!

Likewise at the end of the 1,000 years, there will be at least one more 'resurrection of life' like the 1st one. During the 1,000 years, The Gospel will be accepted by many of those unsaved souls who NEVER had their opportunity to hear during this present world. And especially Israel in part which God blinded away from The Gospel so it would go to the Gentiles, per Romans 11, that will be their first opportunity to 'hear' The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and believe. And many of them will believe on Jesus then (end of Zechariah 12).

Preaching and teaching under Jesus our Boss will be the main duty of His elect priests in that time!

Ezek 44:23-25
23 And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments: and they shall keep My laws and My statutes in all Mine assemblies; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.
KJV

That is why Jesus told His elect of the Church of Philadelphia that He will make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come worship at the feet of His elect (Revelation 3:9).

For those unsaved that still refuse to believe The Gospel after the thousand years, they instead will choose to perish in the "lake of fire" with Satan, hell, and death.

Davy · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
But the point Jesus is making is that the call of those entering Paradise is non stop, it did start with Lazarus. The dead have to wait until the GWT, and then they will be called. Those in Paradise do hear the call at physical death. THEY DO NOT WAIT.

If the point is pressed too much about those called at the GWT, that some will be granted life instead of the lake of fire, will that go against your theology? They will not go to Paradise, but they may live on earth in the NHNE. But to claim the church still resides in sheol until the GWT, contradicts Scripture that claims we are currently sitting with Christ in the heavenly. That is literally true because the majority of those, have already entered, that had ears to hear. Only a small minority of the church remains alive today.

None of the interpretation that says a church is waiting in a grave somewhere is the truth. That is misleading human theology that crept into the church over the last 1990 years. The living have not prevented the church from bodily being in Paradise.

If you will break down in the Greek what Apostle Paul taught in the 1 Corinthians 15:53 verse about what MUST happen to have eternal Life through Jesus Christ, then you might understand the idea of the resurrection difference between those in Life vs. those in damnation, after Christ's return.

1 Cor 15:53
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

Those are 4 different words in the Greek each with a different meaning. The "and" conjunction divides the fact of 2 different operations Paul is pointing to.

"corruptible" = Greek phthartos (5349), decayed, perishable. Our flesh body.

"incorruption" = Greek aphthrsia (861), incorruptibility, unending existence, Paul's "spiritual body", our spirit part. (Our soul is attached to this 'spirit' part. The "spiritual body" is a body image, the "image of the heavenly" Paul declared. Our soul must have a body to manifest. In the heavenly, it is the spiritual body, the image likeness and appearance in the heavenly.)

AND...

"this mortal" = Greek thnetos (2349), liable to die. A soul that is still mortal, still liable to perish at the "second death", i.e., "the dead" of Rev.20.

"immortality" = Greek athanasia (110), deathlessness. Eternal Life through Christ Jesus.

"resurrection of life" = the 1st resurrection; those in Christ when He comes. Their soul will have put on immortality unto eternal Life through Jesus.

"resurrection of damnation" = raised also to the spiritual body when Jesus comes, but their souls will still be in a mortal liable to perish state at the "second death". These are "the dead" of that future world time.

Davy · Nov 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
So why add: but currently they sit in sheol until the GWT? Is Christ in sheol or the grave? The church goes to Paradise and bodily, contrary to your interpretation, that the church goes to the grave and sheol to wait.

The first resurrection is a type, not a when. The first resurrection is bodily with an incorruptible body. The second death is of the spirit being cast into the lake of fire. The spirit is not given at the first resurrection. The GWT is not necessarily a bodily resurrection. The soul and spirit are cast into the Lake of Fire. If you want to add an eternal body, fine. Do some at the GWT get an incorruptible body, and live in the New Earth? After spending thousands of years in sheol can they change their mind and accept God's mercy and grace? Or will they still reject God and be removed from the book of life? Do all give an account? Do some reject their own rightness and turn to God on that day of the GWT?

Ephesians 2:4-6 clearly says because of Christ's resurrection the church is not waiting in sheol, but is currently with Christ, bodily in Paradise. THAT IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION = BODILY.

In reality, per Isaiah 25, and the end of Zechariah 14 with the unsaved nations, they will be in the body of incorruption after Jesus returns to reign for the 1,000 years. But it's their 'souls' that will still be in a liable to perish state throughout Christ's reign with His elect of the first resurrection. Those unsaved are "the dead" of Revelation 20:5 that live not again until after the 1,000 years. That idea of their living again is dependent upon accepting Jesus during the 1,000 years, and they will receive the "resurrection of life" type, their souls putting on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ. Those of the dead that still refuse Christ will then go into the lake of fire.

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Davy said:
Millennium Timing:
1. being dead = one's spirit/soul is still mortal and liable to die in the "lake of fire" at the "second death", the unsaved of that time.
2. the Living = those who will have put on immortality through Christ Jesus and will never die.

Thus the Revelation 20:5 verse really means, the unsaved, the spiritually dead, will not live again for the thousand years until they 'believe' on Christ Jesus and their soul is born again through Him. This is only hinted at though in Rev.20, because it mentions a FIRST resurrection.

Who are these spiritually mortal people that you're talking about who would be alive during a future thousand year period? Where does scripture mention them?

Likewise at the end of the 1,000 years, there will be at least one more 'resurrection of life' like the 1st one.

Where does it indicate that anyone will be resurrected at the end of the thousand years? It doesn't. All people will be resurrected after the thousand years and Satan's little season (Rev 20:7-9) on judgment day when Christ returns at the end of the age (John 5:28-29, Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 25:31-46).

During the 1,000 years, The Gospel will be accepted by many of those unsaved souls who NEVER had their opportunity to hear during this present world.

This is not taught anywhere in scripture. Show me the scripture which you think teaches this. Scripture never teaches that anyone will get a second chance at being saved after they physically die. Where did you hear of this heresy? Did you come up with it yourself?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

After people die they look forward to the judgment (with certain exceptions like those who haven't died when Christ returns, etc.). Scripture never teaches that there will be second chances at salvation.

And especially Israel in part which God blinded away from The Gospel so it would go to the Gentiles, per Romans 11, that will be their first opportunity to 'hear' The Gospel with eyes to see, and ears to hear, and believe. And many of them will believe on Jesus then (end of Zechariah 12).

This is heresy. Nowhere in scripture does it say those people will get a second chance at salvation. Scripture does not teach that they never heard it. They closed their own eyes to it (Matt 13:15).

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Preaching and teaching under Jesus our Boss will be the main duty of His elect priests in that time!

Ezek 44:23-25
23 And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments: and they shall keep My laws and My statutes in all Mine assemblies; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.
KJV

That prophecy also talks about animal sacrifices being performed for the atonement or reconciliation of the people. How can that be when the old covenant is obsolete and Jesus already made the "once for all" sacrifice for the sins of all people? Why are you so willing to draw conclusions from one passage that contradict other clear scriptures?

Davy · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
Who are these spiritually mortal people that you're talking about who would be alive during a future thousand year period? Where does scripture mention them?

Rev.20:5 about "the dead" which is about the unsaved nations...

Rev 20:7-8
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
KJV

Nowhere does that Rev.20 Scripture say those "nations" are suddenly resurrected just to be deceived by Satan at the end of the 1,000 years. Those are the unsaved. The end of Zechariah 14 even mentions a remnant of those armies that came upon Jerusalem on the last day of this world being left over into that time after Jesus has returned.

Zech 14:16
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

So go ahead, deny those nations exist during Christ's "thousand years" reign after His return.

Where does it indicate that anyone will be resurrected at the end of the thousand years? It doesn't.

That's just it. It doesn't. John 5:28-29 shows that "all in the graves" will hear Christ's voice and come forth, meaning on the day of Christ's 2nd coming, and both resurrection types happen right then, and all go through the "thousand years" reign on earth.

But the "lived not again" of Rev.20:5 about "the dead" (i.e., the unsaved of the nations), suggests at least another resurrection unto life for those who turn to Jesus in that future "thousand years". And we KNOW for sure there will be souls that turn to believe on Jesus Christ in that future time, because of Romans 11 about God blinding Israel in part so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. The majority of Jews today still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, because God blinded them. When Jesus comes, that blindness will be removed. Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect is when many of them will believe on Jesus...

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

Spiritual Jew · Nov 25, 2020

Davy said:
Rev.20:5 about "the dead" which is about the unsaved nations...

Rev 20:7-8
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
KJV

John was talking about people who were already dead at the time he wrote the book and who would die during the thousand years. Rev 20:7-8 is not referring to "the rest of the dead". That is quite a stretch. You have your own private interpretation here. Does God reveal things like this only to you? The rest of the dead are resurrected for the judgment as described in Rev 20:11-15. Those who die during Satan's little season would be resurrected at that time as well.

Nowhere does that Rev.20 Scripture say those "nations" are suddenly resurrected just to be deceived by Satan at the end of the 1,000 years. Those are the unsaved.

All of the dead get resurrected at the same general time as John 5:28-29 says. Why do you have anyone being resurrected before the day of judgment? Scripture never teaches such a thing.

The end of Zechariah 14 even mentions a remnant of those armies that came upon Jerusalem on the last day of this world being left over into that time after Jesus has returned.

Zech 14:16
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

So go ahead, deny those nations exist during Christ's "thousand years" reign after His return.

I deny that you are interpreting Zechariah 14 properly. You are interpreting it in such a way that contradicts a lot of other scripture.

That's just it. It doesn't. John 5:28-29 shows that "all in the graves" will hear Christ's voice and come forth, meaning on the day of Christ's 2nd coming, and both resurrection types happen right then, and all go through the "thousand years" reign on earth.

The day of Christ's coming is the day that the judgment occurs. Matthew 25:31-46 is the same judgment as Rev 20:11-15. So, how can these that are resurrected unto damnation continue living rather than being resurrected unto damnation in the lake of fire? That makes no sense.

But the "lived not again" of Rev.20:5 about "the dead" (i.e., the unsaved of the nations), suggests at least another resurrection unto life for those who turn to Jesus in that future "thousand years". And we KNOW for sure there will be souls that turn to believe on Jesus Christ in that future time, because of Romans 11 about God blinding Israel in part so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. The majority of Jews today still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, because God blinded them. When Jesus comes, that blindness will be removed. Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect is when many of them will believe on Jesus...

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

This contradicts Hebrews 9:27. There are no second chances for those who are dead. When they are resurrected they will be judged. Scripture clearly teaches this!

Davy · Nov 25, 2020

Spiritual Jew said:
Who are these spiritually mortal people that you're talking about who would be alive during a future thousand year period? Where does scripture mention them?

Also see the requirements Paul made in 1 Corinthians 15:53 to have eternal Life through Jesus Christ. Each MUST have their 'mortal' part put on 'immortality'. So how does the "second death" affect that? It means unsaved will still have 'mortal' souls that are liable to perish at the second death. Those are the nations that Satan will deceive one last time when he is loosed at the end of the thousand years.

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