Is There A Difference between Apostle and Disciple?

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When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?
 
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Hello you,

When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?

Apostle has more authority, it came from a word that describes someone who is like an envoy, emissary, herald, or ambassador.


While disciple simply refers that they were students, apprentices, personal followers of Jesus. I guess it emphasizes their personal relationship with him. Especially since a lot of the learning back then by Rabbis etc. was a kind of rote learning. But the length of time they spent with him, was much more like some of the younger prophets spent with their senior prophet mentor, or how young monks in later Christianity basically live with the senior monks that mentored them.


If you pay attention I think there are places that connotate the twelve as apostles, while the entire group of 70 followers as disciples. But that may not be consistent throughout the Gospels etc.
 
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When Jesus first called the twelve they had a discipleship relationship with Him because they were learning about God and so they were called disciples. When the risen Christ sent them out to to preach the gospel they were then called apostles which means "messenger".

Apostle must also have a wider meaning as well because Paul refers to himself as an apostle.
 
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Apostle has more authority, it came from a word that describes someone who is like an envoy, emissary, or ambassador.


While disciple simply refers that they were students, apprentices, personal followers of Jesus. I guess it emphasizes their personal relationship with him. Especially since a lot of the learning back then by Rabbis etc. was a kind of rote learning. But the length of time they spent with him, was much more like some of the younger prophets spent with their senior prophet mentor, or how young monks in later Christianity basically live with the senior monks that mentored them.


If you pay attention I think there are places that connotate the twelve as apostles, while the entire group of 70 followers as disciples. But that may not be consistent throughout the Gospels etc.

Great insight here. @Pavel Mosko

I believe they were the only 12 that were ever given any authority to give any commands anything out of any one when it came to their objective to keep the faith going, through in encouragement, and support writing letters to churches back in that day and time.

Which kept the church bride pure that Jesus Christ was coming back for. (Which in the end caused the destruction of priesthoods, and sacrifices back in that day.)

Disciple seems like more of a student if anything someone learning.

When Jesus first called the twelve they had a discipleship relationship with Him because they were learning about God and so they were called disciples. When the risen Christ sent them out to to preach the gospel they were then called apostles which means "messenger".

Apostle must also have a wider meaning as well because Paul refers to himself as an apostle.

Thank you for the insight @Hmmm! The Apostles were on a great mission to spread the news of the return of Christ Yeshua, along with the resurrection by God which had been made clear by the Lord showing himself again to the Apostles when they were in doubt after 3 days of not having communication with Lord.
 
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Definitions vary...

In modern times I have seen Him raise some up to be a Pastor to the Pastors.

I think of this as an Apostle role.

Frankly I think we are light years away from seeing the Church run as intended.

Never forget that the foundation of the Church should be Apostles and Prophets.

It is not really about titles but moving in obedience with the gifts He gives.
 
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That is amazing, Carl!
Luke 22
28“You are those who have stood by Me in My trials; 29and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you 30that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Definitions vary...

In modern times I have seen Him raise some up to be a Pastor to the Pastors.

I think of this as an Apostle role.

Frankly I think we are light years away from seeing the Church run as intended.

Never forget that the foundation of the Church should be Apostles and Prophets.

It is not really about titles but moving in obedience with the gifts He gives.

Carl, there are many teachers out there, but it is not an Apostle thing.

God has people who are able to prayerfully, seeking truth and trying to understand through the holy spirit and try to teach the best they can by it. Though some preach out contention, and some out of good will (Philippians 1:15).

The Apostles were chosen and given authority by God, to help the chosen nation of Israel and to keep the church out of sin, and having bishops who were blameless running and directing the church.

I believe all of the people were able to make it through until the Lords Day arriving were those chosen elect, holy people, that Paul wrote to, and those who were exiles in the asia minor areas and the things the New Testament mentions about these people.

I believe it all context fits with in it's context and those days are now over. And the churches will never be ran like was once taught by Paul, which he encouraged people to be during stressful and dangerous time getting in and out prisons, and believers being killed.

@Carl would you say we live in a different world way back since then?
 
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Well as persecution returns we better get back to the basics double quick - look at China... persecuted church - no buildings - Pastors imprisoned - Back to basics.

The church as we see it today will have to modify and return to the biblical model.
 
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Well as persecution returns we better get back to the basics double quick - look at China... persecuted church - no buildings - Pastors imprisoned - Back to basics.

The church as we see it today will have to modify and return to the biblical model.

You are right, we will have to meet all the doctrinal teachings Apostle Paul preached and taught, women gotta be quiet in the church, bishops must be blameless, women cant teach in churches whatever else commands that were made to keep the church completely pure.

Ive heard on Moody Radio about people in 3rd world countries who end up getting killed for their faith, but they are not afraid because of the living situations anyway. It is so common it is nothing new even though it is sad to see to them it just apart of life.
 
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Hello you,

When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?
This was written by a good friend of mine and I'm in 100% agreement which is why I posted his article.

It is sometimes claimed (for example, by the Mormon church, and by the Christian organization known as Gospel Outreach) that God intends for the church to have the office of apostle operative today. The Scriptures, however, indicate that the apostleship was strictly a first-century office.

Jesus trained the Twelve to be preachers, teachers, and evangelists for Him after His death and resurrection (John 14-17; Matthew 16:18-19; 18:17-18; etc.). The apostles would speak with authority, not only because they had the Holy Spirit teaching them, but also because they were eyewitnesses of the saving events of Christ's death and resurrection (John 14:26; 15:26-27).

The apostles, therefore, were trained by Jesus to play a vital and unrepeatable role in the history of the church. While the Holy Spirit still dwells in the church, there are no more apostles, since an apostle was required to have been an eyewitness of the resurrected Christ (Acts 1:21-26; 5:32; Luke 1:1-4; Ephesians 3:4-5; I Corinthians 9:1). Given the fact that no one living during the past eighteen centuries has seen the risen Jesus (despite the claims of persons such as Joseph Smith) it is impossible that during this period we should have "apostles."

The New Testament indicates rather clearly that the apostleship did end in the first century. In Paul's recounting of the resurrection appearances, he ends with his own, saying, "and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared also to me" (I Corinthians 15:8). Elsewhere, Paul speaks of the church as "having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone" (Ephesians 2:20). Just as we do not lay new cornerstones from time to time to replace the old one, so too, we do not lay a new foundation of apostles and prophets over and over. The foundation of the apostolic witness to Christ and the prophetic revelations which pointed to and interpreted the saving acts of Christ has been laid; it does not need to be laid again. Whenever teachers come along with "new revelations from God," they are attempting to lay a foundation which has already been laid (see I Corinthians 3:11).

It is sometimes argued that Paul clearly implies the perpetuity of apostles and prophets in Ephesians 4:11-13. On a superficial reading of the passage, it might seem to be saying that Christ gave apostles and prophets to the church "until we all attain to the unity of the faith," thus implying that these offices continue until the church is perfected. This interpretation is incorrect, though, for the following reasons:

(1) Paul has already set apostles and prophets in a class by themselves in Ephesians 2:20.

(2) If apostles and prophets were intended by Christ to continue until the church was perfected, how is it that a second generation of apostles was never chosen? Why did not the New Testament apostles appoint successors for themselves? And how is it that God's purpose in establishing the church could be so completely frustrated (Matthew 16:18; Jude 3)?

(3) The point of Ephesians 4:11-13 is that "the building up of the body of Christ" (vs. 12) will continue "until" the church is matured (vs. 13). The first-century apostles and prophets have fully "equipped" (vs. 12a) the church with the revelations given in the New Testament, combined with the Old Testament, so that all of the information the church needs to do its tasks is contained in Scripture (II Timothy 3:16-17).

The Epistle of Jude also bears witness to the first-century Christian conviction that the days of the apostles and of gospel revelations were foundational and not ongoing. Jude speaks of "the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). The expression "once for all" clearly indicates that the "delivery" of the faith is complete, so that we should not look for a new revelation. Indeed, the new teachings of certain persons (Jude 4) are condemned for this very reason. The way to avoid the trap of heresy, says Jude, is to "remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Jude 17). When Jude was writing, the apostles were either a phenomenon of the past, or were fast becoming so.

The apostle Peter also made it clear that he thought the apostolic period was ending in his day. II Peter appears to have been written by Peter as he awaited martyrdom. In this epistle, he does not urge his readers to look to the next apostle or apostles for leadership, but rather to remember the apostolic message after he is gone (II Peter 1:12-15). Like Jude, Peter warns of false teachers who will take advantage of the lack of apostolic presence, and "secretly introduce destructive heresies" (2:1). The solution, says Peter, is to "remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles" (3:2). They are to seek diligently to follow the teachings of the apostles, particularly Paul, despite the fact that he is often misinterpreted by "the untaught and unstable" (3:14-16). Therefore, Peter did not look for the continuation of apostolic authority, but rather for the church to follow what the departing apostles had taught. Like Jude, he does not say, "Listen to the apostles living today" (as the Mormons and other groups with apostles say), but instead urges us, "Remember what the apostles said."

That the apostleship was confined to the first-century church does not necessarily mean that only the Twelve and Paul were apostles. Barnabas (Acts 14:14) was certainly an apostle, as was Silas (I Thessalonians 2:6; cf. 1:1); Andronicus and Junia may also have been apostles (Romans 16:7). That Timothy is not included as an apostle in I Thessalonians 2:6 is implied by 3:1-2, where "we" means Paul and Silas distinct from Timothy. We know that Timothy was not an apostolic eyewitness of the risen Jesus, because he was led to Christ by Paul (I Timothy 1:12,18; II Timothy 1:2; 2:1-2). There is no reason to doubt that Barnabas, Silas, Andronicus, and Junia may not all have been among the over 500 witnesses to the resurrection of Christ (I Corinthians 15:6), and thus "apostles" in the strict sense.

Finally, the word "apostle" appears to be used in the sense of a church's missionary in Philippians 2:25 (of Epaphroditus, whom Paul calls "your apostle") and II Corinthians 8:23 ("apostles of the churches"). If so, though, these men have neither ecclesiastical authority nor revelational gifts; they are simply missionaries. This is not the sense in which "apostle" is used by those claiming to have restored the apostleship to the church.

We conclude, then, that the apostleship ended with the death of the apostles appointed by Christ Himself in the first century. With them died the authority to speak definitively for God. We should therefore reject the claims of any religious organization or teacher who claims that the office of apostle has been restored to the church today.

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Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?

It's not necessary that they were predestined, but the Twelve were certainly in a different category from the many disciples that Christ attracted. It was the Twelve Apostles whom Christ commissioned to launch his church and to preach to and baptize all nations (hence the term Apostle, one who is sent on a mission). Paul and Matthias are also considered to be Apostles.
 
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Carl, there are many teachers out there, but it is not an Apostle thing.

Teaching is a foundational gift. It appears in I think all 3 of the major lists of gifts, Ephesians, Romans, and somewhere else. I like to make this point because coming out of the Charismatic movement I have seen some teaching by "Prophets" who seem to be preaching on revelation or their presumed spiritual insight, but preaching things that are deeply flawed (sometimes even heretical) if you have studied the Bible or its context in depth. And some of those people are also "Apostles" from movements like NAR (the New Apostolic Reformation) etc. I was in that movement when it was mostly "The Prophetic Movement" in the 1990s, when folks had just started into getting into Apostles for a few years, after Bill Hamon the guy who really launched the Prophetic Movement with his books, and Bible Training Center released his 4th book in the series which promoted Apostles etc.


I have some personal differences with movements like this. People claim lots of things based on what they think "God is doing on the earth", especially based on scriptural texts. For myself I see a lot of present day significance in Malachi 4:5-6 (Elijah coming to turn the hearts of the Father and the Children). I believe their is much more of a role in what is called traditional Christianity etc. than what some would assume. Jesus in one of his parables spoke of treasures both "old" and "new", we are warned not to move ancient boundary stones and so on.
 
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Perhaps we also should note that it's only been recently that some denominations, etc. have selected the term "Apostle" for use by their own leaders.

"Evangelist" would seem to be a better one to use, but I think it doesn't have the luster or Biblical "ring" of the word Apostle.

The actual successors of the Apostles were and are the men who were specifically chosen by the Twelve to continue the work of the Apostles and who then passed it on to others.
 
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Revelation 4

4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.

@Albion and @Agallagher

I think their is something Typological about the apostles, Carl mentioned them as corresponding to the 12 tribes of Israel. But there is another typology to consider out of the Book of Revelation for the 24 elders in commentaries of places like the Orthodox Study Bible etc. is considered a typology of the Ecclesia / Church. Anyway, I think, you can argue that their is something deliberate going on as far as symbol crafting. Even when it is flawed by Judas, that fulfills other prophecies and typologies of the scape goat. And of course the symbol is restored by choosing Mattias by lots. It's funny all the preaching against that act by Charismatics (NAR especially) who believe it is was "a mistake" and believe Paul should have been chosen! They don't understand the kind of symbolic messages in the Bible!
 
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I think their is something Typological about the apostles, Carl mentioned them as corresponding to the 12 tribes of Israel.
Yes.

That -- the reason Christ called twelve men rather than some other number -- is the conventional view of the matter.
 
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The Primary sense of the word Apostle regarding its Office is described below. An Eyewitness of Christ and His Resurrection. Jesus personally appointed these men in the flesh, in Person.

Acts 1:21-22
Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."

Acts 5:29-32
Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead — whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

Luke 1:1-2
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.

1 Cor 9:1-2
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

1 Cor 15:3-9
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ

This office of Apostle died with John.

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Hello you,

When Jesus Christ chose his disciples, who ended up being hand picked by Yeshua, the Apostles, where they the ones given an authority to perform miracles? (This is excludes the later chosen disciple - that was cast lots for joining in with the group.)

Is there a difference between an Apostle and Disciple?

Were the 12 Jewish hand picked Apostles different than everyone else because they had been chosen; predestined?
The Apostle Paul makes a statement about two different kinds of apostles Galatians 1:1 ESV. "Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—".

He distinguishes between two different types of apostles, one is given authority through man, the other has his authority from Jesus Christ.
 
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