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You do realize there are two types of kings of the earth in Revelation, right? These mentioned in Revelation 1:5 are meaning the following type--- and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it(Revelation 21:24)---and are not also meaning these kings of the earth---and the kings of the earth---gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army(Revelation 19:19). Therefore, per Revelation 1:5, in context the kings of the earth meant are only meaning those of the saved, and not also of the unsaved.
I disagree. Why do you not accept the authority that Jesus Christ has right now as taught in scripture?

Matthew 28:18 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Do you believe that Jesus has all power in heaven and in earth as He said He does or not?

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Do you agree with Paul that God long ago set Jesus Christ as His own right hand in heaven "far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" and that God "put all things under His feet"?

To be prince of the kings of the earth is to be accepted and welcomed by the kings of the earth as their prince, and not instead rejected and unwelcome by the kings of the earth as their prince. But you would apparently have us believe both types of kings of the earth are meant in Revelation 1:5. If that is true, then the following in Revelation 1:5-6---and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father---should equally apply to the kings of the earth meant in Revelation 19:19.
That is your carnal understanding of what it means for Jesus to be the prince of the kings of the earth, but we have to accept what scripture teaches instead of changing it to say what we want it to say.

Scripture says that He is the prince or ruler over all of the kings of the earth. Can you accept that?

Scripture says that all power and authority in heaven and in earth was given to Jesus after He was resurrected. Can you accept that?

Scripture says that God set Jesus at His own right hand "far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named" and God "put all things under His feet"? Can you accept that?
 
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Ezekiel 47 is the greater detail. And that is for the coming Millennium, because Revelation 21:22 tells us no more temple with the new heavens and a new earth timing. Ezekiel 47 emphatically reveals God's River flowing out of a sanctuary, a temple, and its location is given in the middle east on earth. And by the way, Revelation 22:14-15 is Millennium timing, so thinking everything written in those Rev.21 & 22 has to be new heavens and new earth timing is not correct. We have to recognize the actual events described as God's Word reveals, not create our own systems of how these are written.
So, you see parallels between Revelation 20 and 22, but you can't allow for the possibility of any parallels between Revelation 19 and 20? Interesting.
 
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And by the way, Revelation 22:14-15 is Millennium timing, so thinking everything written in those Rev.21 & 22 has to be new heavens and new earth timing is not correct.


Can you show any Bible scholar on the planet who agrees with you on the points above, or is it your own private interpretation?


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Can you show any Bible scholar on the planet who agrees with you on the points above, or is it your own private interpretation?


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He just told me in another thread that he thinks the unsaved will be resurrected with spiritual bodies and then they will be on the earth even though scripture says they will be cast into the lake of fire (Matt 25:41, Rev 20:15). He definitely seems to have his own private interpretations.
 
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Can you show any Bible scholar on the planet who agrees with you on the points above, or is it your own private interpretation?


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boondoggle. What you are really implying is that you follow certain commentators that are new covenant theology movement and that justifies your position.
 
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Can you show any Bible scholar on the planet who agrees with you on the points above, or is it your own private interpretation?
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You mean you need a commentary of man to tell you what God's Word declares??

It's apparent you have not understood about the Millennial events written in Ezekiel 44 when there will be a separation between Christ's servants and the spiritually dead. That's who those outside the gates of the holy city represent in that future time, i.e., the nations of the unsaved. Those Rev.22:14-15 verses specifically is actually Rev.20 timing during Christ's "thousand years" reign.

You mean you're not familiar with this?...

Zech 14:16-20
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
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And nor do you probably understand this, which is for Christ's future Millennium reign...

Ezek 44:15-16
15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near to Me to minister unto Me, and they shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
16 They shall enter into My sanctuary, and they shall come near to My table, to minister unto Me, and they shall keep My charge.
KJV

Ezek 44:23-25
23 And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments: and they shall keep My laws and My statutes in all Mine assemblies; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.

KJV

In that future time, the idea of the 'dead' is about the unsaved, those who will still have mortal souls in liable to perish state in the "lake of fire" after... the "thousand years". That Ezekiel temple layout has NEVER appeared on earth to this day. In Ezekiel 47 is direct mention of God's River flowing out of that sanctuary of the future, and the many trees on either side of it bearing their fruits, with the leaves for medicine to the nations.

Obviously, you've never studied that, or saw the reference to sacrifices and just passed it off as history.
 
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You mean you need a commentary of man to tell you what God's Word declares??


If nobody else on the planet comes up with the same interpretation of a passage as you, that is a dead give away you have run off the road and into the ditch of private interpretation.

Otherwise, scripture does not mean what it says.

I am very familiar with Zechariah 14.

I also know who is the "tabernacle" of the New Covenant, and the "feast" we celebrate with Him.


The fulfillment of the master teacher is found in 1 John 2:27.


Christ is the final sacrifice for sin in the New Covenant.
See Hebrews 10:16-18.
Those that have to ignore the New Testament to make their doctrine work, cannot have the correct interpretation.

You might not believe how many New Covenant deniers are found on this forum.


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boondoggle. What you are really implying is that you follow certain commentators that are new covenant theology movement and that justifies your position.

Do you think that "movement" is found in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America?
I find the New Covenant in the notes that go with Daniel 9:27 in that Bible.

I cannot find what you claim about Daniel 9:27 anywhere, except from you.


Do you realize how much of what you are promoting is less than 200 years old, and is found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible?


Are you going to deny the New Covenant was fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?
(See Hebrews 9:15)


Do you think God is going back to the Sinai Covenant during a future time?

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Do you realize how much of what you are promoting is less than 200 years old, and is found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible?
The Scofield Reference Bible says that the Antichrist will be the King of Israel/messiah coming in his own name ? And distinguishes between the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation?
 
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The Scofield Reference Bible says that the Antichrist will be the King of Israel/messiah coming in his own name ? And distinguishes between the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation?

Not even Scofield or any other dispensationalized delusionist agrees with you.

No other person on the planet.
 
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Have you asked every person on the planet?


You are the one pushing an interpretation of Daniel 9:27 that none of us have heard of before.

It would be your responsibility to show it is not your own private interpretation, which would most definitely be a "boondoggle".


My interpretation is found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.



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The Scofield Reference Bible says that the Antichrist will be the King of Israel/messiah coming in his own name ? And distinguishes between the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation?


The Scofield Reference Bible has spread the Two Peoples of God doctrine like a virus throughout the United States.

It has become a form of Dual Covenant Theology, based on race.

Those promoting this doctrine have ignored Paul's warning against genealogies found in Titus 3:9.


Pastor Sam Adams reveals below the errors of Scofield's doctrine.
(2) Sam Adams - The Everlasting Gospel VS The False Gospels of C.I. Scofield - YouTube


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You are the one pushing an interpretation of Daniel 9:27 that none of us have heard of before.

It would be your responsibility to show it is not your own private interpretation, which would most definitely be a "boondoggle".


My interpretation is found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.



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It is up to you to show that Paul cancelled what God said in Ezekiel 39:7...

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
 
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Jesus fulfilled Ezekiel 39....but when a person holds tightly to the idea that ALL ancient biblical Israelites rejected Jesus....it may be difficult (or even impossible) to recognize as it conflicts with their belief.

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You mean you need a commentary of man to tell you what God's Word declares??

It's apparent you have not understood about the Millennial events written in Ezekiel 44 when there will be a separation between Christ's servants and the spiritually dead. That's who those outside the gates of the holy city represent in that future time, i.e., the nations of the unsaved. Those Rev.22:14-15 verses specifically is actually Rev.20 timing during Christ's "thousand years" reign.

You mean you're not familiar with this?...

Zech 14:16-20
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
KJV



And nor do you probably understand this, which is for Christ's future Millennium reign...

Ezek 44:15-16
15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of My sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from Me, they shall come near to Me to minister unto Me, and they shall stand before Me to offer unto Me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
16 They shall enter into My sanctuary, and they shall come near to My table, to minister unto Me, and they shall keep My charge.
KJV

Ezek 44:23-25
23 And they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments: and they shall keep My laws and My statutes in all Mine assemblies; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.

KJV

In that future time, the idea of the 'dead' is about the unsaved, those who will still have mortal souls in liable to perish state in the "lake of fire" after... the "thousand years". That Ezekiel temple layout has NEVER appeared on earth to this day. In Ezekiel 47 is direct mention of God's River flowing out of that sanctuary of the future, and the many trees on either side of it bearing their fruits, with the leaves for medicine to the nations.

Obviously, you've never studied that, or saw the reference to sacrifices and just passed it off as history.
Why do you believe that animal sacrifices will be reinstituted? Have you never read the book of Hebrews?

Are you somehow unaware that the purpose of the old covenant animal sacrifices was to foreshadow Christ's sacrifice (Hebrews 10)?

Are you somehow unaware that Christ's sacrifice ushered in the new covenant and made the old covenant obsolete (Heb 8-10)?

Do you think that Christ's "once for all" sacrifice will somehow no longer be sufficient at some point in the future?

Here is what the Ezekiel prophecy says the purpose of the animal sacrifices would be:

Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

In light of the fact that Christ's sacrifice already made reconciliation for all people's sins forever, why would animal sacrifices ever need to be made in the future to make reconciliation for people's sins? That would be an insult to Christ's sacrifice! Why would you believe such a thing?

In my view there are only two ways that we can interpret the prophecy without contradicting other scripture. One is to see it all as figurative language to figuratively describe how things will be on the new earth. The amount of detail in the prophecy regarding all the rituals to be performed and so on makes that a bit doubtful to me, but it's possible.

The other way is to see it as a conditional prophecy, which is how I interpret it.

The following indicates that the fulfillment of the Ezekiel prophecy was conditional upon the people of Israel of that time period repenting of their sins, which they did not do.

Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

This prophecy describes the temple that they could have had, but since they did not repent of their sins, an inferior temple ended up being built instead.
 
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We, the church, are God's people Israel.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
 
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The following indicates that the fulfillment of the Ezekiel prophecy was conditional upon the people of Israel of that time period repenting of their sins, which they did not do.
which they did not ALL do - but it's important (especially when speaking with futurists) to acknowledge there was a faithful remnant.

I got a bit zealous there and posted before I finished reading. I see your point now was:
This prophecy describes the temple that they could have had, but since they did not repent of their sins, an inferior temple ended up being built instead.​
 
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which they did not ALL do - but it's important (especially when speaking with futurists) to acknowledge there was a faithful remnant.

I got a bit zealous there and posted before I finished reading. I see your point now was:
This prophecy describes the temple that they could have had, but since they did not repent of their sins, an inferior temple ended up being built instead.​
I would think it would go without saying that I wasn't talking about literally all of them, but we do need to frequently spell things out to premils, so I get your point there.
 
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Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.
Out of context. In the previous verses, Paul was referring to them (Jews who were Christians trying to get gentiles to keep the Jewish laws) who were glorying in (boasting) that they were convincing the gentile Christians to do such.

Paul in v14 declared that he, a Jew, a former pharisees, "may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ".

And that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision meant anything in Christ. What counts is the new creation. i.e. being a new creation in Christ. The rule.

Then in v16, Paul was referring to his fellow Jews who preached what he said, in v15, the rule, calling them the Israel of God.
 
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