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JohnDB

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I'm glad they found something they both liked. But there is nothing in Christian ethics saying that boys have to like playing football and girls can't.
OK but that was his complaint...
He wanted to throw the football but she didn't want to.
Then he wanted to play baseball... again she didn't.
Wrestling? Nope.

So he came to me baffled. She asked him to play but then wouldn't play anything he suggested. And he had no idea about tea party...he didn't like tea.
What you are saying would have been lost on him and her both. They were just kids.
 
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So he came to me baffled. She asked him to play but then wouldn't play anything he suggested. And he had no idea about tea party...he didn't like tea.
What you are saying would have been lost on him and her both. They were just kids.
Why would little kids understand girls are different and not people are different? You say: not everyone likes the same things. But they can still be good friends. See if you can find something you both like.

His first experience was with a girl. But he could just as easily have been baffled when a boy didn't like the same things he did.
 
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Impossible. My son towers over me. (He's big)
I have only just wanted him happy, and successful. He is. He could have chosen any career to do. And he has. He is responsible for himself and his choices.
He doesn't get arrested or in trouble. He has a full time respectable job. He is respectful of others. He pays his bills. And most importantly he is happy. (I want him to date a little more but that's just me...he really doesn't listen to that kind of advice)

We aren't a family of scientists or trail blazers. There aren't many people like that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being average but unique. You however make it sound like failure. It isn't. We are a very happy family.

Sounds like you're an excellent parent who has set your son up for a great life. I'm not saying every kid should be aiming to win a Nobel, just that they start life with open eyes and a sense of opportunity (like you said, your son could have chosen any career he wanted).

What worries me is this idea that homeschooling or specific private schools that deliver very narrow educations are somehow a way to give kids a better chance. They can occasionally, but mostly they seem to be an attempt to shelter kids from exposure to the real world, and that's dangerous.
 
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Why would little kids understand girls are different and not people are different? You say: not everyone likes the same things. But they can still be good friends. See if you can find something you both like.
My son is big... always has been. He stood a head taller than her but they were the same age. He usually played with kids older than him and was kinda lost on the disparity. And she was wearing a play dress. The brother/sister pair across the street he thought were mean. (And two/three years older)
He understood that people are different. He just didn't understand that generally girls were different. Getting into some kind of gender equality neutrality mumbo jumbo would have been lost on him. Getting him set up to understand the differences between boys and girls and playing with them was important. I didn't live downtown but in a suburb on the edge of the county.
None of what you are promoting would have worked or been understood. My child didn't like tea and didn't want to play tea party. He did like football, soccer, and baseball. (Because that's what the other kids played and that was his experience)
She also was wearing a play dress. Nothing to it.
 
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Sounds like you're an excellent parent who has set your son up for a great life. I'm not saying every kid should be aiming to win a Nobel, just that they start life with open eyes and a sense of opportunity (like you said, your son could have chosen any career he wanted).

What worries me is this idea that homeschooling or specific private schools that deliver very narrow educations are somehow a way to give kids a better chance. They can occasionally, but mostly they seem to be an attempt to shelter kids from exposure to the real world, and that's dangerous.

Ok...
But kids still need the "R's" and history just to survive...
Social engineering in some kind of esoteric fashion is not going to be learned or understood.

All the "Dare" programs did was teach kids which recreational and illegal drugs were fun...the part about dangerous or harmful was lost on them.
That bit of social engineering was a huge failure. Just like some sort of gender neutral equality mumbo jumbo will be too.
 
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Ok...
But kids still need the "R's" and history just to survive...
Social engineering in some kind of esoteric fashion is not going to be learned or understood.

All the "Dare" programs did was teach kids which recreational and illegal drugs were fun...the part about dangerous or harmful was lost on them.
That bit of social engineering was a huge failure. Just like some sort of gender neutral equality mumbo jumbo will be too.

DARE was dumb, it was an extension of the zero tolerance policy approach that America seems to love so much and which usually results in negative outcomes. Schools at their heart though are always going to be about social engineering. We're putting kids into an environment where their behavior and personal skills are shaped in a direction that prepares them for entry into society.

This LGBT thing that seems to have enraged so many people is especially confusing, its literally just an attempt to steer kids into being more tolerant towards their classmates (and obviously people in their future lives) who are a bit different to them. That's supposed to be a positive thing, unless we're now in a world where discrimination and bullying are an intended goal.
 
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DARE was dumb, it was an extension of the zero tolerance policy approach that America seems to love so much and which usually results in negative outcomes. Schools at their heart though are always going to be about social engineering. We're putting kids into an environment where their behavior and personal skills are shaped in a direction that prepares them for entry into society.

This LGBT thing that seems to have enraged so many people is especially confusing, its literally just an attempt to steer kids into being more tolerant towards their classmates (and obviously people in their future lives) who are a bit different to them. That's supposed to be a positive thing, unless we're now in a world where discrimination and bullying are an intended goal.

I tend to think if they concentrated more on getting the kids to stop biting, scratching, or hitting each other that would be a lot better than anything else.
They ain't gotta play together but if they would stop fighting it would be better.

Maybe some lessons about how they aren't the most important person in the universe would be great.
 
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Trust me when I say that the payments were miscalculated, wrong, and it was a mess to get straightened out. They have taken months to get an answer to you for any question or service need. I get ten times the service out of my bank where I get car loans. Consequently they get paid back regularly and they are paid off consistently too.
I'm not saying that's not true. What I am saying is that the first person who would have qualified for forgiveness would have qualified after DeVos was appointed.
 
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One appellate court has already ruled on the bathroom issue for schools: Court rules 'resoundingly yes' for transgender rights in Gavin Grimm bathroom access battle. I'm guessing that this will end up at the Supreme Court, but as of now, the 4th and 11th courts have ruled in favor of trans access to the appropriate bathroom in schools. Since those circuits cover the areas of the country most likely to object, it would be reasonable for the President to say that current law supports the original Obama guidance. Ultimately, though, this is most likely to be resolved by courts, not the President. No doubt people will get mad at Biden, but he's the messenger. Trump's withdrawl of the guidance didn't stop the courts from deciding that it was right.

The Supreme Court did not pick up Grimm's case, leaving the win on his side.

The Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a legal battle over the rights of transgender students, handing a victory to Gavin Grimm over the Virginia school board that denied him the right to use the boys’ restroom.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they would have accepted the case.
 
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The Supreme Court did not pick up Grimm's case, leaving the win on his side.

The Supreme Court on Monday declined to hear a legal battle over the rights of transgender students, handing a victory to Gavin Grimm over the Virginia school board that denied him the right to use the boys’ restroom.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they would have accepted the case.
That leaves decisions of the circuit courts standing. The circuit courts that have ruled cover many of the areas that are most like to want to deny trans rights.
 
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