Daniel 2:44 The Kingdom That Breaks All Other Kingdoms

Spiritual Jew said:

It doesn't even come close to saying that. It's just saying that his sepulchre (or tomb), the place where his body was buried, was still around at the time Peter was speaking. It says nothing about David's earthly throne whatsoever.

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Exactly. But if we know (through Scripture) that David's throne would never lack a man sitting on it (Jeremiah 33:16-17; 2 Samuel 7:16).....and that Christ Jesus is the Son of David that is the promised descendant of David to sit on the everlasting throne(Matthew 1:1; 2 Samuel 7:15-16)....and Peter linked Jesus's resurrection (not a second coming) with the seating of Jesus on that throne.....it seems all the dots are connected there.

mkgal1 said:

Exactly. But if we know (through Scripture) that David's throne would never lack a man sitting on it (Jeremiah 33:16-17; 2 Samuel 7:16).....and that Christ Jesus is the Son of David that is the promised descendant of David to sit on the everlasting throne(Matthew 1:1; 2 Samuel 7:15-16)....and Peter linked Jesus's resurrection (not a second coming) with the seating of Jesus on that throne.....it seems all the dots are connected there.

Acts 2:30-31
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne.(h) Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ​

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Excellent compelling conclusive Scriptures, mkgal1. It is beyond clear that they are fulfilled solely and exclusively in Christ as the everlasting occupant of the throne of David in the heavens.

Spiritual Jew said:

What was it that David saw before where he spoke of the resurrection of Christ? I'll give you a hint. It was something that was just mentioned prior to verse 31. Breaking up verses 31 and 32 and separating them from the previous verses is a mistake on your part.

David, being a prophet, saw before that God had promised him to raise a direct descendant to his throne and then verse 31 says that he was speaking of the resurrection of Christ. That makes the resurrection of Christ the fulfillment of Christ being seated on David's throne.

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Amen brother.

Spiritual Jew said:

This is complete nonsense that no one can take seriously. To suggest that the coming of the Son of Man that occurs in Matthew 24:30-31 is a different coming of the Son of Man mentioned in Matthew 24:37, 39, 42, 44, 46 and 50 is laughable, at best, and will fool no one with any shred of discernment.

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You have a lot of hyperbola in your comment.

Examine the content. In Matthew 24:32-51, Jesus is addressing them who consider Jesus their Lord.

The Jews do not consider Jesus their Lord, so the message is not to them.

Jesus in Matthew 24:32-51 is to Christians. To know the season of His coming for them, the rapture, which no man knows the day nor hour - by the parable of the fig tree.

Douggg said:

You have a lot of hyperbola in your comment.

Examine the content. In Matthew 24:32-51, Jesus is addressing them who consider Jesus their Lord.

The Jews do not consider Jesus their Lord, so the message is not to them.

Jesus in Matthew 24:32-51 is to Christians. To know the season of His coming for them, the rapture, which no man knows the day nor hour - by the parable of the fig tree.

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Nope. You are probably the only person on the face of the earth who tries to say that the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:30 is a different coming of the Son of Man than the 6 references to the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:32-51. That is clearly a desperate attempt to keep your doctrine afloat.

Which of your 2 comings of the Son of Man do you think Matthew 25:1-13 refers to? Which of the 2 is Matthew 25:14-30 referring to? How about Matthew 25:31-46?

Spiritual Jew said:

Nope. You are probably the only person on the face of the earth who tries to say that the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:30 is a different coming of the Son of Man than the 6 references to the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:32-51. That is clearly a desperate attempt to keep your doctrine afloat.

Which of your 2 comings of the Son of Man do you think Matthew 25:1-13 refers to? Which of the 2 is Matthew 25:14-30 referring to? How about Matthew 25:31-46?

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Matthew 25:1-13 is a message to Christians. It simply means be looking for the rapture, and occupying oneself in doing the Lord's work.

I replied to you about the sheep and goats previously in another post.

Davy said:

The Jews are probably one of the most mixed up bunch on the planet!

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Yes indeed. They're so mixed up that their physical DNA is ubiquitous throughout the human race, as math and genetics and the Jews themselves tell us.

Their physical DNA avails nothing.

Their spiritual DNA avails everything.

Davy said:

So keep joking with us, to show how inventive you can be.

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Feel free to produce your own jokes and inventions.

Backed with credible evidence, of course.

Douggg said:

Matthew 25:1-13 is a message to Christians. It simply means be looking for the rapture, and occupying oneself in doing the Lord's work.

I replied to you about the sheep and goats previously in another post.

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What Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27 and Luke 21:25-28 (all parallel passages) is a message to Christians, also. There is only one future coming of the Son of Man.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

It's no wonder that you try to separate this passage from the rest of the Olivet Discourse. Since you are pre-trib, you had to try to find some way to keep your doctrine afloat since this passage obviously supports post-trib.

The rapture is even mentioned here, so this passage is overwhelming evidence for a post-trib rapture. Notice that it says the elect will be gathered "from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven". That is exactly what Paul taught here:

1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The souls of the dead in Christ in heaven are those who "sleep in Jesus" and are the ones that He will "bring with Him". These are the elect who are gathered from "the uttermost part of heaven". Those who are alive and remain are the elect who will be gathered from "the uttermost part of the earth".

The pre-trib doctrine makes people look forward to the easy way out instead of persevering to the end as scripture repeatedly admonishes us to do.

Revelation 2:10 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

James 1:12 12 Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Douggg said:

The Jews do not consider Jesus their Lord, so the message is not to them

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If a person views Scripture out of context - wrong conclusions will be drawn (for instance, writing in the wrong groups, like modern rabbinic Jews in place of Biblical Israelites).

There would be no Jesus.....no Church, if it weren't for the faithful Jewish remnant.

What modern-day Jews deny or believe doesn't affect our faith (those of us that hold to a historical view).

Spiritual Jew said:

What Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27 and Luke 21:25-28 (all parallel passages) is a message to Christians, also. There is only one future coming of the Son of Man.

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When Jesus returns, he puts an end to the great tribulation. The Jews will be believers in Jesus at that time, having turned to Jesus after their thought to be messiah betrays them. No-one is raptured at that time, but they escape harm by fleeing through the valley created by Jesus standing on the Mt. of Olives.

mkgal1 said:

If a person views Scripture out of context - wrong conclusions will be drawn (for instance, writing in the wrong groups, like modern rabbinic Jews in place of Biblical Israelites).

There would be no Jesus.....no Church, if it weren't for the faithful Jewish remnant.

What modern-day Jews deny or believe doesn't affect our faith (those of us that hold to a historical view).

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Obviously, I was referring to the vast majority of Jews who identify themselves with Judaism which rejects Jesus as the messiah, the rightful King of Israel.

Davy said:

You can twist Scripture all you want, but you will NEVER disprove what the Genesis 49:10 prophecy declares that the royal sceptre rule will remain with the seed of Judah (on earth) until Jesus returns, and to Him will the gathering of the people be.

2 Chron 6:16
16 Now therefore, O LORD God of Israel, keep with Thy servant David my father that which Thou hast promised him, saying, 'There shall not fail thee a man in My sight to sit upon the throne of Israel; yet so that thy children take heed to their way to walk in My law, as thou hast walked before Me.'
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Why would my Heavenly Father put that condition of David's throne being in His sight there? It's because He hid from those like yourself.

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The seed of Judah is the "spiritual unseen" seed of Christ the eternal seed. Not the fleshly seeds of the Son of man Jesus the chief apostle the temporal. The seed (one) not many. It worked in the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of the father. Just as it works in born again believers today.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

A Jew is not a Jew according to the outward flesh but one born again of the Spirit of Christ. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ then he simply does not belong to him .

Again all Israel is not born again Israel the bride of Christ the church The father renamed her Christian a more befitting name for all the nations that make up the one church the bride

Why glory in the flesh the temporal corrupted flesh of one nation as if God was served by human hands of any nation.

Siting in a chair does not make a authority David sen represented the unseen eternal Christ .He as the Son of God has no beginning of days or end of unseen spirit life.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which "are seen" are temporal; but the things which are "not seen" are eternal.

We walk or understand God by faith the eternal that works in us, not by sight the temporal, of us.

jgr said:

Yes indeed. They're so mixed up that their physical DNA is ubiquitous throughout the human race, as math and genetics and the Jews themselves tell us.

Their physical DNA avails nothing.

Their spiritual DNA avails everything.



Feel free to produce your own jokes and inventions.

Backed with credible evidence, of course.

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God is not a temporal man. He has no DNA .He remains without father or mother or genealogy as beginning of Spirit life or end there of. He is the faithful creator of DNA .The eternal invisible Spirit

Let there be DNA rudiments of this world, and there was clay. Dust and water

Spiritual Jew said:

Nope. You are probably the only person on the face of the earth who tries to say that the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:30 is a different coming of the Son of Man than the 6 references to the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24:32-51. That is clearly a desperate attempt to keep your doctrine afloat.

Which of your 2 comings of the Son of Man do you think Matthew 25:1-13 refers to? Which of the 2 is Matthew 25:14-30 referring to? How about Matthew 25:31-46?

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Son of man speaks of the corrupted flesh used to outwardly demonstrate the works of the Father not seen and the Son of man seen. Of that flesh Jesus's He said it to include his own profits for zero .

It was the Spirit of Christ that worked in him a apostle just as it works in all apostles as sons of God that the Spirit of Christ works in to both will and empower to finish the work of the father .

The same treasure that worked in the Son of man Jesus earthen body of death works in us . Jesus did the will of the Father not seen. Of his own flesh he had no power.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

In that way our father address all believers as sons of man pertaining to the flesh seen "sent ones" (apostles) .Son of man defines those who speak on behalf of the unseen Holy Father and not their own will or thoughts

Ezekiel 33:2 King James Version (KJV) Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

Before Jesus the Son of man left never to come again he left clear commandments that inform us even though some did experience the Son of man witnessing doing the will of the unseen father .

The one time propmised outward demonstration was over. The kingdom of God does not come by observing the temporal things of this corrupted dying creation.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now "henceforth" know we him no more.

Again the one time propmised outward demonstration, (propmised in Isiah 53 is over.) Why gaze at the sky? Walk by faith the unseen eternal

The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God who is not a man will come as a thief in the night on the last day .We can watch for Him but he will still come in a time frame not-revealed .

mkgal1 said:

"Exalted to the right hand of the Father....." (v. 33)

Jeremiah 33:17
For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel
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There hasn't been a throne of David on earth since the Israelites were taken into captivity by the Babylonians - so either the promise of God to David wasn't true....or the throne is not on earth.....but at the right hand of the Father as Scripture states.

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So you say, which is what those who don't understand the prophecy think.

mkgal1 said:

I don't see how that's interpreted to mean David's throne is on earth. That seems to completely miss Peter’s clear point.

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You of course left out the verses that go with that which declare Jesus on the right hand of The Father, and the Scripture examples I posted where Jesus gave the condition when He will sit in His throne. Thus you deny Scripture in favor of our own agenda.

garee said:

The seed of Judah is the "spiritual unseen" seed of Christ the eternal seed. Not the fleshly seeds of the Son of man Jesus the chief apostle the temporal. The seed (one) not many. It worked in the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of the father. Just as it works in born again believers today.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

A Jew is not a Jew according to the outward flesh but one born again of the Spirit of Christ. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ then he simply does not belong to him .

Again all Israel is not born again Israel the bride of Christ the church The father renamed her Christian a more befitting name for all the nations that make up the one church the bride

Why glory in the flesh the temporal corrupted flesh of one nation as if God was served by human hands of any nation.

Siting in a chair does not make a authority David sen represented the unseen eternal Christ .He as the Son of God has no beginning of days or end of unseen spirit life.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which "are seen" are temporal; but the things which are "not seen" are eternal.

We walk or understand God by faith the eternal that works in us, not by sight the temporal, of us.

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Jesus already showed when He will literally sit upon the throne of David, so try and argue with Him about it...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
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Douggg said:

When Jesus returns, he puts an end to the great tribulation. The Jews will be believers in Jesus at that time, having turned to Jesus after their thought to be messiah betrays them. No-one is raptured at that time, but they escape harm by fleeing through the valley created by Jesus standing on the Mt. of Olives.

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Are you saying you think they will become believers in Jesus when He returns? If so, that is false. It will be too late at that point.

2 Thess 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

Davy said:

Jesus already showed when He will literally sit upon the throne of David, so try and argue with Him about it...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
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This says nothing about the throne of David. That is speaking about the judgment seat/throne of Christ (2 Cor 5:10, Romans 14:10, Matt 25:31-46) which is not David's throne. Please stop making things up. As Acts 2:29-36 makes clear, Jesus is on David's throne in heaven at the right hand of the Father right now. It's a spiritual and heavenly throne. You need to stop thinking carnally.

garee said:

Son of man speaks of the corrupted flesh used to outwardly demonstrate the works of the Father not seen and the Son of man seen. Of that flesh Jesus's He said it to include his own profits for zero .

It was the Spirit of Christ that worked in him a apostle just as it works in all apostles as sons of God that the Spirit of Christ works in to both will and empower to finish the work of the father .

The same treasure that worked in the Son of man Jesus earthen body of death works in us . Jesus did the will of the Father not seen. Of his own flesh he had no power.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

In that way our father address all believers as sons of man pertaining to the flesh seen "sent ones" (apostles) .Son of man defines those who speak on behalf of the unseen Holy Father and not their own will or thoughts

Ezekiel 33:2 King James Version (KJV) Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

Before Jesus the Son of man left never to come again he left clear commandments that inform us even though some did experience the Son of man witnessing doing the will of the unseen father .

The one time propmised outward demonstration was over. The kingdom of God does not come by observing the temporal things of this corrupted dying creation.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now "henceforth" know we him no more.

Again the one time propmised outward demonstration, (propmised in Isiah 53 is over.) Why gaze at the sky? Walk by faith the unseen eternal

The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God who is not a man will come as a thief in the night on the last day .We can watch for Him but he will still come in a time frame not-revealed .

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What is your religion? Who is Jesus to you? Do you believe He is God? You do not appear to be a Christian based on what you're saying here. Your post is full of false teaching and heresy. Jesus is coming again and we will see Him face to face. To say otherwise is heresy.