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28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Now we know that Peter references this on Pentecost in Acts 2, and in some ways it was a fulfillment, at least partially.
But you see now a lot of people having a bunch of weird end times related dreams now, is it a second fulfillment? Is God pouring out His spirit on all flesh now?
Last night I had a weird dream myself, about a rain storm, it seemed like a normal rainstorm, but the raindrops hit my skin and became blood, my forearms were covered in blood, and people that brought me to faith who I haven't seen personally in several years, also showed blood where the rain hit their skin (but not their clothes), but people who I know rejected the gospel, most notably my mother, it was just water to them. They could see the blood on us as blood, but on their skin it was just water. But everyone in the dream, knew something big was coming, when I woke up. The scariest thing was.. when I was trying to explain to my mother that it meant we were covered by the blood of Christ, and she needed to be saved, she seemed annoyed and just walked away (like she always does when I try to share the gospel with her, she's fine with me believing it but she refuses)
 

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Hi I will pray for your mom this week.

I like the passage and agree that those days started back in Acts but we are near to Joel 3 and the fulfillment of so many prophecies. The fact is the prophecies of the Bible are not lacking in any way as far as knowing what is coming and how to prepare our hearts and live our lives in these times. These times also come with many warnings about not being deceived by false prophets and lying signs. So as for Joel 2 in these days speaking forth what God's word has declared and then encouraging one another and warning others of the judgement at hand is a safe agenda. Many will have new revelation and claim it is a direct word from God. This can be dangerous and many have been taken in with these things. Your dream is interesting and moving that you remember your own path to faith and now are burdened for your mom.
 
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Hi I will pray for your mom this week.

I like the passage and agree that those days started back in Acts but we are near to Joel 3 and the fulfillment of so many prophecies. The fact is the prophecies of the Bible are not lacking in any way as far as knowing what is coming and how to prepare our hearts and live our lives in these times. These times also come with many warnings about not being deceived by false prophets and lying signs. So as for Joel 2 in these days speaking forth what God's word has declared and then encouraging one another and warning others of the judgement at hand is a safe agenda. Many will have new revelation and claim it is a direct word from God. This can be dangerous and many have been taken in with these things. Your dream is interesting and moving that you remember your own path to faith and now are burdened for your mom.

Yeah, no specifics on what exactly was coming but just a sense of foreboding, and a clear picture of what separated some people from others. The people that were with me, was the family that lived next door to me growing up, they had children about the same age as myself and my sister so our families became very close, even though they were believers and my family was not, and of course, none of that was accidental, they're like family to me.
 
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Now we know that Peter references this on Pentecost in Acts 2, and in some ways it was a fulfillment, at least partially.
But you see now a lot of people having a bunch of weird end times related dreams now, is it a second fulfillment? Is God pouring out His spirit on all flesh now?
Last night I had a weird dream myself, about a rain storm, it seemed like a normal rainstorm, but the raindrops hit my skin and became blood, my forearms were covered in blood, and people that brought me to faith who I haven't seen personally in several years, also showed blood where the rain hit their skin (but not their clothes), but people who I know rejected the gospel, most notably my mother, it was just water to them. They could see the blood on us as blood, but on their skin it was just water. But everyone in the dream, knew something big was coming, when I woke up. The scariest thing was.. when I was trying to explain to my mother that it meant we were covered by the blood of Christ, and she needed to be saved, she seemed annoyed and just walked away (like she always does when I try to share the gospel with her, she's fine with me believing it but she refuses)

Acts 2:16
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

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19th century Christian Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger pointed to the "this is that" phrase to mean Peter was saying the cloven tongue of Pentecost was an 'example' of the Joel 2 prophecy, which meant to look at what timing the Joel 2 prophecy is actually meant for, i.e., for the very end of this world, not in the Apostle's days nor Pentecost in Acts 2, but in the days immediately prior to Christ's 2nd coming. Thus the dreams and visions should be happening as we get closer to Christ's return. And during the coming tribulation, some of Christ's elect are to be delivered up and give a Testimony for Him by The Holy Spirit, which will ultimately be what the cloven tongue is for in that last days just prior to the "day of the Lord" with Jesus' coming.
 
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Acts 2:16
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

KJV

19th century Christian Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger pointed to the "this is that" phrase to mean Peter was saying the cloven tongue of Pentecost was an 'example' of the Joel 2 prophecy, which meant to look at what timing the Joel 2 prophecy is actually meant for, i.e., for the very end of this world, not in the Apostle's days nor Pentecost in Acts 2, but in the days immediately prior to Christ's 2nd coming. Thus the dreams and visions should be happening as we get closer to Christ's return. And during the coming tribulation, some of Christ's elect are to be delivered up and give a Testimony for Him by The Holy Spirit, which will ultimately be what the cloven tongue is for in that last days just prior to the "day of the Lord" with Jesus' coming.
If that was true then it would say "this is LIKE that" instead of "this IS that". At the very least, what happened on the day of Pentecost was the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecy. Can you at least acknowledge that much?
 
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If that was true then it would say "this is LIKE that" instead of "this IS that". At the very least, what happened on the day of Pentecost was the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecy. Can you at least acknowledge that much?
I think a lot of prophecies have near future "type" fulfillments along with end times fulfillments. Joel 2:28 is one of them. It was very obviously fulfilled on pentecost but it seems like as we approach the 70th week it is being fulfilled again.
 
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I think a lot of prophecies have near future "type" fulfillments along with end times fulfillments. Joel 2:28 is one of them. It was very obviously fulfilled on pentecost but it seems like as we approach the 70th week it is being fulfilled again.
I believe the 70th week was fulfilled by Christ long ago, but we don't have to go into that here since this thread isn't about that.

I'll pray for your mom. Don't give up on her. Even if it seems like she is rejecting everything you're saying it doesn't mean she isn't thinking about it.
 
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I believe the 70th week was fulfilled by Christ long ago, but we don't have to go into that here.

I'll pray for your mom. Don't give up on her. Even if it seems like she is rejecting everything you're saying it doesn't mean she isn't thinking about it.
Jesus was cut off halfway into the 69th week.
the 70th week brings an end to transgression. That has not happened yet.
 
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Jesus was cut off halfway into the 69th week.
the 70th week brings an end to transgression. That has not happened yet.
Okay, so I guess you do want to discuss it. That's your choice.

No, He was cut off halfway into the 70th week. It very clearly indicates that He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week, so I have no idea how you conclude that He was cut off in the middle of the 69th week.

Daniel 9:26 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Notice that there is first a 7 week time period and then after that a 62 week time period. Then it says AFTER the 62 weeks (which follow the first 7 weeks, so it's saying AFTER the 69th week) shall Messiah be cut off. It couldn't be more clear.

I believe the end of transgression has to do with Jesus putting an end to the penalty of transgressions and sins with His death and resurrection.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Romans 4:6 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
 
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Okay, so I guess you do want to discuss it. That's your choice.

No, He was cut off halfway into the 70th week. It very clearly indicates that He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week, so I have no idea how you conclude that He was cut off in the middle of the 69th week.

Daniel 9:26 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Notice that there is first a 7 week time period and then after that a 62 week time period. Then it says AFTER the 62 weeks (which follow the first 7 weeks, so it's saying AFTER the 69th week) shall Messiah be cut off. It couldn't be more clear.

I believe the end of transgression has to do with Jesus putting an end to the penalty of transgressions and sins with His death and resurrection.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Romans 4:6 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the one whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
In the Hebrew they count the themselves within the day, it's a different time reckoning. In our culture if we say "3 days from now" we mean the next morning counts as day 1, then day 2, then day 3. Hebrew reckoning when they say "3 days from now" would count that current day as day 1, even if it's right before sunset (where the Hebrew day ends and a new one begins), the next day is the 2nd day, the way they reckon time also involves the start of a day, rather than the end of a day. If we say after the 3rd day, then that means it happens the 4th day out.if I say on Monday that I'm going to do something after 3 days, that means I'll be doing it on Friday. Because I won't be counting Monday, the count starts the next day, and "after" means at the conclusion of the 3rd day, meaning at the end of 3 days, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'll do it on Friday.
Hebrew Reckoning, I'd be counting Monday as the first day, and I'd be doing it after the start of the 3rd day, not after the conclusion of the 3rd day. So I'd actually be doing what I said I'd do after 3 days, on Wednesday, not Friday. It'd be sometime on that Wednesday.
By that same reckoning, what happened with Jesus happened after the start of the 69th week. Not after the end of the 69th week.
With that in mind.. Hosea 6:2 suddenly makes sense in more ways than one.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Of course, it makes sense in the sense that Jesus was raised up on the 3rd day.
But the second meaning, can be using Israel as a country to be a second fulfillment. It was destroyed, and about 1900 years later, it was revived (seeing 1 day is to 1000 years (2 Peter 3:8). So by their reckoning after the start of the 2nd day, Israel was revived (close to the third day, and within a generation that shall not pass), and on the third day after the return of Christ, they will be raised up and live in His sight.
By our western reckoning. That prophecy could have nothing to do with Israel at all, because Israel was resurrected before 2000 years after it was destroyed, so the timing would be completely off, and the revival of israel and the raising up to live in God's sight would both have to take place after 2070, but before 3070.

To show this reckoning in action.... Jesus said He'd be resurrected after 3 days (Mark 8:31). Jesus was Crucified on Friday, He was resurrected on Sunday.
That shows that the "After" means after the start, and also that the first day, is the day He was crucified itself on that day. Not our western reckoning that would count Saturday as the first day, and Jesus would have risen on Tuesday.
 
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In the Hebrew they count the themselves within the day, it's a different time reckoning. In our culture if we say "3 days from now" we mean the next morning counts as day 1, then day 2, then day 3. Hebrew reckoning when they say "3 days from now" would count that current day as day 1, even if it's right before sunset (where the Hebrew day ends and a new one begins), the next day is the 2nd day, the way they reckon time also involves the start of a day, rather than the end of a day. If we say after the 3rd day, then that means it happens the 4th day out.if I say on Monday that I'm going to do something after 3 days, that means I'll be doing it on Friday. Because I won't be counting Monday, the count starts the next day, and "after" means at the conclusion of the 3rd day, meaning at the end of 3 days, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, I'll do it on Friday.
Hebrew Reckoning, I'd be counting Monday as the first day, and I'd be doing it after the start of the 3rd day, not after the conclusion of the 3rd day. So I'd actually be doing what I said I'd do after 3 days, on Wednesday, not Friday. It'd be sometime on that Wednesday.
By that same reckoning, what happened with Jesus happened after the start of the 69th week. Not after the end of the 69th week.
With that in mind.. Hosea 6:2 suddenly makes sense in more ways than one.

Of course, it makes sense in the sense that Jesus was raised up on the 3rd day.
But the second meaning, can be using Israel as a country to be a second fulfillment. It was destroyed, and about 1900 years later, it was revived (seeing 1 day is to 1000 years (2 Peter 3:8). So by their reckoning after the start of the 2nd day, Israel was revived (close to the third day, and within a generation that shall not pass), and on the third day after the return of Christ, they will be raised up and live in His sight.
By our western reckoning. That prophecy could have nothing to do with Israel at all, because Israel was resurrected before 2000 years after it was destroyed, so the timing would be completely off, and the revival of israel and the raising up to live in God's sight would both have to take place after 2070, but before 3070.
I'm sorry, but none of that makes any sense to me. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
 
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I'm sorry, but none of that makes any sense to me. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

Since you probably won't read the edit I'll just show it again.
Mark 8:31 Jesus says He'll be killed and after 3 days rise again.
Jesus was killed on Friday, and was resurrected on Sunday.
by our way of reckoning time "after 3 days" it would have been resurrecting on Tuesday, which is after the conclusion of the 3rd day after Jesus was killed.
But to the Hebrew reckoning day 1 was the day He was killed. Day 2 was Saturday, and after the start of the 3rd day was Sunday, when He was risen.
 
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Since you probably won't read the edit I'll just show it again.
Mark 8:31 Jesus says He'll be killed and after 3 days rise again.
Jesus was killed on Friday, and was resurrected on Sunday.
by our way of reckoning time "after 3 days" it would have been resurrecting on Tuesday, which is after the conclusion of the 3rd day after Jesus was killed.
But to the Hebrew reckoning day 1 was the day He was killed. Day 2 was Saturday, and after the start of the 3rd day was Sunday, when He was risen.
Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me. But, that's okay. Agree to disagree. This thread isn't really about that, anyway. Like I said, I'll pray for your mom. There's still hope for her.
 
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Nope, still doesn't make any sense to me. But, that's okay. Agree to disagree. This thread isn't really about that, anyway. Like I said, I'll pray for your mom. There's still hope for her.
This thread is about prophetic fulfillment though and if you are a preterist then yeah, you won't believe in prophetic fulfillment.

But btw, if you apply our reckoning of "after 3 days", then Jesus wouldn't be the Messiah, because He rose on Sunday (which to us would just be "the day after tomorrow" or "after 1 day"), not Monday or Tuesday depending on if you count the Friday He died or or not.
Note the gospels use "in three days" and "after three days" interchangeably.
Matthew 26:61, Matthew 27:63
Not to mention. If Jesus' crucifixion happened during the 70th week, that'd make it the abomination of desolation.... and I don't think you mean to say that.
 
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This thread is about prophetic fulfillment though and if you are a preterist then yeah, you won't believe in prophetic fulfillment.
I'm not a preterist. But not a futurist, either. I'm an amillennialist and my view is closest to the idealist view rather than preterist, futurist or historicist. I see no basis for being extreme either way. Some prophecies were fulfilled when Christ came. The prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings was fulfilled in 70 AD. Some prophecies have ongoing fulfillments throughout history. Some are future. Seeing everything, or almost everything, as being fulfilled already or seeing almost nothing as being fulfilled yet just causes a lot of contradictions.

But btw, if you apply our reckoning of "after 3 days", then Jesus wouldn't be the Messiah, because He rose on Sunday (which to us would just be "the day after tomorrow" or "after 1 day"), not Monday or Tuesday depending on if you count the Friday He died or or not.
Note the gospels use "in three days" and "after three days" interchangeably.
Matthew 26:61, Matthew 27:63
Not to mention. If Jesus' crucifixion happened during the 70th week, that'd make it the abomination of desolation.... and I don't think you mean to say that.
I just completely disagree with your interpretation. Jesus fulfilled everything in the prophecy. He confirmed the new covenant with His shed blood long ago.
 
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I'm not a preterist. But not a futurist, either. I'm an amillennialist and my view is closest to the idealist view rather than preterist, futurist or historicist. I see no basis for being extreme either way. Some prophecies were fulfilled when Christ came. The prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings was fulfilled in 70 AD. Some prophecies have ongoing fulfillments throughout history. Some are future. Seeing everything, or almost everything, as being fulfilled already or seeing almost nothing as being fulfilled yet just causes a lot of contradictions.

I just completely disagree with your interpretation. Jesus fulfilled everything in the prophecy. He confirmed the new covenant with His shed blood long ago.
I agree that He fulfilled the new covenant but, the prophecy about Him rising after the third day, has to be reckoned properly by Hebrew means not our modern western means, or it wasn't the third day but the second, and it wasn't after it was on.
70AD was also not the 70th week. If the 70th week actually took place when Jesus died on the cross, then it would have been AD 33-34 or AD 37-38 that would have been the end of the world.
The way most people understand it, Jesus was crucified at the midpoint of the 69th week, and 3 years afterward, the prophetic calendar kind of paused, because this was now the times of the Gentiles, once we reach the fullness of the Gentiles.. that's when week 70 starts, which is a mirror image of week 69, with instead of the crucifixion happening at the midpoint, the abomination of desolation takes place at the midpoint. Romans 11:25 is the basis of that pause for the gentiles and then resumption when Israel is no longer blinded.
The fact that you can show a Jew Isaiah 53 and it means nothing to them, shows that the partial blindness is still in effect.
I think that we're coming up on the 70th week, and as a result, that blindness will end (at the abomination of desolation most likely), and I also think because we're coming up on the 70th week, that Joel 2:28 is happening too. 2020 has just been a wild year of people having all kinds of weird end of days dreams, rapture dreams, dreams of asteroids, etc. The kinds of dreams that leave people thinking about them all day.
I'll keep trying on my mom and, my sister, who in the dream said she was saved but was indoors when the rain fell, so she was not covered in blood and I couldn't tell if she really was or not.
 
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I agree that He fulfilled the new covenant but, the prophecy about Him rising after the third day, has to be reckoned properly by Hebrew means not our modern western means, or it wasn't the third day but the second, and it wasn't after it was on.
70AD was also not the 70th week.
I didn't say 70 AD was the 70th week. What happened then was a result of what happened in the 70th week (the Jews were punished for rejecting Christ), but it wasn't the 70th week.

The way most people understand it, Jesus was crucified at the midpoint of the 69th week, and 3 years afterward, the prophetic calendar kind of paused, because this was now the times of the Gentiles, once we reach the fullness of the Gentiles.. that's when week 70 starts, which is a mirror image of week 69, with instead of the crucifixion happening at the midpoint, the abomination of desolation takes place at the midpoint.
No, that is not how most people understand it. Where do you get that idea from? The idea of a large gap between the 69th and 70th weeks makes no sense whatsoever. There is no basis for it at all. There is no indication whatsoever within the prophecy itself that there would be any gap between any of the 70 weeks, let alone a large gap between the 69th and 70th weeks.
 
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Jesus was cut off halfway into the 69th week.

Impossible. Messiah is said to arrive after 7 AND 62 weeks...,


Dan 9
25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks



Thats 69 weeks will pass and then Messiah will arrive and be anointed to complete the task of the 70th week...,


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the 70th week brings an end to transgression. That has not happened yet.
End Quote.

The 70th week would bring Atonement through his blood shed on the cross.....,
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, so he has already shed it Brother.


24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.


Surely you believe that Jesus has made atonement already.
All of those points happen in the 70th week so all are in the past.

70 weeks are decreed not 69 for atonement and Jesus completed the work that the Father gave him to do.


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17 Jesus spoke these things; and raising His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, so that the Son may glorify You, 2 just as You gave Him authority over all mankind, so that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth by accomplishing the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
 
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Impossible. Messiah is said to arrive after 7 AND 62 weeks...,


Dan 9
25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks



Thats 69 weeks will pass and then Messiah will arrive and be anointed to complete the task of the 70th week...,


Quote Jamdoc
the 70th week brings an end to transgression. That has not happened yet.
End Quote.

The 70th week would bring Atonement through his blood shed on the cross.....,
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, so he has already shed it Brother.


24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,
to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.


Surely you believe that Jesus has made atonement already.
All of those points happen in the 70th week so all are in the past.

70 weeks are decreed not 69 for atonement and Jesus completed the work that the Father gave him to do.


Jn
17 Jesus spoke these things; and raising His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, so that the Son may glorify You, 2 just as You gave Him authority over all mankind, so that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth by accomplishing the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

All doctrines related to the Great Tribulations are based on Daniel's 70th week, and in using Daniel and Revelation as companion prophetic books. If Daniel has nothing to do with the end times and Revelation, then all parallels about the 3.5 years, are merely coincidences, and the abomination of desolation, isn't even a sign that we should be watching for before the return of Jesus, even though He told us specifically to watch for that particular sign.
 
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All doctrines related to the Great Tribulations are based on Daniel's 70th week, and in using Daniel and Revelation as companion prophetic books. If Daniel has nothing to do with the end times and Revelation, then all parallels about the 3.5 years, are merely coincidences, and the abomination of desolation, isn't even a sign that we should be watching for before the return of Jesus, even though He told us specifically to watch for that particular sign.
He told the Jews living at that time to watch for that sign. In the parallel passage of Luke 21:20-24, it's indicated that what they were supposed to watch for was Jerusalem being surrounded by armies. That is exactly what happened around 70 AD when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem and then attacked and destroyed the city and the temple buildings just as Jesus said would happen (Luke 19:41-44, Matt 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:5-6;21-24).

What many miss is that Jesus was asked 2 questions and they were about 2 different events. The first related to when the temple buildings would be destroyed. Remember, Jesus very specifically told the disciples that the temple buildings would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. That is exactly what happened in 70 AD.

But, He was also asked about His coming and the end of the age which has not yet occurred. His second coming is for the church, so the events of His second coming center around the church and not Jerusalem and Israel.
 
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