Climate Change Is Driving Me Nuts

Introverted1293 · Nov 23, 2020

RDKirk said:
The US Navy is already developing time tables by which it will have to abandon certain East Coast bases because of rising waters.

Wow

That is scary. It is changing fast.

Ophiolite · Nov 23, 2020

RDKirk said:
The US Navy is already developing time tables by which it will have to abandon certain East Coast bases because of rising waters.

Do you have a link for that? It's interesting.

sparow · Nov 24, 2020

Speedwell said:
H. G. Wells was not a "famous American." He was born in Britain and lived there all of his life.

Well I am sorry, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups, I have heard of him starting a stampede in the US, when he presented his "WAR OF THE PLANETS" or maybe it s WORLDS on the Lux hour (radio), one million Americans thought they were under attack from Mars, and took evasive action. probably before my time but I used to listen to the Lux Hour when I was thirteen.

sjastro · Nov 24, 2020

sparow said:
Well I am sorry, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups, I have heard of him starting a stampede in the US, when he presented his "WAR OF THE PLANETS" or maybe it s WORLDS on the Lux hour (radio), one million Americans thought they were under attack from Mars, and took evasive action. probably before my time but I used to listen to the Lux Hour when I was thirteen.

Orson Welles.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 24, 2020

sjastro said:
Orson Welles.

To be fair it was Orson Welles' radio script based on HG Wells' novel.

But there was no panic. That's just an urban myth.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 24, 2020

sparow said:
Originally an atheist was an inert but in these enlightened times the Atheist is typically proactive. Now about your question, “why your rejection of law and deity is relevant to something that does not exist, such as my wild fantasy”. The new world order or global government is essentially an Atheist thing in opposition to God, although the Anglican Fabians and the Roman Illuminati are not strangers to it.

“<<There is no "new world order" international conspiracy. (Plus wasn't that a 1990s invention anyway. This was 40 years earlier.)>> This is an amazing statement from an Atheist. “

1928 THE OPEN CONSPIRACY: Blue Print for a World Revolution, by H. G. Wells, is published. A former Fabian socialist, Wells writes, "The political world of the Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate and supersede existing governments. The Open Conspiracy is the natural inheritor of socialist and communist enthusiasms; it may b e in control of Moscow before it is in control of New York. The character of the Open Conspiracy will now be plainly displayed. It will be a world religion. unquote, my opinion, this explains the enemies of Trump.

1933 THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME, by H. G. Wells is published. Wells predicts a second world around 1940, originating from a German Polish dispute...... ..... The plan for the "Modern World State" would succeed on it's third attempt (about 1980), ..... .... The book also states, "Although World Government had been plainly coming for some years, although it has been endlessly feared and murmured against, it found no opposition prepared anywhere.

Do you not believe this famous American? You could read his books.

The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution by H. G. Wells, Paperback | Barnes & Noble® (barnesandnoble.com)

The Shape Of Things To Come by H.G. Wells - 9781473221659 - Dymocks

I don't think you've properly understood The Open Conspiracy. It certainly doesn't advocate the sort of new world order being proposed in this thread.

The Shape of Things to Come also makes a lot more unfulfilled predictions than it does close calls (arguably non of the predictions were spot on, just pretty close).

Perfect fodder for conspiracy theorists.

sjastro · Nov 24, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
To be fair it was Orson Welles' radio script based on HG Wells' novel.

But there was no panic. That's just an urban myth.

I thought the panic was real (unless fake news went back to 1938).

Bungle_Bear · Nov 24, 2020

sjastro said:
I thought the panic was real (unless fake news went back to 1938).

Newspapers love sensationalism. It's not fake news, it's just exaggeration.

Ophiolite · Nov 24, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
Newspapers love sensationalism. It's not fake news, it's just exaggeration.

This is completely off-topic, but amuses me. I noted this remark in the linked article:
This miniscule rating is not surprising. Welles’ program was scheduled against one of the most popular national programs at the time—ventriloquist Edgar Bergen’s Chase and Sanborn Hour, a comedy-variety show.

Take note: a ventriloquist on a radio program! I was reminded of a similar program on the BBC in the 1950s, Educating Archie, with ventriloquist Peter Brough and his doll Archie Andrews. Strange times.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 24, 2020

Ophiolite said:
This is completely off-topic, but amuses me. I noted this remark in the linked article:
This miniscule rating is not surprising. Welles’ program was scheduled against one of the most popular national programs at the time—ventriloquist Edgar Bergen’s Chase and Sanborn Hour, a comedy-variety show.

Take note: a ventriloquist on a radio program! I was reminded of a similar program on the BBC in the 1950s, Educating Archie, with ventriloquist Peter Brough and his doll Archie Andrews. Strange times.

I thought the same!

Speedwell · Nov 24, 2020

sparow said:
Well I am sorry, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups, I have heard of him starting a stampede in the US, when he presented his "WAR OF THE PLANETS" or maybe it s WORLDS on the Lux hour (radio), one million Americans thought they were under attack from Mars, and took evasive action. probably before my time but I used to listen to the Lux Hour when I was thirteen.

That was Orson Wells, an American actor and theatrical producer who adapted the H. G. Wells (no relation) novel War of the Worlds for radio,

ViaCrucis · Nov 24, 2020

sparow said:
Well I am sorry, assumption is the mother of all stuff ups, I have heard of him starting a stampede in the US, when he presented his "WAR OF THE PLANETS" or maybe it s WORLDS on the Lux hour (radio), one million Americans thought they were under attack from Mars, and took evasive action. probably before my time but I used to listen to the Lux Hour when I was thirteen.

This story is mostly apocryphal.

-CryptoLutheran

sparow · Nov 25, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
This story is mostly apocryphal.

-CryptoLutheran

I don't think there is any doubt about the origin of the book or that it was used dramatically. There was a movie but not of the book butt on the drama (there may have been a movie on the book, I don't know).

The Lux Hour was done on Saturday night in a Ball Room, with an important Band playing and dancing, and different important announcer each night (like Frank Sinatra). On the night in question, the performance was proceeding and being broadcast over radio, then in the middle of the music, and I do not know exactly what was said but something like this, "We interrupt this program with an important news flash, massive explosions are occurring all around New York, we will be back when more details are available." Later, "We interrupt this program with a news up date, several Martian space ships are circling New York and are landing in other parts of the US." And the program went on, of all those who heard the program a million believed it to be real. The movie was about how people reacted.

Guy Threepwood · Dec 2, 2020

sparow said:
Climate Change is a political weapon; if it stops having an effect it will disappear; it is not known whether the increase in carbon dioxide is harmful or not; political Climate Change is going to cause a lot of people a lot of miserere because thojective has nothing to do with climate only politics.

Anthropomorphic climate change is the oldest superstition known to mankind, and has naturally always been used for political leverage.

'bad weather is not natural- it is your fault- and you must sacrifice (to us) to appease the weather gods)
This has always plagued humanity and always will. Swapping out scary masks and dances for computer sims does not make it any less scientifically illiterate.

Hans Blaster · Dec 2, 2020

Guy Threepwood said:
Anthropomorhic climate change is the oldest superstition known to mankind, and has naturally always been used for political leverage.

'bad weather is not natural- it is your fault- and you must sacrifice (to us) to appease the weather gods)
This has always plagued humanity and always will. Swapping out scary masks and dances for computer sims does not make it any less scientifically illiterate.

The "oldest superstition" really? Really? The idea is less than a century old. You can't even make a coherent (but still ridiculous) claim.

Bungle_Bear · Dec 2, 2020

Guy Threepwood said:
Anthropomorhic climate change is the oldest superstition known to mankind, and has naturally always been used for political leverage.

'bad weather is not natural- it is your fault- and you must sacrifice (to us) to appease the weather gods)
This has always plagued humanity and always will. Swapping out scary masks and dances for computer sims does not make it any less scientifically illiterate.

Scientific illiteracy is as much on display here as cultural illiteracy.

RDKirk · Dec 3, 2020

Hans Blaster said:
The "oldest superstition" really? Really? The idea is less than a century old. You can't even make a coherent (but still ridiculous) claim.

I think he's talking about rain dances.

Shemjaza · Dec 3, 2020

Guy Threepwood said:
Anthropomorphic climate change is the oldest superstition known to mankind, and has naturally always been used for political leverage.

'bad weather is not natural- it is your fault- and you must sacrifice (to us) to appease the weather gods)
This has always plagued humanity and always will. Swapping out scary masks and dances for computer sims does not make it any less scientifically illiterate.

People once believed that witches used magic to fly... so airplanes aren't real.

That's just silly.

sparow · Dec 3, 2020

Guy Threepwood said:
Anthropomorphic climate change is the oldest superstition known to mankind, and has naturally always been used for political leverage.

'bad weather is not natural- it is your fault- and you must sacrifice (to us) to appease the weather gods)
This has always plagued humanity and always will. Swapping out scary masks and dances for computer sims does not make it any less scientifically illiterate.

Very close; I think your critics have misunderstood your contribution; Pagans in England allegedly, dramatically changed their religion in response to major climate change about 3000 BC.

I think the phenomenon of climate is more to do with rats following pied pipers

sparow · Dec 3, 2020

Shemjaza said:
People once believed that witches used magic to fly... so airplanes aren't real.

That's just silly.

Witches are real; climate change is real; but neither are science and both use magic to fly.

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