FreeGrace2 said:
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And, there are NO verses in either document that plainly SAY that Christ's death was only for a particular group, whatever either document preferred to call such group. Or you would have provided at least
That is hilarious.
I provided MUCH more than ONE VERSE (save "
His People")
and you intentionally ignored the Scriptures. So, if you are
just going to intentionally ignore all the passages contradicting
your false synergistic heresy... at least stop embarrassing
yourself by ASKING for Scriptures you intend to ignore.
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Clearly you have no understanding of the Gospel of the Bible,
and you demonstrate that reality by asking questions that
even "babes in Christ" already know:
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.
Joh 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd
giveth his life for THE SHEEP.
Joh 10:26-29
But ye believe not,
because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and
they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of
my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Mar 4:11-12
And he said unto them,
Unto you [the elect] it
IS GIVEN to know
the mystery of the
Kingdom of God: but unto them that are
without
[those not elected], all these things are done in parables:
That seeing they may see,
and not perceive; and hearing they may
hear,
and not understand;
LEST AT ANY TIME they should
be converted,
[from the Kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God]
and
their sins should be forgiven them.
[by Christ's Atonement]
Where does the Bible teach that God chooses who will believe?
Eph 1:4-5
According as
he hath chosen us in him before
the foundation of the world, that we [elect] should be holy
and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us
unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,
according to the good pleasure of his will,
Joh 6:44, 37, 49
No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath
sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Joh 10:26-29
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they
shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Rom 8:28-31
And we know that all things work together for good to them
that love God,
to them who are the called according to his
purpose. For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the
firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called,
them he also justified: and
whom he justified, them he also
glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be
for us [the elect chosen and called and justified and glorified],
who can be against us?
Joh 1:13
Which were born [born again, or regenerated], not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man,
but of [the Will of] God.
Rom 9:15-16
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth,
but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:21-23
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump
to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering
the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory
on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Where does the Bible teach that God regenerates "the elect" so that they can and will believe?
Eph 2:1, 5
And you [the elect] hath he quickened [made alive],
who WERE DEAD in trespasses and sins; Even when we
[elect]
were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,
(by grace ye are saved0
Act 13:48
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the
word of the Lord:
and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Joh 10:26-29
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and
they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of
my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 17:9
I pray for them [the elect]:
I pray not for the world,
but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 3:3, 1:13
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Mar 4:11-12
And he said unto them,
Unto you [the elect] it
IS GIVEN to know
the mystery of the
Kingdom of God: but unto them that are
without [those not elected], all these things are done in parables:
That seeing they may see,
and not perceive; and hearing they may
hear,
and not understand;
LEST AT ANY TIME they should
be converted, [from the Kingdom of Satan to the Kingdom of God]
and
their sins should be forgiven them. [by Christ's Atonement]
Joh 6:44, 37, 49
No man can come to me,
except the Father which hath
sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me,
that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing,
but should raise it up again at the last day.
Rom 8:28-31
And we know that all things work together for good to them
that love God,
to them who are the called according to his
purpose. For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the
firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called,
them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also
glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be
for us [the elect chosen and called and justified and glorified],
who can be against us?
Rom 9:21-23
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump
to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering
the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory
on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:15-16
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth,
but of God that sheweth mercy.
1Co 2:14
But the
natural man [not regenerated] receiveth not the things
of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Col 2:10-14
And ye [elect] are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
and power: In whom also
ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also
ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God,
who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us [elect], which was contrary to us [elect], and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
John 10:3, 11, 14-16, 26-27
To him the porter openeth;
and the sheep hear his voice: and he
calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. I am the good shepherd:
the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father:
and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have
[Gentiles], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring,
and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said
unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and
they follow me:
Col 2:13
And you,
being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision
of your flesh,
hath he quickened together with him, having
forgiven you all trespasses;
1Jn 4:19
We [elect] love him,
because he first loved us.
Rom 3:10
As it is written
[of unregenerated men],
There is none righteous, no, not one:There is none that
understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They
are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
there is none that doeth good,
no, not one.
Gal 4:6-7
And because ye [elect] are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit
of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou
art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
2Ti 1:9
Who hath saved us [the elect], and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Mat 22:14
For many are called
["called" by the Gospel],
but few are chosen
["chosen" or "elected" to become saved].
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets,
and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
None of this is found in Scripture,
LOL
... yet forms the very foundation of your Calvinist theology.
Not only is all of this "found in Scripture" it was understood,
and believed, and PREACHED
1500 years before Calvin was born.
It is a SAD thing when men must try to use John Calvin to discredit
the very
WORDS OF CHRIST.
But, what choice do you have?
If you were to accept the WORDS OF CHRIST then your heretical
synergistic "gospel" would
immediately be destroyed. And so
you are FORCED to reject and ignore the
WORDS OF CHRIST
in order to protect your false gospel - and you must pretend
that it was John Calvin that said the
WORDS OF CHRIST.
Listen, I get it (I really do).
You must find a scapegoat in order to justify rejecting
the
WORDS OF CHRIST. But you are only pretending to yourself.
All those preaching false synergistic gospels MUST pretend, or else
they would be forced to admit that they simplydo not follow
the
WORDS OF CHRIST or the Gospel of the Bible.
.
So trust Jesus, then, to do what He is able to do. And know that He understands how we . . . not just you . . . are limited, so we are wise not to assume and expect that what we do is sure to work.
