Evidence of Election Fraud

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'Treason'... Biden isn't even the Pres elect.... if that is never 'proven' all that remains are warring factions that both believe they are correct. It is simple logic. Not a threat. Not something I even promote. Cold facts. Peoples emotions and political fervor will explode as we have witnessed in centuries of human history.

No. The election results say Biden won. Trump can try to get recounts and court cases to overturn the results but he has failed to change the outcome Biden is about to be the rightfully elected President of the United States and taking up arms against him and his government IS treason.
 
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It's not to Trump. Were not going on permanent lockdown. We will not live under a communist dictatorship that usurped the WH. On I can go, but it's not happening.

As I have said many times, the Democrats own actions have disenfranchised and alienated tens of millions of people that fear their own lives at the Democrats hands. Now the Democrats are preparing lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees.
Who can argue against reasoned, well-suported and rational arguments like the above?
 
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It's not to Trump. Were not going on permanent lockdown. We will not live under a communist dictatorship that usurped the WH. On I can go, but it's not happening.

As I have said many times, the Democrats own actions have disenfranchised and alienated tens of millions of people that fear their own lives at the Democrats hands. Now the Democrats are preparing lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees.

How do people think that is going to go down? What is proffered to Trump supporters to belie their fears? Nothing but more rhetoric, hatred, and lists.

If Trump’s remote settlement in South America with it’s own traveling basketball team commits treason, swinging from a tree is a traitor’s rightful fate. Don’t talk about trying to overthrow government and the gallows will not be mentioned.
 
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Biden is about to be the rightfully elected President of the United States and taking up arms against him and his government IS treason.

"About to be" Interestingly we have been saying that about the actual President for four years.
 
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"About to be" Interestingly we have been saying that about the actual President for four years.

No clue what you are talking about. You’ll need to be more specific.
 
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The evidence is all over the place. Witnesses have come forth--actual election workers and supporters of Biden, arrests have been made, all sorts of unexpected "midnight" ballot dumps in toss-up states have been documented, there is no question but that in some areas more voters cast ballots than there are registered voters, that observers were physically kept from doing their legal duties, that USPS carriers disposed of mail-in ballots, and on and on and on.
Trump had tweeted that Sidney Powell was part of his legal team.
In this interview, if I have understood her correctly >

Fox Sunday Morning Futures - Sydney Powell on Dominion Election Fraud 11/15/2020 - YouTube

Sidney is clearly saying she is a qualified lawyer who knows real, versus false, evidence, and she guarantees she has enough evidence to not only overturn the election of Joe, but to prosecute states and individuals for fraudulent voting management activities.

And now we are told that she is no longer on Donald's team.

Donald is the President of the United States. He has legal power to expose fraud. And he has had four years to put judges in the courts.

So, if there is anything to what she and he are claiming, they have judges whom Donald's administration, even, has put into power in the courts. Plus, Donald has arranged a conservative majority in the Supreme Court. So . . . then . . . now . . . it is reasonable they have the power to prove fraud and even prosecute ones conducting the fraud . . . if it is there.

But, for me, it is all hearsay. I have no way of proving who is telling the truth. I can prefer whom I believe, of course. I would not be surprised if there is fraud by ones for each candidate . . . maybe like in a football game there can be players who cheat, on both sides. And refs could be on the take, for all I know.

So, I pray for God who knows to bless, howsoever He pleases :)
 
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Peoples emotions and political fervor will explode as we have witnessed in centuries of human history.

OK, we're finally edging from denial to anger.
 
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Don’t talk about trying to overthrow government and the gallows will not be mentioned.

That sentiment has also been stated by the other side as well. I am not advocating any such thing. Just hit 'pause' for a sec, and look at the state of this nation as compared to the beginning of wars throughout the worlds' history. I do not want war. I'm advocating transparency in the courts to avoid it.
 
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That sentiment has also been stated by the other side as well. I am not advocating any such thing. Just hit 'pause' for a sec, and look at the state of this nation as compared to the beginning of wars throughout the worlds' history. I do not want war. I'm advocating transparency in the courts to avoid it.

There is transparency in the courts. Trump’s team takes their claim to court. It is found lacking sufficient evidence so it is thrown out. Repeat until Trump gets the message that he lost. Biden takes over as president on January 20th since he won over 270 votes in the Electoral College. We are not pausing anything because the inhabitants of Spahn Ranch don’t like how the election turned out.
 
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OK, we're finally edging from denial to anger.

I'm like House...
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People keep relating emotion to me that I myself am not even able to relate to. I am not an 'a' hole... I don't know how to relate to people. I'm not angry... It's not intentional. I'm not trying to be mean or even be disliked. It's not even something I can control. So no... I'm not "mad".
 
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I completely agree with that... my issue is with stonewalling the process, and then using other processes to get a Dem in the WH.
Wait, wait, wait.

So you are now claiming that the entire US judicial system is now part of the conspiracy to remove trump from office?

Also, I always thought that "using processes to get a Dem in the WH" was called AN ELECTION.
 
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As I have said many times, the Democrats own actions have disenfranchised and alienated tens of millions of people that fear their own lives at the Democrats hands. Now the Democrats are preparing lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees.
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Wow. Just ... wow.
 
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There won't be enough faithless electors to change the election either. The electors are picked by each candidate ahead of time before the election begin, and they are typical high rank political officials. The only time when an elector is faithless is when they have lost or win overwhelmingly.
 
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So you are now claiming that the entire US judicial system is now part of the conspiracy to remove trump from office?

That is a red herring. I'm claiming the Trump admin is using this to get into the news causing awareness, and expedite their chance of getting to the supreme court. They have stated as much. They want to get this into appellate courts, and the supreme court. Then in conjunction with Powell who is going to be in court exposing the mechanism behind the fraud, will lend credence to the Trump teams claims. That is what I believe.
 
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That is a red herring. I'm claiming the Trump admin is using this to get into the news causing awareness, and expedite their chance of getting to the supreme court. They have stated as much. They want to get this into appellate courts, and the supreme court. Then in conjunction with Powell who is going to be in court exposing the mechanism behind the fraud, will lend credence to the Trump teams claims. That is what I believe.
Given that the trump "team" has yet to present a single shred of evidence for widespread voter fraud in court (let alone in the public sphere) and have been repeatedly tossed out of court (so to speak) ... yeah, good luck with that.
 
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That is a red herring. I'm claiming the Trump admin is using this to get into the news causing awareness, and expedite their chance of getting to the supreme court. They have stated as much. They want to get this into appellate courts, and the supreme court. Then in conjunction with Powell who is going to be in court exposing the mechanism behind the fraud, will lend credence to the Trump teams claims. That is what I believe.

They are failing at that strategy. They are getting kicked out of lower courts for lack of sufficient evidence. When they go to the appeals court, they aren’t allowed to argue with new evidence, they can only argue the lower court judge made a mistake in ruling the way they did. The same applies when the Supreme Court looks at the appeals court decision. Right now Trump’s team has almost zero chance of getting a hearing at the Appeals Court level and zero chance of getting a hearing at the Supreme Court level. This is to mention nothing of them actually winning those cases.
 
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That is a red herring. I'm claiming the Trump admin is using this to get into the news causing awareness, and expedite their chance of getting to the supreme court. They have stated as much. They want to get this into appellate courts, and the supreme court. Then in conjunction with Powell who is going to be in court exposing the mechanism behind the fraud, will lend credence to the Trump teams claims. That is what I believe.

Who do you claim is doing the “stonewalling” then?
 
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It's not to Trump. Were not going on permanent lockdown. We will not live under a communist dictatorship that usurped the WH. On I can go, but it's not happening.

As I have said many times, the Democrats own actions have disenfranchised and alienated tens of millions of people that fear their own lives at the Democrats hands. Now the Democrats are preparing lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees.

How do people think that is going to go down? What is proffered to Trump supporters to belie their fears? Nothing but more rhetoric, hatred, and lists.
We're not on lockdown and never have been on lockdown, so of course we're not going on "permanent lockdown". Where do you get these fables of "lockdown" from, anyway?

And as for the people disenfranchised and alienated by the Democrats, they were disenfranchised and alienated by the Republicans decades earlier already. And there are no Democratic 'lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees." Exaggerate much? It's not even exaggeration because exaggeration requires some truth to be blown out of proportion; what you're suggesting hasn't even a shred of truth to it.

If you want to continue living in fear go right ahead, but don't be surprised that none of us believe that the sky is falling because you're repeating it for the umpteenth time.

I can guarantee you 100% there will be no "warring factions" or "civil war" - that's all just a fantasy some radical right-wingers and incels have. It's all talk, all fantasizing, and has zero basis in reality and will not happen.

I guarantee you that Biden will be declared the winner officially and that he will be inaugurated on Jan. 21 and Trump will be out of the White House by then, with his tail between his legs.

LOL, "warring factions"!!!!
 
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They are failing at that strategy. They are getting kicked out of lower courts for lack of sufficient evidence. When they go to the appeals court, they aren’t allowed to argue with new evidence, they can only argue the lower court judge made a mistake in ruling the way they did. The same applies when the Supreme Court looks at the appeals court decision. Right now Trump’s team has almost zero chance of getting a hearing at the Appeals Court level and zero chance of getting a hearing at the Supreme Court level. This is to mention nothing of them actually winning those cases.

This might be too serious of a topic to discuss with a group that is so adversely opposed, to the point of intentionally refuting anything that is posted.

What is going on right now is for the masses. Court of public opinion. Get the issue into the public's purview. What I believe the play is, is to get this out of the lesser courts and push this into federal, as Powell goes on the offensive. Both groups will be able to use case law or findings from each other's proceedings. A slam dunk finding from Powell completely changes the Trump teams case as it pertains to the lesser courts, and how they threw them out during such now founded corruption.

I think they are going to play off of each other.
 
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And as for the people disenfranchised and alienated by the Democrats, they were disenfranchised and alienated by the Republicans decades earlier already. And there are no Democratic 'lists and talking about punishment and people swinging from trees." Exaggerate much? It's not even exaggeration because exaggeration requires some truth to be blown out of proportion; what you're suggesting hasn't even a shred of truth to it.

You are arguing a moot point. Your argument that there cannot be separate factions because both sides feel marginalized, maybe even targeted by each other, make no sense. We have two sides that feel exactly the same about each other.

If you want to continue living in fear go right ahead, but don't be surprised that none of us believe that the sky is falling because you're repeating it for the umpteenth time.

Again, this is a mischaracterization. People who live in fear are not comfortable with the fact that they will one day die, nor that they will in fact endure hardship while they are alive. Such is life. Just suck it up and move forward. What is there to be afraid of? You complain, moan and groan, and go on with your life. Or you die... and for me that is not a scary concept to finally go home. Finally, get to EOS.

The only thing that is going to suck is going thru it.

I can guarantee you 100% there will be no "warring factions" or "civil war" - that's all just a fantasy some radical right-wingers and incels have. It's all talk, all fantasizing, and has zero basis in reality and will not happen.

Well you are already wrong... do you agree with me? Are you willing to lay down your sentiments and live under Trump as this election currently stands?
 
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