The connection between the Physical and Spiritual

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Regarding the blind, deaf and the mute.

Exodus 4:11

11 The Lord said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him mute or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

Matthew 13:11-17
11 Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted. 12"For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him. 13"Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14"In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says,
'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND;
YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING , BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;
15FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL ,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR ,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES ,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES ,
HEAR WITH THEIR EARS ,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN ,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'
16 "But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.

Mark 4:10-12
10 As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN."

Luke 8:10
10 And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.

John 9:39-41
39 And Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind." 40Those of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, "We are not blind too, are we?" 41Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.

John 12:39-41
39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40"HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM." 41These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him.


1 Corinthians 2:14-16
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:3-6
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. 6For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

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Doesn`t sound like such people get much of a shot at salvation.

"that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.

If they believe this, they have a perfect shot.
 
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Doesn`t sound like such people get much of a shot at salvation.

"that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
Rick when you think of this passage what does it mean to you ?

" Salvation is of the Lord "
 
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Rick when you think of this passage what does it mean to you ?

" Salvation is of the Lord "

There is a valley of decision where a choice must be made but God controls salvation every step of the way and foreknows what the decision will be.
 
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John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him
should not perish but have everlasting life.

If they believe this, they have a perfect shot.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." The whoevers in this world were predisposed to "believe the this".
 
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There is a valley of decision where a choice must be made but God controls salvation every step of the way and foreknows what the decision will be.
Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." The whoevers in this world were predisposed to "believe the this".
Salvation is kingdom business. The king has every right to decide who he will entrust with
stewardship in that kingdom. That does not mean God is controlling their decisions.
He is exercising His sovereignty to make His decisions based on His foreknowledge.
 
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Salvation is kingdom business. The king has every right to decide who he will entrust with
stewardship in that kingdom. That does not mean God is controlling their decisions.
He is exercising His sovereignty to make His decisions based on His foreknowledge.

I didn`t say God controlled the decisions. I said He foreknew in His Omniscience what the decision would be. However, the elect are predisposed to believe, that is the predestined aspect of it. Not God controlling but God enabling.
 
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I didn`t say God controlled the decisions. I said He foreknew in His Omniscience what the decision would be. However, the elect are predisposed to believe, that is the predestined aspect of it. Not God controlling but God enabling.
If the elect are predisposed to believe, where exactly is the decision? Just to clarify.
 
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If the elect are predisposed to believe, where exacting is the decision? Just to clarify.

When faith develops a person will either keep seeking or choose to push it away.
 
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John 1:13 :)
John 1:
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But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,
to those who believe in His name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

If the elect are predisposed to believe, where exacting is the decision? Just to clarify.
 
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Bah! I`m not going to say it.
The Parable of the Two Sons
Matthew 21:

28 But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said,
Son, go, work today in my vineyard.
29 He answered and said, I will not, but afterward he regretted it and went.
30 Then he came to the second and said likewise. And he answered and said,
I go, sir, but he did not go.
31 Which of the two did the will of his father? They said to Him, The first.
Jesus said to them, Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter
the kingdom of God before you.
32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him;
but tax collectors and harlots believed him; and when you saw it, you did not
afterward repent and believe him.

Why does believing John matter, if Messiah is standing before them?
Both sons are 'believers', in that they know who their father is, and understand
their relationship to him. The question proposed:
Which of the two did the will of his father?
Will events and decisions such as are presented here influence
the father's plans for the future. Let's say, in matters of inheritance?
Noting that this father has no foreknowledge, and has to base his
decisions on knowledge gained from experience. He must ask,
On whom can I bestow my trust?
 
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When faith develops a person will either keep seeking or choose to push it away.
The Will of God expresses two ideas that are not just linked semantically.
Will of God-prescribed behavior.
Will of God-inheritance.
Isaiah 1:19. If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land.
The land being the inheritance of a covenant promise, not a birthright.
 
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The Parable of the Two Sons
Matthew 21:

28 But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said,
Son, go, work today in my vineyard.
29 He answered and said, I will not, but afterward he regretted it and went.
30 Then he came to the second and said likewise. And he answered and said,
I go, sir, but he did not go.
31 Which of the two did the will of his father? They said to Him, The first.
Jesus said to them, Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter
the kingdom of God before you.
32 For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him;
but tax collectors and harlots believed him; and when you saw it, you did not
afterward repent and believe him.

Why does believing John matter, if Messiah is standing before them?
Both sons are 'believers', in that they know who their father is, and understand
their relationship to him. The question proposed:
Which of the two did the will of his father?
Will events and decisions such as are presented here influence
the father's plans for the future. Let's say, in matters of inheritance?
Noting that this father has no foreknowledge, and has to base his
decisions on knowledge gained from experience. He must ask,
On whom can I bestow my trust?

The sons in the parable represent people who are already religious so not really applicable to John 1:13 which is a New Birth verse.
 
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The sons in the parable represent people who are already religious so not really applicable to John 1:13 which is a New Birth verse.
This is in no way so easily dismissed. These are not religious people.
"Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter
the kingdom of God before you."
There are many doctrines. Jesus taught in parables, and those who receive the Spirit
rightly comprehend them.
The question proposed , who did the Will of the Father?
Is that not an issue under the "new birth"?
 
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This is in no way so easily dismissed. These are not religious people.
"Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter
the kingdom of God before you."
There are many doctrines. Jesus taught in parables, and those who receive the Spirit
rightly comprehend them.
The question proposed , who did the Will of the Father?
Is that not an issue under the "new birth"?

I wasn`t out to sound dismissive. I didn`t mean it like that. But both sons in the parable are past the point where new birth occurs or doesn`t occur.

The good son represents those who belong to Jesus. The bad son represented the Pharisees Jesus was talking to. The tax collectors and harlots weren`t part of the parable.
 
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I wasn`t out to sound dismissive. I didn`t mean it like that. But both sons in the parable are past the point where new birth occurs or doesn`t occur.

The good son represents those who belong to Jesus. The bad son represented the Pharisees Jesus was talking to. The tax collectors and harlots weren`t part of the parable.
No worries. I wasn't saying you are dismissive, or trying to be, I am saying that the topic is clearly
in need of further examination. The good son represents the tax collectors and harlots because they
"received Jesus gladly". Here is something less of a parable, but right on topic. Jesus again places
the spotlight on John and his baptism.
Luke 7:
29
And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized
with the baptism of John.
30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized
by him.
Literally, they rejected the will of God within themselves. Their decision to reject John's message
came with consequences. Same message as in Matthew 21 two sons parable. A question previously
proposed still stands:
Why does believing John matter, if Messiah is standing before them?

Mark 12:37. Therefore David himself calls Him Lord; how is He then his Son?
And the common people heard Him gladly.

Acts 2:41. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

So to get back on point, are these decisions being made predestined, or is God's plan and purpose,
based on foreknowledge. God doesn't make mistakes. Judas wasn't a mistake, because
his actions were a part of God's Will, His purpose. Even as Christ spoke unto Pilate.

Johns 19:11. Jesus answered, You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been
given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.

If the elect are predisposed to believe, where exactly is the decision? Just to clarify.
When faith develops a person will either keep seeking or choose to push it away.
It seemed we were near agreement on something here.

 
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