Discussion Why I do not believe you can accurately prophesy about an election.

hislegacy said:

Chapter and verse showing where Paul judged the prophesy.

Then connect that to the verses in Corinthians I cited.

It appears that You are adding one and one and getting banana.

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Can you give me chapter and verse where Scripture says prophets can be wrong?

Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

That certainly doesn't indicate a prophet is usually wrong, or even occasionally wrong. Such a prophet is a false prophet anywhere you look in the Bible.

Paul most certainly weighed, considered and/or judged the prophecy he was given, in action, and then acted according to what he saw as correct. And it wasn't a false prophecy.

If God gives a prophecy, it will be 100% accurate.

In the OT God spoke primarily to a few prophets and their words were weighed. Some believe that's one reason why Jonah didn't want to go to Nineveh because what he was speaking from God wouldn't happen because the people would repent.

Now God speaks to us all (John 10:27) and wants us to prophecy (I Cor 14:1). No believer is going to serve God with no errors.. Not one preacher,, teacher, evangelist, prophet, believer is going to serve without error.

False prophets lead people away from God. Matt 24:11, 24; II Pet 2:1

Why "prove all things?" God's prophets do want to hear and speak accurately. What is to be done with a prophetic word, a thus saith the Lord God?. "'Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thess 5:20-21). So what prophets say is to be tested.

Some additional steps are needed to prove all things such as:
-checking it against Scripture (Acts 17:11),
-asking The Holy Spirit and hearing His voice getting confirmation (Matt 18:16; Acts 9;9-19 especially v 10-12; II Cor 13:1)
-fasting,
-spiritual discernment,
-does it point to Yeshua,
-receiving G_dly counsel (Prov 11:14).

Then when it has been proven, there's warfare in the spirit realm. "This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before concerning thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare," I Tm 1:18

tturt said:

False prophets lead people away from God.

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And false prophets lead people away from TRUTH all the while dressing, acting, and speaking like Christians:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23

Do you really think the will of God is to speak the words of lying spirits?

Do you think having a large majority of Christians not accept the result of this election after it's certified is God's will? How would that share Christ with the lost?

God is with His people no matter who the ruler is, so don't throw your testimony in Christ away in favor of your politics... Christ is far more than any president...

I don't expect God's people will be perfect, but false prophets might now be being shown to all men... it's likely VERY helpful for their followers to see, and react appropriately.

Away from TRUTH is away from God "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14

Wanted a Biblical example of when God said something that didn't happen - gave it. Some prophecies are IF then. Of course, God knew they would repent. So why did God make Jonah give that word without including repentance.

After reading, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matt 7:2 decided to make changes.

Sticking with "Despise not prophesyings" myself.

Not accepting election results until all court cases concluded. This nation has never been at such a threshold as now. Continuing to join many others in prayer.

hislegacy said:

It's really simple from my vantage.

God has never intervened in human will. If He could, we would be living in lives with a whole lot less sin. If He could, everyone would choose Jesus as Lord and Savior. God is long suffering, not willing that any should perish, but all come to repentance. I've read that some where.

That reality stops prevents Divine Intervention in an election. Because who the person votes for is an act of their free will. If God cannot get you to walk away from that sin that you battle daily, how can He possibly make someone who isn't even a believer vote a certain way?

So why did so many prophesy? I think it was a heart cry, not a heavenly message.

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Prophecy is not intervention ... it's FOREKNOWLEDGE of an outcome ...

hislegacy said:

Then why do modern day prophets miss it so often?

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Because they're not really prophets of the Lord ...

Easy to tell who doesn't usually serve in the prophetic

NerdGirl said:

Why do you think it wasn't God's will for Paul to die?

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Paul didn't die from stoning ...

tturt said:

Wanted a Biblical example of when God said something that didn't happen - gave it. Some prophecies are IF then

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You gave no such example. Prophecies are not if. If they are from God they come to pass. Period.

You all can keep making excuses for your false prophets all you like, but Jesus said "I never knew you" which means, those prophecies and miracles weren't from His Hand, they were in fact demonic, whether His Name was used (falsely) or not.

No... it's not yet over with the election, but pay attention because if all these prophecies are false and Trump does not become president then you need to behave like Christians and accept Biden as president and not act like the left did for the last 4 years...

Do not be deceived by men who know not God, and whom God does not know.

Francis Drake said:

A testimony is effectively a description of what someone sees or hears. Like the testimony of a courtroom witness describing a car crash, an assault, or a report of what someone said.

So when someone moves in the Spirit of prophecy, he is really testifying to what Jesus would say if he were present.

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That should be the way it works ...

tturt said:

Now God speaks to us all (John 10:27) and wants us to prophecy (I Cor 14:1).

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Prophecy, in the larger sense, can be understood as "speaking for God".

Certainly, we should be cautious that the words we presume to speak for God are true ...

The failures of the election prophecies will only harm the church's evangelistic effort. And I agree with the OP that such were more a expression of hearts-desire, rather than discerning attempts to express God's voice ...

paul1149 said:

Even in the OT they had a "school of the prophets" in Elisha's day, which implies learning; which implies they didn't always get it right. The prophecies we read in Scripture are the cream of the crop; no one is going to hit that mark.

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Penalties for presumptively speaking in the name of the Lord ... are rather stiff ... in the OT ...

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 'But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’

'And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.'

That's part of the problem OT applied to today

BTW, this forum's rules state
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tturt said:

That's part of the problem OT applied to today

BTW, this forum's rules state
"Spirit-Filled, Pentecostal and/or Charismatic believers can be from ANY Christian Denomination. They are those who believe that all the various spiritual gifts (or charisms) listed in the New Testament (including but not limited to the manifestations gifts found in I Corinthians 12:8-10) are active in the Church today and desirable in the life of the individual believer, for the edification of the Body of Christ.
It is not a requirement that the individual exercises/exhibits any specific spiritual gift(s)."

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Belief in the prophetic gift ... does not require that we be accepting of every prophecy. In fact, we are commanded to be discerning ...

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Hazelelponi said:

Do you think having a large majority of Christians not accept the result of this election after it's certified is God's will? How would that share Christ with the lost?

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It's not been certified yet.
Previous elections also went through judicial challenges, why should that challenge be excluded this time?

A_Thinker said:

Prophecy is not intervention ... it's FOREKNOWLEDGE of an outcome ...

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Prophecy is not just foreknowledge, but is frequently given to initiate intervention.

Hazelelponi said:

You gave no such example. Prophecies are not if. If they are from God they come to pass. Period.

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1In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’ ”
Mark those prophetic words from God to Hezekiah. "Hezekiah, you're gonna die!!!"

2Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3“Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
No chance Hezekiah, prophecies are prophecies and if the come from God, they always come to pass. Period!...........You're gonna die.!

4And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5“Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord....’ ”
So it seems maybe God got it wrong, or Isaiah did, or God suddenly changed his mind?

You all can keep making excuses for your false prophets all you like, but Jesus said "I never knew you" which means, those prophecies and miracles weren't from His Hand, they were in fact demonic, whether His Name was used (falsely) or not.

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Are you going to apply this to Isaiah?

No... it's not yet over with the election, but pay attention because if all these prophecies are false and Trump does not become president then you need to behave like Christians and accept Biden as president and not act like the left did for the last 4 years...

Do not be deceived by men who know not God, and whom God does not know.

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I hope you understand that your unforgiving judgementalism against those who seek the Lord in the prophetic ministry will backfire equally on you and whatever ministry area you walk in.

already given Jonah's word to Nineveh, also