Can we choose evil and good?

Natto · Nov 23, 2020

it just harm to health if one party that long.

lsume · Nov 23, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I'm asking for a friend who was wondering if it is acceptable to party all Friday night long, and into the morning hours, and still do good deeds for others during the week after catching up on sleep, and living an up-style life 5 or 6 out of 7 days?

What's your opinion?

There are no drunkards in the kingdom of heaven. However, I am not the judge. Better to behave I think.

Tropical Wilds · Nov 23, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I'm asking for a friend who was wondering if it is acceptable to party all Friday night long, and into the morning hours, and still do good deeds for others during the week after catching up on sleep, and living an up-style life 5 or 6 out of 7 days?

What's your opinion?

My opinion is he can party every night and still be a good person. Also, he can party zero nights and still be a bad person. What defines us as a good or bad person is more than how they spend their time four or five nights a month. It’s developed over a lifetime of thoughts, attitudes, behaviors, beliefs, actions, mindsets, and moralities. It also depends on who you ask and what their perceptions are. Two people could see the same person entirely differently and neither would necessarily be wrong.

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
Yet my Bible says if any man be in Christ, he IS a NEW creature- old things ARE passed away, behold ALL things are become NEW.

That doesn’t say it’s a process, but a total transformation of the one who’s born again.

I agree. But coming to the realization takes time, that the self serving, self determining ways of man that constantly change the definition of good and evil to suit purpose, all while seeking gain at the expense of others, is a useless system compared to God's ways and the root of all human problems. Once we repent of those foolish ways life does become new loving all as self, but life is still a learning process as is perpetually seeking God so there is no point while alive we are completely transformed. Saved by putting God's will ahead of our own but still human enough to fail on occasion. It is the allegiance to God rather than man that counts. His Kingdom come, His will be done. Every day presents new temptations to put self interest or simply animal instinct to the fore. Like Jesus said, if you think it you've done it.

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
Jesus didn’t want todo it at all, but His mother insisted.

Jewish mother guilt trip

1213 · Nov 23, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I'm asking for a friend who was wondering if it is acceptable to party all Friday night long, and into the morning hours, and still do good deeds for others during the week after catching up on sleep, and living an up-style life 5 or 6 out of 7 days?

What's your opinion?

It depends on what the partying is. I don’t think it is necessary evil. I think sin and evil is to reject God. So, whatever makes person reject God I bad.

RickReads · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
We have a term for unfermented wine - grape juice.

With no refrigerator back then, the grape juice would ferment quickly.

That the Bible says an elder is not to be the drinker of much wine, proves it wasn’t grape juice - unless you think God cares how much Welches an elder drinks.

And, it also says “be not drunk with wine, because that’s excess”, shows it’s okay to have a glass of wine with dinner, but not okay to drink until one is drunk.

I don’t think it’s saying to not be drunk with grape juice...since that’s impossible.

Shalom.

If you want to believe that Jesus created 120 gallons of strong drink for a wedding, be my guest.

Tree of Life · Nov 23, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
He didn't say exactly, but I assume it means leaving the house and getting totally, out-of-mind, intoxicated.

There's nothing wrong with partying and celebrating. The Scriptures are full of celebration and reasons to celebrate. But pursuing intoxication as a means of escaping the pains and problems of life is not healthy or wise. The Lord has much better things for us. I would advise such a friend to examine some of the deeper issues in his/her life that lead them to pursuing regular intoxication.

nolidad · Nov 23, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I'm asking for a friend who was wondering if it is acceptable to party all Friday night long, and into the morning hours, and still do good deeds for others during the week after catching up on sleep, and living an up-style life 5 or 6 out of 7 days?

What's your opinion?

Haven't seen the many answers from others so I hope this is not too repetitive.

YOur whole line of thinking here is all wrong. Good deeds are things done either in accord with Gods general will as expressed in Scripture or His specific will for you as an individual.

Almost sounds like you hope the 5-6 days of philanthropy will buy your night of "partying". It won't. Why do you need to go partying? If your life is not joy filled enough that you have to go find satisfaction in things that (if your partying is the typical worldly partying), then you are not connected with God well in your fellowship with Him. And are the "good deeds" deeds God desires? Lots of ifs and unknowns here.

But to answer the basic question: Yes! Only believers by virtue of being born again can choose to do good and evil. Unbelievers are in sin and dead to the things of God which are the only good things we can do.

chad kincham · Nov 23, 2020

RickReads said:
If you want to believe that Jesus created 120 gallons of strong drink for a wedding, be my guest.

It’s undeniable what He did, because there’s a well known bartenders trick of switching from the good stuff, to the cheap stuff, after someone’s had a few drinks, and the booze numbs their sense of taste enough that they can’t tell the difference - and the wedding host made reference to the fact of dulled sense of taste after drinking alcohol, by saying the following:

Joh 2:9 When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom

Joh 2:10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”

The host referenced the fact of bringing out the cheap wine after guests have been drinking, and said, but you’ve kept the best wine, until last.

I don’t even like wine, but I do like getting at the truth in scriptures - and it's clear in scripture that it’s not a sin to drink moderately, but it is a sin to drink until drunk - do you really think scripture says, “an elder shall not be a drinker of much grape juice”?

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
and it's clear in scripture that it’s not a sin to drink moderately, but it is a sin to drink until drunk

Or perhaps a sin to drink the cheap stuff and hold out on the good

Carl Emerson · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
do you really think scripture says, “an elder shall not be a drinker of much grape juice”?

Nice point !!

RickReads · Nov 23, 2020

chad kincham said:
It’s undeniable what He did, because there’s a well known bartenders trick of switching from the good stuff, to the cheap stuff, after someone’s had a few drinks, and the booze numbs their sense of taste enough that they can’t tell the difference - and the wedding host made reference to the fact of dulled sense of taste after drinking alcohol, by saying the following:

Joh 2:9 When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom

Joh 2:10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.”

The host referenced the fact of bringing out the cheap wine after guests have been drinking, and said, but you’ve kept the best wine, until last.

I don’t even like wine, but I do like getting at the truth in scriptures - and it's clear in scripture that it’s not a sin to drink moderately, but it is a sin to drink until drunk - do you really think scripture says, “an elder shall not be a drinker of much grape juice”?

Grape juice was considered wine and 120 gallons of strong wine is not moderate drinking.

Carl Emerson · Nov 23, 2020

To be fair I believe the wine was naturally fermented and not 'fortified' like modern wines. So a lot less potent.

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

RickReads said:
Grape juice was considered wine and 120 gallons of strong wine is not moderate drinking.

That would depend on whether a meal was included

RickReads · Nov 23, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
To be fair I believe the wine was naturally fermented and not 'fortified' like modern wines. So a lot less potent.

When common sense fails maybe a little Sociology

I Drank Ancient Roman Wine All Day and Wasn't Even Tipsy

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

RickReads said:
When common sense fails maybe a little Sociology

I Drank Ancient Roman Wine All Day and Wasn't Even Tipsy

Like US beer

RickReads · Nov 23, 2020

timothyu said:
Like US beer

Heh, like Canucks know how to make beer :doh:

timothyu · Nov 23, 2020

RickReads said:
Heh, like Canucks know how to make beer

Used to before all our main brands but one got bought out by US companies and the recipes were reformulated to that mandatory corn syrup stuff

RickReads · Nov 23, 2020

timothyu said:
Used to before all our main brands but one got bought out by US companies and the recipes were reformulated to that mandatory corn syrup stuff

Corn syrup is a high-quality sweetener.

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