Georgia completes election ballot hand recount!

Wolseley · Nov 21, 2020

tulc said:
nah, I was well masked and social distanced...or as I like to point out: "I've been trying to social distance my entire life!"
tulc(has never been a big touchy-feely kind of guy anyway)

Yeah, well, I have the same issue. People don't get too close to me---apparently I look scary. I'm not a big guy, but I usually wear quite a bit of veteran paraphernalia, and I've been told that with the scars I have on my hide, I evidently look intimidating.

Young women and girls, especially (along with underweight male creatures of uncertain gender determination, pink clothing, and man-buns), have been known to take one look at me and walk in the other direction, rapidly. ^_^

If I happen to be in the city (a place that I despise), the .40-caliber pistol on the belt around my waist probably makes them nervous, too. Which is too bad---I have a valid CPL and plenty of training, and they should actually thank me, because if some BLAMtifa thug were to attack them, I'd likely drop the guy before he could do too much damage.

Archivist · Nov 21, 2020

Wolseley said:
Yeah? Just as a point of reference, the Congress of the United States is supposed to work with an elected president, to get things done for the benefit of the American People, not fight and squabble and pout and refuse to pass legislation because they didn't like who was elected. The behavior of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the Merry Band certainly has made them look like spoiled three-year old children for the last four years.

Take this Covid virus that you're all so terrified about, as an example: how much further down the road towards stemming the pandemic would we be if Our Esteemed Congressroaches had put the full force and effort of the legislative branch into helping find a solution, instead of spending virtually every waking second trying to figure out ways to get rid of Trump?

They're not worth a plugged Zimbabwean nickel, every last one of them. The only legislator I had any respect for is Trey Gowdy, and he got disgusted with the Ringling Brothers Circus and quit---and I don't blame him. If I had my way, every last scumbag in Congress would be thrown out on their ear, and replaced with honorably discharged military veterans, because the veterans at least have some personal integrity---and they believe in that Constitution they swore an oath to defend. Our current pack of Congressional vermin care about two things: getting more power to force the People to acquiesce to their Left-wing La-La Land agendas, and getting more and more money to line their pockets with.

I frankly don't believe it's realistic to blame Trump for the number of Covid deaths. Sure, he was in office when this mess hit. But he was in office while more than 10,500 people were killed on the highways by drunk drivers every year, too---are we going to blame him for that as well? If you say Trump had no control over that, I will say he had no control over Covid, either. All he could have done would have been to clamp down Stalinist-style draconian restrictions to force people off the streets (which I'm sure the Democrats would have loved), but that still wouldn't have done anything to solve the problem. Because when the restrictions were lifted, Covid would still be there, picking its teeth and waiting. You can hide in the coal mines for 800 years like Dr. Strangelove suggested, but that won't make the virus go away. Two days or two millennia, it's still going to be there, waiting. Or, you could allow people to simply go out and build up a herd immunity as the virus runs its course. Would there be deaths? Sure there would. But there will be anyway.

As for me being re-elected if I were Trump......I dunno about that. I can assure you that my executive orders would not be popular with the progressive crowd.

If you have read what I’ve posted you know that I’m not talking about the relations between the Congress and the President. I’m talking about the transition between an outgoing administration and an incoming administration. Try rereading my posts 13 and 15. The transition is covered by the Presidential Transition Act of 1963.

Wolseley · Nov 21, 2020

Archivist said:
If you have read what I’ve posted you know that I’m not talking about the relations between the Congress and the President. I’m talking about the transition between an outgoing administration and an incoming administration. Try rereading my posts 13 and 15. The transition is covered by the Presidential Transition Act of 1963.

And you're not following me, either: I know fully well that the Congress and the President are supposed to work together during a transition. Congress and the President are supposed to work together through the course of any given administration, too.

Have they done that? No, and that's my point.

Archivist · Nov 21, 2020

Wolseley said:
And you're not following me, either: I know fully well that the Congress and the President are supposed to work together during a transition. Congress and the President are supposed to work together through the course of any given administration, too.

Have they done that? No, and that's my point.

But that isn’t what I’m talking about. The incoming and outgoing administrations are to work together. The outgoing Obama administration work with Trump, now he doesn’t want to extend that same courtesy to the Biden administration.

Probably best to end this here since we are talking about two different things.

Liam Hayden · Nov 21, 2020

Halbhh said:
A manual recount of 5 million ballots cast in Georgia showed Thursday that Joe Biden won the presidential election, validating initial results.

The recount found that Biden received 12,284 more votes than President Donald Trump.

Georgia manual recount confirms Biden victory

That's such a strong showing for a Democrat, to win Georgia!

Biden has won this election we can see.

I am wondering why David Perdue did not ask for the same. He was within a few hundred votes of 50% and with Trump's increase due to discovered ballots probably would have passed that threshold.

Liam Hayden · Nov 21, 2020

Archivist said:
But that isn’t what I’m talking about. The incoming and outgoing administrations are to work together. The outgoing Obama administration work with Trump, now he doesn’t want to extend that same courtesy to the Biden administration.

Probably best to end this here since we are talking about two different things.

The outgoing Obama Administration began a farcical investigation based upon what it knew was faulty intel that crippled the Trump Administration for the first three years.

Halbhh · Nov 21, 2020

Liam Hayden said:
The outgoing Obama Administration began a farcical investigation based upon what it knew was faulty intel that crippled the Trump Administration for the first three years.

The Republican controlled Senate committee that investigated the Russian interference in the lection for years, very in depth concluded many things, published, and you can read it first hand.

Yourself. So, that instead of relying on a viewpoint you heard from someone, you can instead directly read the report from the Senate.

e.g. --

"In 2016, Russian operatives associated with the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) used social media to conduct an information warfare campaign designed to spread disinformation and societal division in the United States. 1
...
"Masquerading as Americans, these operatives used targeted advertisements, intentionally falsified news articles, self-generated content, and social media platform tools to interact with and attempt to deceive tens of millions of social media users in the United States. This campaign sought to polarize Americans on the basis of societal, ideological, and racial differences, provoked real world events, and was part of a foreign government's covert support of Russia's favored candidate in the U.S. presidential election . ..."
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf

(Get that? The 'favored candidate is of course Donald Trump.)

Unfortunately, people from Trump's campaign in 2016 met with Russians, and it seems were likely to have been manipulated by them.

Needless to say, that's not trivial to many of us, who are aware that Putin wants of course to hobble or harm the U.S. ability to deter his own plans.

A strong U.S. is a very real threat to Putin's free hand to take over more territory and gain more power and direct control of more areas, as he did in the Crimea.

chad kincham · Nov 21, 2020

Halbhh said:
A manual recount of 5 million ballots cast in Georgia showed Thursday that Joe Biden won the presidential election, validating initial results.

The recount found that Biden received 12,284 more votes than President Donald Trump.

Georgia manual recount confirms Biden victory

That's such a strong showing for a Democrat, to win Georgia!

Biden has won this election we can see.

And we all knew, because it was reported when it started, that the recount was a joke, because they still weren’t using signature verification on the ballots, so all they did was count the fake ballots a second time.

chad kincham · Nov 21, 2020

Halbhh said:
The Republican controlled Senate committee that investigated the Russian interference in the lection for years, very in depth concluded many things, published, and you can read it first hand.

Yourself. So, that instead of relying on a viewpoint you heard from someone, you can instead directly read the report from the Senate.

e.g. --

"In 2016, Russian operatives associated with the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) used social media to conduct an information warfare campaign designed to spread disinformation and societal division in the United States. 1
...
"Masquerading as Americans, these operatives used targeted advertisements, intentionally falsified news articles, self-generated content, and social media platform tools to interact with and attempt to deceive tens of millions of social media users in the United States. This campaign sought to polarize Americans on the basis of societal, ideological, and racial differences, provoked real world events, and was part of a foreign government's covert support of Russia's favored candidate in the U.S. presidential election . ..."
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume2.pdf

(Get that? The 'favored candidate is of course Donald Trump.)

Unfortunately, people from Trump's campaign in 2016 met with Russians, and it seems were likely to have been manipulated by them.

Needless to say, that's not trivial to many of us, who are aware that Putin wants of course to hobble or harm the U.S. ability to deter his own plans.

A strong U.S. is a very real threat to Putin's free hand to take over more territory and gain more power and direct control of more areas, as he did in the Crimea.

The so called Russian interference was that they bought some ads on social media that were ineffective.

BTW who was president when Russia invaded Crimea, and did nothing about it?

tulc · Nov 22, 2020

Liam Hayden said:
The outgoing Obama Administration began a farcical investigation based upon what it knew was faulty intel that crippled the Trump Administration for the first three years. (emph. added)

Two years of which The Republicans controlled the Senate, the House and the executive branch? They weren't too "crippled" to get a $2,000,000,000,000 tax cut for the 1%s were they? They weren't too "crippled" to get a couple of Justices on the Supreme Court were they? They weren't too "crippled" to roll back as many environmental laws as possible were they? They weren't too "crippled" to remove that group of people in China that could have given the US a warning about the spread of Covide-19 were they? They weren't too "crippled" to raise the National Debt by about $7,000,000,000,000? They weren't too "crippled" to start a trade war with China were they? Or could answer be: "Making an ex-reality tv show host and failed businessman President was, on the whole, a really bad idea!"?
tulc(just curious)

alan650 · Nov 22, 2020

Wolseley said:
And you're not following me, either: I know fully well that the Congress and the President are supposed to work together during a transition. Congress and the President are supposed to work together through the course of any given administration, too.

Have they done that? No, and that's my point.

Congress, which is made up of the House and Senate, have nothing to do with an incumbent president and his administration conceding and then handing over the reigns. You are getting confused with partisan politics of congress which has been present for centuries. Republicans and Democrats have always disagreed and will continue to disagree about policies. This is not all the point of this conversation though! Every president outgoing in history has conceded in a reasonable time and handed over the reigns of the incoming administration. The outgoing presidents USUALLY put country over party and ego but with Trump of course it's just not what is happening at all. A mature leader thinks of the safety of America by allowing the next president to know all the information they really need to know. America's security is at threat here with Trump and his administration refusing to allow Biden to have pertinent security data so he can start forming a team to lead and protect America. So is this how an American patriot "WHO LOVES AMERICA SOOOO MUCH!" should be acting?? I just can't fathom the lack of common sense that has infected millions who agree that our president should be putting our own country at risk by refusing to hand over the reigns. It's unconscionable to fathom that there are millions of those trying to protect this man's fragile ego just as much as he does!

alan650 · Nov 22, 2020

tulc said:
Two years of which The Republicans controlled the Senate, the House and the executive branch? They weren't too "crippled" to get a $2,000,000,000,000 tax cut for the 1%s were they? They weren't too "crippled" to get a couple of Justices on the Supreme Court were they? They weren't too "crippled" to roll back as many environmental laws as possible were they? They weren't too "crippled" to remove that group of people in China that could have given the US a warning about the spread of Covide-19 were they? They weren't too "crippled" to raise the National Debt by about $7,000,000,000,000? They weren't too "crippled" to start a trade war with China were they? Or could answer be: "Making an ex-reality tv show host and failed businessman President was, on the whole, a really bad idea!"?
tulc(just curious)

You are my favorite person on these forums. I have agreed 100 percent on basically everything I've seen you say on varying topics. It's refreshing to see a Christian who doesn't have the "Trump and Republicans=HOLY AND CHOSEN OF GOD!" mentality that has sadly infected millions.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Nov 22, 2020

Halbhh said:
Trying to get the Michigan legislature to overturn the vote in Michigan, because he didn't like that vote outcome....

No. Because the Michigan vote was ripe with fraud and is therefore invalid.

Archivist · Nov 22, 2020

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
No. Because the Michigan vote was ripe with fraud and is therefore invalid.

That should be easy to prove, but the Trump campaign dropped its lawsuit. Where is the evidence?

tulc · Nov 22, 2020

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
No. Because the Michigan vote was ripe with fraud and is therefore invalid.

Than prove it. Post the evidence
tulc(is sure everyone would be interested in seeing it) :wave:

miamited · Nov 22, 2020

alan650 said:
You are my favorite person on these forums. I have agreed 100 percent on basically everything I've seen you say on varying topics. It's refreshing to see a Christian who doesn't have the "Trump and Republicans=HOLY AND CHOSEN OF GOD!" mentality that has sadly infected millions.

Hey tulc,

That's not fair!!!! You get more likes than I do. I think it's a rigged system. I'll bet the CF server has an algorithm that for every 1 like I get, you get 2, maybe even 3!! I demand a recount@!!!! LOL!!!!

God bless you guys,
ted

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Nov 22, 2020

tulc said:
Than prove it. Post the evidence
tulc(is sure everyone would be interested in seeing it)

Well. Supposedly the evidence, aka "the kraken" will be unleashed in court by the trump team. But, as I have stated before, "evidence" is subjective to one's level of skepticism.

miamited · Nov 22, 2020

Hi wolseley,

You wrote:

Wolseley said:
Congress and the President are supposed to work together through the course of any given administration, too.

Sure, they're supposed to...for the most part. However, the executive and the legislative branches are often at odds. The most recent huge fiasco previous to the Trump administration would be the Obama administrations push to pass a meaningful healthcare bill. But not everything is governed by a set of published rules and laws. A lot of practices of the branches of government come about just by tradition. It has, for the last 10-15 changes from one administration to the next at least, been the tradition for the outgoing leader to allow the incoming leader all that would be necessary for him to do his job pretty much as soon as he takes over the office. This has always been accomplished by the two leaders working together and allowing the incoming leader access to pertinent national information that is going to affect the new leader's first days in office.

Unfortunately, it's dangerous for a nation to expect that a new leader is going to need some catch up time to learn the ropes and so the transition period is provided for that new leader to pretty much be in step on the day that he takes over. Other nations may well try to take advantage of an administration that has to start the day that the previous leader left the office in its work to set up an administration.

I'm sure there will be a change before this has a chance to happen again, but we now know that we need a law to force the GSA to begin the transition period within a week or two of an election where a new president is coming in. Fortunately for us, president-elect Biden has been here before and so he already knows a lot of how an administration actually works. It would be even more dangerous for the nation if the new president were someone who was brand new to the workings of the WH and the job of being president, and they weren't given any time prior to taking over the reigns to find out how processes and procedures work.

But, if Donald Trump has proven anything to the people since he's been in office, it's that he will go to the ends of the universe to exact retribution. For those who have followed his life, this has been a regular practice of his pretty much from the time he was weaned. Many who study human nature also see that exact same nature in others of the Trump men in the Donald Trump family. I don't think that Eric has it quite as bad as his dad, but Don, Jr. wasn't given that name for nothing.

God bless,
ted

tulc · Nov 22, 2020

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Well. Supposedly the evidence, aka "the kraken" will be unleashed in court by the trump team. But, as I have stated before, "evidence" is subjective to one's level of skepticism.

So...other than all the discredited "evidence" that's come out, the only "proof" you have to support your claim is "President Trump/team say they have proof and that's enough for me."? Because I'm not sure that's enough to throw out millions of Americans votes all because President Trump/supporters don't like the results. I'm sorry, but that's kind of how elections work, someone gets more votes than the other person and that person wins the election. And in real life people don't get to cry and demand "do overs!!" just because they don't like the results.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

miamited · Nov 22, 2020

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Well. Supposedly the evidence, aka "the kraken" will be unleashed in court by the trump team. But, as I have stated before, "evidence" is subjective to one's level of skepticism.

I'd be careful if I was going to hold my breath in anticipation of that 'evidence' being forthcoming.

There isn't any great and glorious healthcare plan. There isn't any plan for fixing the nation's infrastructure. There isn't any 'mountains of evidence' to support election fraud or malfeasance. This is just the way Donald Trump thinks. He believes that he can hold out a carrot of hope, without ever having a carrot.

Here's a good story of how much truth matters to Donald Trump. His own butler, Anthony Senecal, who has served the Trump family at Mar-a-Lago since Donald Trump took over the property, tells a story of some painted tile covered in nursery rhymes. He says that Mr. Trump likes to tell people that they were painted personally by Walt Disney himself. When the butler tells Mr. Trump that the story he's telling people isn't true, Trump responds, "Who cares?" Trump knows that it just makes people feel good to think that those tile are hand painted by Walt Disney and it adds value to his life to tell people that. Whether it's true or not really doesn't have any bearing on his telling about them.

That's always been the 'truth' to Donald Trump. Whatever sounds better to make him look more important or, in the case of criminal activities, hides such activity. For Donald Trump, that's what determines truth.

God bless,
ted

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