Can we choose evil and good?

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to reckless indiscretion. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.

Agree, yet Jesus didn't fill the wedding jars with spirit.

Landon Caeli · Nov 22, 2020

timothyu said:
Agree, yet Jesus didn't fill the wedding jars with spirit.

I thought he turned the jars of water into wine, and they had a party.

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I thought he turned the jars of water into wine, and they had a party.

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
He didn't say exactly, but I assume it means leaving the house and getting totally, out-of-mind, intoxicated.

There's an awful lot of unnecessary risk of harm here, to yourself and to others, ... which is why the Lord would have us spend our time in a more heathful way.

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

A_Thinker said:
There's an awful lot of unnecessary risk of harm here, to yourself and to others, ... which is why the Lord would have us spend our time in a more heathful way.

About abusing the temple and all that. Besides, a clear head can be an advantage sometimes.

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

Agallagher said:
I have someone in my life I know who just wants to do drugs and skim by without a job;

I don’t have authority to tell him what he should and shouldn’t do. I can encourage but maybe that is not his route he wanna go on he gotta make his own choices as a man.

It costs to live. If he isn't paying his costs to live, ... then somebody else is ...

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
In my opinion, moderation is the key factor. If someone can balance a job, and responsibilities without falling off the deep end, then maybe that's not going too far. Maybe such a person who also loves God and what is good could be one of the flock.

Depends on what is wished for the future. Attaining a productive role in society requires much effort and clear thinking. One bad habit is all it takes to ruin that ...

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

A_Thinker said:
Attaining a productive role in society requires much effort and clear thinking. One bad habit is all it takes to ruin that ...

Agreed but one must remember that our initial role is productivity to the Kingdom and not the world of man.

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
He says his actions make other people he's close to angry with him, because they don't want him to go out and party all night. He said they denigrate and belittle him, and they do it out of disrespect for his own freedom... He says they want to "control" him, and that everyone has been "trained" into siding with this controlling, narcissistic type of behavior, but in reality, it actually isn't rational.

These are, likely, people who want to see him remain productive, non-addicted, ... and out of prison ...

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

timothyu said:
Agree, yet Jesus didn't fill the wedding jars with spirit.

Jesus provided the wedding party with wine, in a land where fresh water was scarce.

A glass of champagne at a wedding reception is one thing. Drinking to excess is another ...

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

timothyu said:
Agreed but one must remember that our initial role is productivity to the Kingdom and not the world of man.

Steady effort and clarity of mind and spirit is vital to productivity in the Kingdom as well ...

Carl Emerson · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
I thought he turned the jars of water into wine, and they had a party.

Jesus provided wine.

Jesus did not condone drunkenness.

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

A_Thinker said:
A glass of champagne at a wedding reception is one thing. Drinking to excess is another ...

Depends who you are marrying

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

Carl Emerson said:
Jesus did not condone drunkenness.

But He did condone forgiveness

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

timothyu said:
Depends who you are marrying

If that's the case, ... then maybe you shouldn't be getting married ...

A_Thinker · Nov 22, 2020

timothyu said:
But He did condone forgiveness

Those who love you can forgive many things.

The law of life, OTOH, forgives nothing ...

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

A_Thinker said:
Those who love you can forgive many things.

Matthew 5: 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

friend of · Nov 22, 2020

It sounds like your friend is under the false impression that his many good deeds will override the sin of blackout intoxication. They don't. Heavy intoxication is a sin. We should not be mastered by anything that diminishes the Holy Spirit's presence in our lives.

Maria Billingsley · Nov 22, 2020

Landon Caeli said:
That's interesting... As a Catholic I never knew that, I thought we had to actually be sorry for sins, and vow to try and not do them again or else the whole confession isn't valid, and forgiveness isn't granted... I thought you can't "fool" God...

Your right, only God knows the heart so repentance is the way forward with the power of the Holy Spirit. Conflating the two is not wise as true repentance is "changing one's mind" and not the act of remorse/confession.

timothyu · Nov 22, 2020

friend of said:
Heavy intoxication is a sin.

That is often said with no scripture to back it. Are we talking a drunken man in his tent in the OT or perhaps that it does not put the will of God before the will of man?

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