Time to get off Joe Biden's back

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Obama was an excellent president. I think Biden will also be an excellent leader. That’s why he got my vote.
Well he hasn't even been sworn into office yet and he already broke two promises. 1.) He declared victory prior to the certification of the election results. 2.) He promised to tell us whether or not he would pack the courts pending ACB's confirmation and before the election. So his leadership does not have a very good start.
 
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Well he hasn't even been sworn into office yet and he already broke two promises. 1.) He declared victory prior to the certification of the election results. 2.) He promised to tell us whether or not he would pack the courts pending ACB's confirmation and before the election. So his leadership does not have a very good start.
Every president I know of has declared victory prior to the certification of the election results. How is that a broken promise?
 
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And Biden waited until his victory was certified by the AP. What is the problem?

The problem is that Trump doesn't agree with the certification. Trump thinks Biden should wait until Trump admits he lost.
 
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The problem is that Trump doesn't agree with the certification. Trump thinks Biden should wait until Trump admits he lost.
Biden never agreed to wait until Trump admits he lost. The fact is that Biden has won this election.
 
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And Biden waited until his victory was certified by the AP. What is the problem?
So what authority does the AP have to certify a presidential election? None! The election has not been certified yet. There are still cases pending and ballots being counted. Do you remember the 2000 election? Perhaps we should go back further and ask if Hairy Truman was an illegitimate president?

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The problem is that Trump doesn't agree with the certification. Trump thinks Biden should wait until Trump admits he lost.
What certification? The AP does not certify an election. They never have.
 
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So what authority does the AP have to certify a presidential election? None! The election has not been certified yet. There are still cases pending and ballots being counted. Do you remember the 2000 election? Perhaps we should go back further and ask if Hairy Truman was an illegitimate president?

Did Trump wait until the election had been certified by the states to declare victory four years ago? He did not. Biden never promised to wait until each state certified is votes, he promised to wait until it was "independently certified." The AP did that, it declared that he had won. Yes, there are cases pending. Thus far Trump has lost every case.
 
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What certification? The application does not certify an election. They never have.

Trump in fact declared victory after the AP certified the election. Yes, unofficial, but that's the way it is. Whinging because Biden did the same thing Trump did, is rather pointless.
 
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The Truth About Biden's Stutter, According To An Expert

It has been known for years that Biden struggles with stuttering.

Yes, he has stated some really stupid things, yes, I do not believe for one moment he would ever make a good president, yes, I think he is exactly what we do NOT need.

But let's not mock and belittle the man for fumbling over words because of a physical issue that is not his making. To live a very public life, having to speak multiple times in multiple venues while having a speech impediment is a statement of the man's power to overcome something that makes thousands silent and embarrassed.

Let's judge his words and actions and NOT his ability for eloquence.

Agree. I will attempt to refrain from belittling the man for any of his physicals infirmities. Instead I will concentrate on the substance of what he does, what he thinks and what he advocates. All fertile ground for criticism, sarcasm and good humor.
 
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Trump in fact declared victory after the AP certified the election. Yes, unofficial, but that's the way it is. Whinging because Biden did the same thing Trump did, is rather pointless.

Trump did do that, but the AP does not certify elections. The State authorities do that. It is a legal term that means a specific thing in regards to an election. The AP does not have the power to certify. If you substitute a different word or term for certify I would fully agree with your main point that Biden is doing nothing different than Trump did and others have done. Whether any of them they ought to do it is debatable. I think it would be best to declare victory only after the electors have voted. After all, that is when the election is actually over and the winner is official.
 
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Trump did do that, but the AP does not certify elections.

They declare winners. Not officially, of course, but it's rather pointless for Trump to whine that Biden has done what Trump did.

I wonder if republicans realize that enabling Trump to do all this stupidity will degrade the confidence of Americans in the electoral college and increase the pressure for direct election of presidents.
 
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TRUMP IS NOT THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD. THIS IS.


The Truth About Biden's Stutter, According To An Expert

It has been known for years that Biden struggles with stuttering.

Yes, he has stated some really stupid things, yes, I do not believe for one moment he would ever make a good president, yes, I think he is exactly what we do NOT need.

But let's not mock and belittle the man for fumbling over words because of a physical issue that is not his making. To live a very public life, having to speak multiple times in multiple venues while having a speech impediment is a statement of the man's power to overcome something that makes thousands silent and embarrassed.

Let's judge his words and actions and NOT his ability for eloquence.
 
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Trump did do that, but the AP does not certify elections. The State authorities do that. It is a legal term that means a specific thing in regards to an election. The AP does not have the power to certify. If you substitute a different word or term for certify I would fully agree with your main point that Biden is doing nothing different than Trump did and others have done. Whether any of them they ought to do it is debatable. I think it would be best to declare victory only after the electors have voted. After all, that is when the election is actually over and the winner is official.
Biden promised that he would not declare victory until his win had been “independently certified.” He fulfilled that promise; he did not declare victory until it had been declared by the networks (who relied on the AP) just as every president (including Trump) in the age of television has done. He never said that he would not declare victory until after the official results were confirmed by the states.

Biden is in good company when it comes to stuttering. Both of the UK’s wartime leaders, King George VI and Prime Minister Winston Churchill, stuttered.
 
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Stuttering? No problem. Blithering?

I have no problem with him stuttering. I have no problem with his stupid gaffes, like when he asked the guy in the wheelchair to stand up and be recognized.

Sniffing and groping little girls, however----THAT I have a problem with.

And it's not something he should be blamed for, the blithering. It's just a sign of decline for the poor man. It's not his fault. He has lots of other faults, like a temper, like having so many wrong positions, and all of that. His confusion is a serious thing, and will have to be dealt with soon enough, but it isn't a moral flaw.

Oh, it'll be dealt with. He'll be declared incompetent and removed within the year, making way for Kamala, which is who the Democrats wanted in there to begin with; Biden was just a means to an end.

For the record, my mom is 95. She occasionally will call her sister by the wrong name. She will occasionally forget the name of a restaurant or store. That doesn’t mean she is senile. It doesn’t mean she has dementia.

I am delighted that your mother is doing so well. Is she going to be entering the White House in January?

If not, I submit that how well she's doing is irrelevant with regards to how well Joe might handle the job---because from the looks of things, he is going into the White House.
 
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I have no problem with him stuttering. I have no problem with his stupid gaffes, like when he asked the guy in the wheelchair to stand up and be recognized.

Sniffing and groping little girls, however----THAT I have a problem with.

Now you are getting into something different. What does that have to do with him "blithering?" Of course Trump has said all sorts of stupid stuff and has talked about grabbing women by the _______, but you don't complain about that.

Oh, it'll be dealt with. He'll be declared incompetent and removed within the year, making way for Kamala, which is who the Democrats wanted in there to begin with; Biden was just a means to an end.

Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined the President-elect? If not, you have no grounds for making such a statement.

I am delighted that your mother is doing so well. Is she going to be entering the White House in January?

I don't recall saying that she was.

If not, I submit that how well she's doing is irrelevant with regards to how well Joe might handle the job---because from the looks of things, he is going into the White House.

And, again, unless you have a medical degree and have examined the President-elect you have know business saying any such thing. Your opinion is worthless.
 
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Now you are getting into something different. What does that have to do with him "blithering?"

It has to do with the fact that I find his blithering to be less offensive than his pedophilia. You wish to avoid his pedophilia, apparently, for reasons yet to be determined....do you find it disturbing?

Of course Trump has said all sorts of stupid stuff and has talked about grabbing women by the _______, but you don't complain about that.

:) Trump made a crude remark, once, in a locker room, which was a private conversation. In public, I have seen no evidence of him ever fondling women, in the pelvic area or anywhere else, for that matter. Biden, on the other hand.....

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Are you a medical doctor? Have you examined the President-elect? If not, you have no grounds for making such a statement....And, again, unless you have a medical degree and have examined the President-elect you have know business saying any such thing.

Stay tuned. We'll see who's right.

Your opinion is worthless.

Au contraire, mon ami----it's worth every bit as much as yours. ;)
 
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