Let's talk about what it means to be "free"...?

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

I'm trying this in this forum area first, but might try it elsewhere later, but wanted to try it here first...?

Anyway, let's talk about what it means to be "free", and what it means to be "truly free"...?

And then what also it means for "everyone" to be "truly free", and to also all each be truly and equally free, in say like a, "collective" setting, or situation or circumstance, etc...?

Is it "free time", etc...? Is it having a bunch of things, or a lot of earthly or worldly possessions, or being "rich", etc...?

And this might also tie into what it means or takes to be truly "happy" also, etc...?

Cause that might mean or include having a lot of people around, or very a lot of very highly meaningful relationships, and then having what we have to truly have in order to have, or keep, or maintain or sustain that, or those things also, etc...?

Or it might mean or include that for some people, etc, and it/that could alter one's definition or perception of what it truly means to be truly free, etc, cause it could also mean having all of that which one can have, or that one truly has to have to make one truly happy also, etc...
Then I might also have to mention how hard one should also have to "work" or "slave" for maybe some of these things also, and for how long/much of their lives for these things also, etc...?

What if, in order for you to be more free, (by your definition of it) it means you must squash and/or have to take away some of the freedoms of some others, etc, or maybe a very much greater and many more numerous others in order for only just you and/or just yours to have all of the freedoms that you truly wish to have and/or desire, when you are just one person or just a very few, etc...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

Oh, and, P.S, this is supposed to be a "discussion", and not an "argument", on what we all might think it means to be "free", and "truly free", and/or "truly happy", and/or how or what that would mean exactly, for yourself maybe first, and then maybe everyone equally or collectively next, and then making sure those two would not come into conflict maybe after that, etc...?

Discuss, etc...?

God Bless!

mlepfitjw · Nov 21, 2020

What does it mean to be Free, for me in the spiritual since is to have inexpressible joy in the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ, and to have contentment in my heart resting in him. That to me is truly freeing. What about you? Neo?

Akita Suggagaki · Nov 21, 2020

Two kinds of freedom:
1. Freedom to do what you want to do. This will always have restrictions (socially agreed upon?) and natural ( we can levitate).

2. The freedom Jesus talked about, "I have overcome the world". This has more to do with being a slave to our desires, addictions, passions, phobias, neuroses, etc.

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

Agallagher said:
What does it mean to be Free, for me in the spiritual since is to have inexpressible joy in the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ, and to have contentment in my heart resting in him. That to me is truly freeing. What about you? Neo?

I think that one day, we will be more free than we ever can or could be, much much more free than still being here I mean, etc...

But as for freedom here, I think there will always be limitations and restrictions, especially in trying to have the most of it for all, and for all each equally here right now, and for in the here and now, right now, etc...

But certainly knowing God, and having joy and/or peace, or satisfaction contentment or bliss, etc, the list goes on, etc, in the Lord, in the here and now, etc, can give you a certain kind of freedom that no one can take away from you in the here and now, etc, cause it is, or is not supposed to be, at all based on any of the current circumstances in the here and now ever in the here and now right now, etc, but I am kind of trying to gather some other opinions apart from that primarily right now, etc, as it is that or those parts that I don't know if I have fully formulated a 100% for sure opinion on yet right now, etc...? But I think you are, in one aspect, 100% totally and truly correct, etc, but I am wondering more about other, maybe more practical maybe and maybe more "less existential" aspects of it right now though...?

But I believe that, in one aspect of it, you are 100% truly correct though...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

@Agallagher

I guess I am more gathering opinions on what would make everyone truly happy from what we all can get or gain and/or desire or want out of and from this world right now, etc...? Maybe speaking much more practically, or maybe even speaking much more materially speaking maybe, or maybe in a just much more practical, and maybe much much less existential sense maybe right now maybe, etc...? from and/or in and/or out of this world and the things of and/or belonging to this world right now maybe...? or each other maybe in that aspect right now maybe...? while we are all still together in it together still right now maybe, etc...?

And I guess I would just like to gather everyone's opinions on that right now I guess maybe, etc...?

What would make and keep us all "happy", as it pertains to those things, etc...?

And what would keep and or make us all happy equally together in this or these things, etc...?

Without not even a single one, ever being truly unhappy at all ever maybe, etc...?

And then maybe, how could we all maybe maintain that all equally together and perpetually together maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
@Agallagher

I guess I am more gathering opinions on what would make everyone truly happy from what we all can get or gain and/or desire or want out of and from this world right now, etc...? Maybe speaking much more practically, or maybe even speaking much more materially speaking maybe, or maybe in a just much more practical, and maybe much much less existential sense maybe right now maybe, etc...? from and/or in and/or out of this world and the things of and/or belonging to this world right now maybe...? or each other maybe in that aspect right now maybe...? while we are all still together in it together still right now maybe, etc...?

And I guess I would just like to gather everyone's opinions on that right now I guess maybe, etc...?

What would make and keep us all "happy", as it pertains to those things, etc...?

And what would keep and or make us all happy equally together in this or these things, etc...?

Without not even a single one, ever being truly unhappy at all ever maybe, etc...?

And then maybe, how could we all maybe maintain that all equally together and perpetually together maybe, etc...?

God Bless!

And I guess it has to come down to the way we all "define" all of these things, etc...? All these ideals like, "freedom", "joy", "peace", "happiness", and the like, etc, and I guess I am just wanting to gather opinions on that or those I guess maybe, etc...?

And then maybe we could then discuss the ones that are either right, or else maybe wrong maybe...? Or if not right or wrong, etc, then maybe what else would either would work, or else would not ever work at all maybe, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!

Rachel20 · Nov 21, 2020

In the context of John 8, true freedom is being freed from servitude to sin (v34).

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

Rachel20 said:
In the context of John 8, true freedom is being freed from servitude to sin (v34).

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Oh and I 100% completely agree, as that would most certainly solve all of our problems, etc, all of them, etc, but, what does that look like practically speaking, and/or in this world, and in this modern age and era right now, etc...?

How can we all get a "picture" of it/that, etc, and how can we all each agree to it all equally, etc...?

And again, what would that "look like" practically speaking, etc...?

And, also and/or again, what would that look like practically speaking "for everyone", etc...?

And also maybe, if we can get a "picture" of it, etc, and one we can all agree on, etc, then how do we also "get there" also, etc...?

God Bless!

Jesus is YHWH · Nov 21, 2020

To me " to be free", " freedom" is just a natural illusion, a deception. The U.S. Constitution declared freedom for all yet endorsed slavery by its very founders.

There is only one time man was actually free and that was before sin entered this world. Adam was actually free to choose between right and wrong, to obey God or not. From the moment he sinned mankind was no longer free.

Fast forward to Jesus day.

He said whom the Son sets free is free indeed !

This presumes man is not in any state free or have freedom.

Below is how the scriptures describe man is his natural state apart from Christ.

Man by nature is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9),
Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
Man loves darkness (John 3:19),
Man does not seek for God (Romans 3:10-12),
Man is ungodly (Romans 5:6),
Man is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1),
Man by nature is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14),
Man is a slave of sin (Romans 6:16-20)
Man is sinful at birth, sinful from the time of conception (Psalms 51:5)
Man is like a filthy rag his garments stained by sin and is unrighteous ( Isaiah 64:6)
Man is hostile towards God and cannot submit to Him or His law ( Romans 8:7)
Man cannot do good and is completely incapable of such an act ( Romans 3:12)
Man is not born with faith so everything is done in sin ( Romans 14:23)
Man has not one single thing that is good in him ( Romans 7:18)
Man is born condemned ( John 3:18)

So man in his natural state is a slave of sin, dead in sin, sin is his master, his heart is wicked and cannot understand spiritual things because his heart is dark because of sin. Man loves sin and hates God.

A Slave is not free until his master sets him free. Until then he has no freedom.

Whom the Son sets free is Free indeed. Until the Son becomes your Master and Lord you cannot choose to do good because you are enslaved to sin. Jesus must give you a new heart, a new birth , His Spirit must dwell in you to overcome sin so that you will be able to choose to obey Him when you are tempted to sin. Only A BORN AGAIN believer has Freedom from sin.

hope this helps !!!

Neogaia777 · Nov 21, 2020

Jesus is YHWH said:
To me " to be free", " freedom" is just a natural illusion, a deception. The U.S. Constitution declared freedom for all yet endorsed slavery by its very founders.

I think their dream and vision was good, and that they maybe spoke good into the future, even though most of them knew they had not fully lived up to, nor were fully truly able to live up to it fully yet, at that time anyway, but I think they were looking at or toward a future day and date and time when it would or could be, etc...

And slavery was done away with later on, due to the way one man, or some people (men) interpreted that original vision and/or dream, etc, and then it even further progressed later on with the civil rights movement later on, etc, again, due to the way certain men, and certain people were interpreting those original words and/or that original dream, etc...

And were still trying to live up to or fulfill it even more still now, etc, and still have not yet got there fully yet fully yet, etc...

Jesus is YHWH said:
There is only one time man was actually free and that was before sin entered this world. Adam was actually free to choose between right and wrong, to obey God or not. From the moment he sinned mankind was no longer free.

I would "choose" to discuss "choice", and true free will with you at another time...

Jesus is YHWH said:
He said whom the Son sets free is free indeed !

Do you believe that Jesus can set a group, or some groups, or some large group and/or groups, of people, or entire peoples, free...?

Jesus is YHWH said:
Below is how the scriptures describe man is his natural state apart from Christ.

Man by nature is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9),
Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
Man loves darkness (John 3:19),
Man does not seek for God (Romans 3:10-12),
Man is ungodly (Romans 5:6),
Man is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1),
Man by nature is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14),
Man is a slave of sin (Romans 6:16-20)
Man is sinful at birth, sinful from the time of conception (Psalms 51:5)
Man is like a filthy rag his garments stained by sin and is unrighteous ( Isaiah 64:6)
Man is hostile towards God and cannot submit to Him or His law ( Romans 8:7)
Man cannot do good and is completely incapable of such an act ( Romans 3:12)
Man is not born with faith so everything is done in sin ( Romans 14:23)
Man has not one single thing that is good in him ( Romans 7:18)
Man is born condemned ( John 3:18)

So man in his natural state is a slave of sin, dead in sin, sin is his master, his heart is wicked and cannot understand spiritual things because his heart is dark because of sin.

This is very very true, there are a lot of men like this, still have yet to be truly born again, etc...

Jesus is YHWH said:
Man loves sin and hates God.

Not all men do, I see a lot of people hating their sin, while others, who are usually against them, are all but relishing in theirs, etc, and are even "bragging" about theirs sometimes, and are doing this even in the very act of condemning and/or trying to condemn others for theirs, etc...

Jesus is YHWH said:
A Slave is not free until his master sets him free. Until then he has no freedom.

Very, very true...

Do you think Jesus can set groups of people free...?

Jesus is YHWH said:
Whom the Son sets free is Free indeed. Until the Son becomes your Master and Lord you cannot choose to do good because you are enslaved to sin. Jesus must give you a new heart, a new birth , His Spirit must dwell in you to overcome sin so that you will be able to choose to obey Him when you are tempted to sin. Only A BORN AGAIN believer has Freedom from sin.

Is one born again by just mouthing the words, or does it need to come truly from the heart, etc...?

And I'll choose to discuss choice with you another time, etc...

Jesus is YHWH said:
hope this helps !!!

It was "informative"... Very "telling", etc...

God Bless!

RickReads · Nov 25, 2020

I believe that true freedom is the power to become a child of God and to do his will. The freedom to live righteously is the only true freedom there is.

Akita Suggagaki · Nov 25, 2020

RickReads said:
I believe that true freedom is the power to become a child of God and to do his will. The freedom to live righteously is the only true freedom there is.

Don't we all have that freedom and simply choose not to take the path?

Soyeong · Nov 26, 2020

Neogaia777 said:
I'm trying this in this forum area first, but might try it elsewhere later, but wanted to try it here first...?

Anyway, let's talk about what it means to be "free", and what it means to be "truly free"...?

And then what also it means for "everyone" to be "truly free", and to also all each be truly and equally free, in say like a, "collective" setting, or situation or circumstance, etc...?

Is it "free time", etc...? Is it having a bunch of things, or a lot of earthly or worldly possessions, or being "rich", etc...?

And this might also tie into what it means or takes to be truly "happy" also, etc...?

Cause that might mean or include having a lot of people around, or very a lot of very highly meaningful relationships, and then having what we have to truly have in order to have, or keep, or maintain or sustain that, or those things also, etc...?

Or it might mean or include that for some people, etc, and it/that could alter one's definition or perception of what it truly means to be truly free, etc, cause it could also mean having all of that which one can have, or that one truly has to have to make one truly happy also, etc...
Then I might also have to mention how hard one should also have to "work" or "slave" for maybe some of these things also, and for how long/much of their lives for these things also, etc...?

What if, in order for you to be more free, (by your definition of it) it means you must squash and/or have to take away some of the freedoms of some others, etc, or maybe a very much greater and many more numerous others in order for only just you and/or just yours to have all of the freedoms that you truly wish to have and/or desire, when you are just one person or just a very few, etc...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

Oh, and, P.S, this is supposed to be a "discussion", and not an "argument", on what we all might think it means to be "free", and "truly free", and/or "truly happy", and/or how or what that would mean exactly, for yourself maybe first, and then maybe everyone equally or collectively next, and then making sure those two would not come into conflict maybe after that, etc...?

Discuss, etc...?

God Bless!

The reason why the land of the free is not also the land where there are no laws is because we can use our freedoms to hinder the freedoms of others, so true freedom is not the freedom to do whatever we want, but the freedom to do what we ought. A good legislature does not create laws with the goal of hindering our freedoms, but with the goal of enhancing them and no one know better than God how we ought to live, which is why God's law is a law of freedom (Psalms 119:45), while it is sin in transgression of God's law that puts us in bondage (John 8:31-36), so we must be like violins that trust God to tie down our strings in order to make music.

RickReads · Nov 26, 2020

Akita Suggagaki said:
Don't we all have that freedom and simply choose not to take the path?

No. The power to become a child of God is His gift. If you have that, it`s because He gave it to you.

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"

Let's talk about what it means to be "free"...?

Old Soul

May you be blessed!

Well-Known Member

Old Soul

Old Soul

Old Soul

Well-Known Member

Old Soul

my Lord and my God !

Old Soul

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads