No, I'm not (and not sure why you'd ask that). You responded to me in post #389....you can follow the posts from there.
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New Covenant - fulfilled?
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Okay, if you're not jgr - then it's none of your business anyway.
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You must read Romans 9 and start reading there through the end of Romans 11 for context.
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
You have the wrong Israel in mind in Romans 11:26. The Israel of which all are saved is the true spiritual Israel of God. That is the Israel that consists only of the children of God. The one that "the children of the promise" are part of rather than "the children by physical descent". So, who are the children of God that make up the true spiritual Israel of God?
Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Scripture does not teach corporate salvation. Ever. It is always about individuals. God is not a respecter of persons (does not show favoritism based on ethnicity or nationality) and never will be.
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Romans isn’t about modern geopolitical Israel, but the 12 tribes of Israel in Paul's day.
It's true that the entire chapter must be read in order to have the proper insight. But notice the distinction made here:
Romans 11:22
Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
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Being a gentile, I understand why you will find this idea of Israel being God’s favoured nation in time past, hard to accept
But understand, as Paul stated in Romans 11, we were saved thru the gospel because of their fall, but God had future blessings for them because of his mercies for us.
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That's the key - "in time past". It was through the Israelites that Christ was born (as well as the early Jewish Christian Church).
Where exactly are you getting that idea from? Still that one line in Romans 11:26?
Romans 11:26-27
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
He will remove godlessness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins ”( h )
He will remove godlessness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins ”( h )
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The Dispensationalists references to the "Gentile Church" fall apart on the Day of Pentecost when about 3,000 Israelites came to faith in Christ.
They also fall apart in Romans 11:1-5, where Paul still considers himself an "Israelite", even after his conversion, and he reveals two different types of Israelites during the time of Elijah. Most worshipped Baal, except for the faithful "remnant". Paul said their was also a "remnant" during his time.
It also falls apart in James 1:1-3, where James addresses his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his "brethren" in the "faith".
The Gentiles were grafted into the early Jewish Church several years after the Day of Pentecost.
To this day, the Church is made up of all races of people.
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God slew purebred Israelites by the thousands when they sinned.
Their DNA didn't save them.
Were they "favored"?
Do you believe that their DNA will save them in the future?
If so, when did God decide to disregard sin and save by DNA?
In which case, He'll be saving all of us, because we all possess Israelitish DNA.
Ergo, salvation by DNA, and sin irrelevant.
Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity
Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage
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This one?
Romans 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
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You provided a verse out of context and did nothing to back up your interpretation of it.
I don't do that. Scripture does. I showed you Romans 9:6-8 and how I interpret it and I showed that there is another Israel besides the nation of Israel of which all who belong to it are saved. Can you tell me how you interpret that passage if you think I interpreted it incorrectly?
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I have no problem with that whatsoever. Pay attention to what I actually say instead of what you think I'm going to say. There was absolutely nothing that I said which would indicate that I have any problem at all with Israel being God's favored nation in time past. That is the nation He chose through which He would bring salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. Yep, I have no problem with that whatsoever. Don't put words in my mouth.
Those future blessings were not delayed for some future time. They, along with all Gentiles, have had the opportunity to be saved through faith in Christ for almost 2,000 years now. God is not a respecter of persons. He wants all people, including all Jews, to be saved and that has always been the case and always will be.
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It seems to me there's a lot being read into that.
First question would be, "who is them?". Futurist beliefs seem to equate "them" with geopolitical modern Israel.....but I don't see that as the context.
Going back to the beginning of Romans 11, Paul wrote this:
Romans 11:1
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
......here, we have a similar phrase to define. Who are His people? Some say "national Israel".....but is that true? Are there no requirements of allegiance to God? Remember Jesus's conversation with the Pharisees?:I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
John 8:37-39
I know you are Abraham’s descendants, but you are trying to kill Me because My word has no place within you. I speak of what I have seen in the presence of the Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.” “Abraham is our father,” they replied.
No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example.
......that distinction is like what was made early on:I know you are Abraham’s descendants, but you are trying to kill Me because My word has no place within you. I speak of what I have seen in the presence of the Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.” “Abraham is our father,” they replied.
No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example.
Deuteronomy 32:5
"They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation.
"They have acted corruptly toward Him, They are not His children, because of their defect; But are a perverse and crooked generation.
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Israel is not Abraham's sole offspring, but Jacob's. Abraham had many nations from his seed. Technically the church is of Adam's seed, not just Abraham, and certainly not just Israel.
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