Peter1000
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You tell me then, if we believe that the Lord knew the fall was going to happen, we also know how he was going to pull it off, and that is why he allowed satan into the garden. Satan did play a roll in the fall, but it was a role that the Lord created for him. So no we are not grateful to satan, we are grateful that the Lord contolled the fall, even though he used satan to accomplish it.LOL! I couldn't make this stuff up!
11 And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had aseed, and never should have bknown good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.
"Adam did not commit sin in eating the fruit for God had decreed that he should eat and fall. . . . That he should die was the saying of the Lord, therefore the Lord appointed us to fall and also redeemed us. . . . (Joseph Smith).
Just why the Lord would say to Adam that he forbade him to partake of the fruit of that tree is not made clear in the Bible account, but in the original as it comes to us in the book of Moses it is made definitely clear. It is that the Lord said to Adam that if he wished to remain as he was in the garden, then he was not to eat the fruit, but if he desired to eat it and partake of death he was at liberty to do so. So really it was not in the true sense a transgression of a divine commandment. Adam made the wise decision, in fact the only decision that he could make.
It was the divine plan from the very beginning that man should be placed on the earth and be subject to mortal conditions and pass through a probationary state as explained in the Book of Mormon where he and his posterity would be subject to all mortal conditions. – Joseph Fielding Smith, “Was the Fall of Adam Necessary?” Improvement Era, Apr. 1962, p. 231
Adam did only what he had to do. He partook of that fruit for one good reason, and that was to open the door to bring you and me and everyone else into this world, for Adam and Eve could have remained in the Garden of Eden; they could have been there to this day, if Eve hadn’t done something.
One of these days, if I ever get to where I can speak to Mother Eve, I want to thank her for tempting Adam to partake of the fruit. He accepted the temptation, with the result that children came into this world. And when I kneel in prayer, I feel to thank Mother Eve, for if she hadn’t had that influence over Adam, and if Adam had done according to the commandment first given to him, they would still be in the Garden of Eden and we would not be here at all. We wouldn’t have come into this world. . . . – Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report, Oct 1967, pp. 121-122
You can put all the lipstick on this pig that you want---it boils down to we should be grateful to Satan for the fall for without him tempting Eve, none of us would be here and Adam and Eve would still be all alone in the garden!!! They had to sin in order to obey God!!! How convoluted can you get!!
We are also grateful that the Lord created a way for all mankind to get back into the presence of the Lord, by ordaining that Jesus be sacrificed for the sins of all mankind, and this ordination was done before the fall even took place. So the Lord knew it would happen, he even knew he would use satan to help it along, and he knew Jesus would save us. That is what we glorify, not satan, he is the liar and murderer from the beginning and has no glory. Get used to it.
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