AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

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And its not the same, the laws are now magnified- written in the our hearts and minds. This is the second covenant.
Yes, Jesus did magnify some of the laws. Some from the ten commandment and some from the mouth of God. So, when you write "laws you are really writing the laws made by God's finger and spoken by His mouth. Now may I ask you if the men in your SDA congregation cut their sideburns? Do you honor the feast days and new moons? Do you tear down your houses when mold appears?

We are all grafted into Israel Romans 11:11-24, Zechariah 2:11
so both the first covenant and covenant applies to everyone. Which is why Ecclesiastes 12:13 says:
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
(notice it does not say Jews, it says man=all)
Please show me from scripture that we are grafted into Israel. Ecclesiastes was referring to the Israelites not Gentiles.

God clearly tells us in the Bible how important His commandments are Here are several examples of scripture telling us the importance of keeping God's laws. John 14:15, 1 Kings 11:13, Psalms 78:7, Proverbs 10:8, 1 John 5:3, Mathew 7:21-22, Revelations 14:12, Revelations 22:14 THESE ARE JUST A FEW so anyone saying Gods laws are "done away" is going to have to explain themselves to our Creator because it really can't be anymore clearer than this.
Show me where in those scriptures where it says that it is referring to the ten commandments.

Jesus summarized the commandments and never said the commandments are no longer enforced.
They were enforced until the new covenant was ratified at Calvary. Jesus lived under the law as did the people He came to save from the ministry that brought death.

Jesus said John 14:

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Tell me what the commandments Jesus was referring? Hint Jn 15:10

16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

And even provides the Holy Spirit to help us see the truth and KEEP the commandments.

And Jesus goes on to say:

John 14
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

How many times does Jesus half to repeat Himself for us to listen? He gives us the Holy Spirit to help keep the laws, not break them.

You do not need to justify to me why you feel the laws of God are done away. Jesus knows our hearts and thoughts, He is the One we will all be answering to when He comes again as promised.
The great theme of the new covenant is love not law like the old one.
 
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I wonder why some feel that the new covenant is just the old covenant warmed over and placed in our hearts? If that were really true then we would be obliged to keep the laws just as the Israelites were instructed to keep them. Paul certainly didn't tell us that we are under the laws of the old covenant now did he. John didn't either. Why did Jeremiah's prophecy that the new covenant wouldn't be like the old one? Seems obvious to me after reading all that the epistle s state.

Funny thing is no one believes any such thing. It seems that some though do not know the difference between God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 1 John 3:4 and the Mosaic "shadow laws" of things to come *Hebrews 10:1-17 fulfilled in Christ and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here). According to God's Word (not mine) if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God condemned "under the law" of sin *Romans 3:19; James 2:10-11. God's Word does not teach lawlessness Bob. Something to pray about.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Sorry Bob, I believe God's Word disagrees with you, but let me help and explain why. Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 is a WARNING given to God's people in the present tense showing that those who did not enter into God's rest did not enter in because of their "unbelief (disobedience)" and unrepentant sin *Hebrews 3:13; 17; 19; Hebrews 4:1. So there is no misunderstanding, my application here is to God's ISRAEL in the new covenant which is defined in the scriptures as all those who believe and follow God's Word and who Paul is referring to in Hebrews 4:1-3. I am not talking about physical ISRAEL in the wilderness that did not believe and follow Gods' Word.

The scriptures you provided show those of physical ISRAEL not entering into God's rest because of their disobedience and unbelief in Gods' Word.

Hebrews 3:16 [16], FOR SOME, when they had heard, did provoke: HOWEVER NOT ALL that came out of Egypt by Moses. [17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness? [18], And to whom SWORE HE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT ENTER INTO HIS REST, BUT TO THEM THAT BELIEVED NOT? [19], SO WE SEE THAT THEY (those who believed not) COULD NOT ENTER IN BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF.

NOTE: the context and reference here is that those who do not believe and follow Gods' Word do not enter into God's rest. It does not say those who believe do not enter into God's rest.

Hebrews 4:6 [6], Seeing therefore it remains that SOME MUST ENTER THEREIN, and they to whom it was first preached ENTERED NOT IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF (also means disobedience).

NOTE: it says SOME must enter therein —The denial of entrance here is to unbelievers but is a virtual promise of entrance to those that believe and follow God's Word and this is the promise.

This links to Hebrews 4:2-3 which is the context that says [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], FOR WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST... (new covenant application).

The scriptures do not say anywhere (according to your interpretation) that everyone who believes and obeys Gods' Word does not enter into Gods' rest because in the new covenant this is the very definition of who God's true ISRAEL is. God's ISRAEL in the new covenant according to the new covenant scriptures are all those who believe and follow God's Word. God's true Israel is not physical Israel that did not enter into God's rest because of their unbelief and disobedience *Hebrews 3:13; 17; 19; Hebrews 4:1.

God's new covenant ISRAEL is defined in the scriptures as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word (the Gospel) *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29. Those who enter into God's rest are those according to the promise believe and follow God's Word which is what Paul is referring to in Hebrews 4:1-3 [1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], FOR WE WHICH BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST...

As posted earlier and shown already through the scriptures, HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is a WARNING Bob of not entering into God's Sabbath rest if we continue in unbelief and sin, or do not believe and follow Gods' Word (the Gospel). The WARNING of Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 is that if we do not believe and follow God's Word and do not forsake sin (breaking God's commandments) then we will not enter into God's Sabbath rest or His Kingdom.

Well that is not true Bob, but let me show why I believe this from the scriptures. Your claim here is that "GOD'S REST" is not the seventh day Sabbath and to try and support your claim that "GOD'S REST" is not the "seventh day Sabbath" you quote Hebrews 3:7-11. Here have a look again and I will add some more of the context...

Hebrews 3:7-19
[7], Why as the Holy Ghost said, To day if you will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
[12], Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14], For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
[15], While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16], For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17], But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
[18], And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19], So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

NOTE: NONE of the scriptures here state anywhere that "GOD'S REST" or "HIS REST" is not the "seventh day Sabbath"! Which scripture provided above Bob defines what GOD'S REST is? - None. So what have you provided to support your claim that God's rest is not the Sabbath in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4? - Nothing.

Let's look at the scriptures in Hebrews 4 that specifically defines what "GOD'S REST" is Bob so there is no confusion here....

GOD'S REST AS DEFINED BY GOD'S WORD (not mine)

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY (note God's rest) FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE
: CONTEXT is "GOD'S REST" from the "SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION" (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD enter into that rest which God's WORD defines as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is GOD'S REST! Let's continue...

6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST (v1-9 God's SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER INTO THAT REST (God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (HEBREWS 3).

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CONCLUSION
: HEBREWS 4 defines "GOD'S REST" as the "SEVENTH DAY SABBATH". Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 is talking about the Gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. This agrees with Hebrews 4:2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. HEBREWS 4:1-11 is in reference to GOD'S REST which as shown in the scriptures above defines "GOD'S REST" as the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH which is the CONTEXT shown in HEBREWS 4:1-5. HEBREWS 4 therefore with context added is saying that no one enter God's Sabbath rest if they do not BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD.
Your response here...
Sorry LGW, I am tired of mopping up your false claims that what I write is not true. What is true is that you take scripture and try to paraphrase it to make it seem you are telling its real meaning. I am sorry that you have to do such things to make your beliefs seem kosher.
Bob, all I hear in this post are your words arguing with God's Word as the post you are responding to is God's Word not mine that proves why your claims from your earlier post are not true. You are responding to Gods Word in this post that does not agree with you so I believe your argument is with God not me, so we will have to agree to disagree. For me I prefer what God says. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgement day.
 
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And those commandments which are His Laws, His word, through His Spirit are now written in the heart and mind.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Under the old covenant the commandments are fullfil by man's work that's how the Sinai covenant is dictate, " man will do what God said" Exodus 19..But with the covenant of the Promise is " God will do everything" hence why His Son came down..
So is about the covenant.. commandments given under old covenant (Sinai) is man's work... Hebrews state the old covenant was faulty and is Not God's fault....
 
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Under the old covenant the commandments are fullfil by man's work that's how the Sinai covenant is dictate, " man will do what God said" Exodus 19..But with the covenant of the Promise is " God will do everything" hence why His Son came down..
So is about the covenant.. commandments given under old covenant (Sinai) is man's work... Hebrews state the old covenant was faulty and is Not God's fault....
Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here) as a requirement for Christian living. According to the new covenant scriptures, if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Sin (breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments or not believing God's Word) will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's Kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-27. The new covenant does not abolish God's law it establishes them in the life of those who through faith *Romans 3:31 have been born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9. This is the new covenant and the fruit of those who through faith believe God's Word *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Hebrews 8:10-12. According to your interpretation of the scriptures no one from the old covenant is saved. Yet according to the scriptures those in both the old and new covenant were saved in exactly the same way and that is by faith *Hebrews 11. Of course the process for remission of sins or God's forgiveness was different between the covenants. In the old covenant God's people looked forward to the coming of the Messiah while we in the new covenant look back to the Messiah that has come and behold with John the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36.
 
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Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here) as a requirement for Christian living. According to the new covenant scriptures, if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Sin (breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments or not believing God's Word) will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's Kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-27. The new covenant does not abolish God's law it establishes them in the life of those who through faith *Romans 3:31 have been born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9. This is the new covenant and the fruit of those who through faith believe God's Word *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Hebrews 8:10-12. According to your interpretation of the scriptures no one from the old covenant is saved. Yet according to the scriptures those in both the old and new covenant were saved in exactly the same way and that is by faith *Hebrews 11. Of course the process for remission of sins or God's forgiveness was different between the covenants. In the old covenant God's people looked forward to the coming of the Messiah while we in the new covenant look back to the Messiah that has come and behold with John the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36.
1John talks about old command become a new command and there is a reason..if you find it then let me know.. Jesus also qoute an old command BUT He said is a New command even though He was speaking to His disciples which they already familiar with old covenant command in which Jesus was referring to...
 
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1John talks about old command become a new command and there is a reason..if you find it then let me know.. Jesus also qoute an old command BUT He said is a New command even though He was speaking to His disciples which they already familiar with old covenant command in which Jesus was referring to...
and what would that be according to you? :)
 
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I'm just giving you a scripture so you find the answer of what makes an old command to become a New command...read 1John, I know what I believe...
So your giving me a scripture and you do not know what it means?
 
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So your giving me a scripture and you do not know what it means?
Is the Spirit that teaches us, so if you find and understand the scripture I gave you then you will know why are old commands ( old covenant) become new commands (New covenant)...You have to find out the meaning for yourself...Ask God for His Spirit to reveal it to you...
 
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Is the Spirit that teaches us, so if you find and understand the scripture I gave you then you will know why are old commands ( old covenant) become new commands (New covenant)...You have to find out the meaning for yourself...Ask God for His Spirit to reveal it to you...
If the Spirit teaches you to break anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 it is not from God according to the God's Word. *1 John 2:3-4; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16. If you do not know the meaning I am happy to share Gods' Word with you? If you are interested just let me know. What do those scriptures mean to you?
 
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1Jn3:19-24 says:
I'm just giving you a scripture so you find the answer of what makes an old command to become a New command...read 1John, I know what I believe...
Amen Pasifika,
After reading 1Jn and finding that when he speaks of keeping God's commands he reveals to each of us willing to read his conclusion and accept his very plain explanation that he definitely was not referring to the ten commandments in his letter to us when he wrote:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness (breaking His commands). But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

That is how we know we belong to God who is the only real truth. I do not belong to the truth because I listen to this group or that group or any other people proclaiming that they are the ones that have the truth. Any time we see anyone paraphrasing scripture to meet their certain beliefs we know for sure that they do not meet the truth of 1Jn 3:19-24. Nowhere in the New Testament is there the words "ten commandments" and the words of John do not support anyone trying to change the meaning of His Word to us.

Those who proclaim that I am lawless because I proclaim that mankind is not under the ten commandments that were given to only one nation and were part of a covenant that ended at Calvary are not my instructors. God gave me the Holy Spirit as my guide, not the ten commandments nor any of you that differ with the above scripture.

If I were convicted by the Holy Spirit or any scripture telling me that the Sabbath command, given only to Israel, was meant to be kept by anyone else I would be obedient to that law. I am not lawless because I don't observe a day that is not a law for Christians.

Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

Jesus kept the old covenant laws and asks us to keep His commands to us. His command to us is to Love. He didn't have a big list like He was under, his command to us is to love one another as He loves us. How could we possibly go wrong following Jesus instructions? Those who believe we have to add a bunch of old covenant laws to Jesus commands are surely not preaching/teaching the Good News. Doing that reminds me of those trying to and did persuade the Galatians to keep the old covenant law.

 
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1Jn3:19-24 says:

Amen Pasifika,
After reading 1Jn and finding that when he speaks of keeping God's commands he reveals to each of us willing to read his conclusion and accept his very plain explanation that he definitely was not referring to the ten commandments in his letter to us when he wrote:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness (breaking His commands). But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

That is how we know we belong to God who is the only real truth. I do not belong to the truth because I listen to this group or that group or any other people proclaiming that they are the ones that have the truth. Any time we see anyone paraphrasing scripture to meet their certain beliefs we know for sure that they do not meet the truth of 1Jn 3:19-24. Nowhere in the New Testament is there the words "ten commandments" and the words of John do not support anyone trying to change the meaning of His Word to us.

Those who proclaim that I am lawless because I proclaim that mankind is not under the ten commandments that were given to only one nation and were part of a covenant that ended at Calvary are not my instructors. God gave me the Holy Spirit as my guide, not the ten commandments nor any of you that differ with the above scripture.

If I were convicted by the Holy Spirit or any scripture telling me that the Sabbath command, given only to Israel, was meant to be kept by anyone else I would be obedient to that law. I am not lawless because I don't observe a day that is not a law for Christians.

Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

Jesus kept the old covenant laws and asks us to keep His commands to us. His command to us is to Love. He didn't have a big list like He was under, his command to us is to love one another as He loves us. How could we possibly go wrong following Jesus instructions? Those who believe we have to add a bunch of old covenant laws to Jesus commands are surely not preaching/teaching the Good News. Doing that reminds me of those trying to and did persuade the Galatians to keep the old covenant law.
Thanks Bob, those who called us lawless because we don't follow the 10 commandments are lack knowledge, they are like little kids who always like to point their fingers instead of showing mercy...

The law (old) is only good if we observe it lawfully ( in which we cannot observe it lawfully) 1Tim 1 therefore, the law becomes "death" to us instead of "good" because we cannot observe it lawfully..so that what is "good" has become "death" to me..Romans 7:13

BUT, we thank God for Jesus Christ in which through His Spirit we are saved from the jaw of "death"....

Jesus showed what it meant to be like God, by being loving, merciful and Just to everyone which are the fundamentals aspects of the law...
God is love, and His law is about love this is implying by the commandments to love God and love others these two commandments go hand in hand ie if you love God then you also love others or if we don't love God it also shows by us Not loving others...
How do we love God? by keeping His commandments (by loving Him and others)
Those who claimed to follow the old covenant law (Sinai) are deceiving themselves as Paul puts it as "they loses connection to the head" (Christ) Colossians 2

Let us keep asking God for wisdom and understanding so we can be able to walk righteous in His sight..
 
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If the Spirit teaches you to break anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 it is not from God according to the God's Word. *1 John 2:3-4; Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16. If you do not know the meaning I am happy to share Gods' Word with you? If you are interested just let me know. What do those scriptures mean to you?
Hello LGW, so do you observe the law (10) lawfully or Not?
 
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Hello LGW, so do you observe the law (10) lawfully or Not?
Brother, happy Sabbath! I know for a fact that LGW does not keep the fourth commandment in Australia as revealed in the word of God. The first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning. I have a thread on the subject titled: "When do the biblical days begin?".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, happy Sabbath! I know for a fact that LGW does not keep the fourth commandment in Australia as revealed in the word of God. The first day is from the first light to light again in the morning and later days from morning to morning until the first Sabbath from morning to morning. I have a thread on the subject titled: "When do the biblical days begin?".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)

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God's Word disagrees with your teachings dear friend, which are not biblical. It is you who does not keep the biblical Sabbath as already shown through the scriptures..HERE, HERE and HERE. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4
 
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Jn 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Jesus kept the old covenant laws and asks us to keep His commands to us. His command to us is to Love. He didn't have a big list like He was under, his command to us is to love one another as He loves us. How could we possibly go wrong following Jesus instructions? Those who believe we have to add a bunch of old covenant laws to Jesus commands are surely not preaching/teaching the Good News. Doing that reminds me of those trying to and did persuade the Galatians to keep the old covenant law.

Thanks Bob, those who called us lawless because we don't follow the 10 commandments are lack knowledge, they are like little kids who always like to point their fingers instead of showing mercy...

The law (old) is only good if we observe it lawfully ( in which we cannot observe it lawfully) 1Tim 1 therefore, the law becomes "death" to us instead of "good" because we cannot observe it lawfully..so that what is "good" has become "death" to me..Romans 7:13

BUT, we thank God for Jesus Christ in which through His Spirit we are saved from the jaw of "death"....

Jesus showed what it meant to be like God, by being loving, merciful and Just to everyone which are the fundamentals aspects of the law...
God is love, and His law is about love this is implying by the commandments to love God and love others these two commandments go hand in hand ie if you love God then you also love others or if we don't love God it also shows by us Not loving others...
How do we love God? by keeping His commandments (by loving Him and others)
Those who claimed to follow the old covenant law (Sinai) are deceiving themselves as Paul puts it as "they loses connection to the head" (Christ) Colossians 2

Let us keep asking God for wisdom and understanding so we can be able to walk righteous in His sight..

Not really Bob or pasifika. No one loves God by knowingly breaking any one of his Commandments according to the scriptures...

John 14:15 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 [10], If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Matthew 22:36-40 [36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [40], On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Romans 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

James 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:3-4[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Sorry Bob and pasifika it seems God's Word disagrees with your teachings here.

Something to pray about.

 
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God's Word disagrees with your teachings dear friend, which are not biblical. It is you who does not keep the biblical Sabbath as already shown through the scriptures..HERE, HERE and HERE. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4
Brother, your defense is to say the words are vague and we can't be sure of anything God says with them. When mistakes like these are with us for so long, they get into our human definitions. Fortunately, God's word defines its own terms and we don't need human definitions. Your other defense is to bring in more than the first day to obscure what is revealed with too much to deal with. The fact is, God created many things long before He made a home for us on Earth beginning our story with creation week. These are the facts revealed in the following passage compared to a Sabbath in Israel to clarify the use of delimiters:

A Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening

evening->night half<-morning->day half<-evening
The first day in Genesis from first-light to morning

first light->day half<-evening->night half<-morning

Just as the Sabbath is "evening" to "evening" in Israel the first day below is first-light to light again in the morning and subsequent days from "morning" to "morning". In the context of the first day, light came first. You understand that the word evening does not mean the same as the word darkness. You can have darkness without light first but you can't have an "evening" without light first. You are exchanging the meaning of words that mean different things. God did not say: and there was darkness, and there was light--the first day. God did not say: and there was night, and there was day--the first day. What He did say is that the night-half of darkness from evening to morning ends the first day that began with the day-half of light. The fact is that the "evening" takes place in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning, as supposed was because of the remembered Eden-Sabbath in Israel supposed was to fall on a weekday when it falls in Israel between two days of the week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, your defense is to say the words are vague and we can't be sure of anything God says with them. When mistakes like these are with us for so long, they get into our human definitions. Fortunately, God's word defines its own terms and we don't need human definitions. Your other defense is to bring in more than the first day to obscure what is revealed with too much to deal with. The fact is, God created many things long before He made a home for us on Earth beginning our story with creation week. These are the facts revealed in the following passage compared to a Sabbath in Israel to clarify the use of delimiters:

A Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening

evening->night half<-morning->day half<-evening
The first day in Genesis from first-light to morning

first light->day half<-evening->night half<-morning​

Just as the Sabbath is "evening" to "evening" in Israel the first day below is first-light to light again in the morning and subsequent days from "morning" to "morning". In the context of the first day, light came first. You understand that the word evening does not mean the same as the word darkness. You can have darkness without light first but you can't have an "evening" without light first. You are exchanging the meaning of words that mean different things. God did not say: and there was darkness, and there was light--the first day. God did not say: and there was night, and there was day--the first day. What He did say is that the night-half of darkness from evening to morning ends the first day that began with the day-half of light. The fact is that the "evening" takes place in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning, as supposed was because of the remembered Eden-Sabbath in Israel supposed was to fall on a weekday when it falls in Israel between two days of the week.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Not really dear friend. This has already been answered through the scriptures in the linked post provided HERE, HERE and HERE. Your ignoring the context provided in GENESIS 1:1-2 showing that the darkness comes before the light.

Context matters and it shows why you are in error here where "darkness" was before the light...

GENESIS 1:1-4 [1], In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2], And the earth was without form, and void; AND DARKNESS WAS ON THE FACE OF THE DEEP. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters. [3], And GOD SAID, LET THERE BE LIGHT: AND THERE WAS LIGHT. [4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and GOD DIVIDED THE LIGHT FROM THE DARKNESS.[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. AND THE EVENING (ערב; ‛ereb means close of daylight or night or darkness) AND THE MORNING (בּקר; bôqer means daylight or after night or tomorrow) WERE THE FIRST DAY.

The night or the darkness came first as (evening) and the daylight or after night or tomorrow (morning) came second were the first day according to Gods Word in GENESIS 1:1-5.

Your ignoring the scripture context and the Hebrew word meanings dear friend which does not say what your claiming it says in the English. You have your own thread for this please post in it and do not seek to change the OP topic with your teaching please. You of course are free to believe as you wish. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4

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BACK TO SOME MORE FUN FACTS ABOUT THE SABBATH AND SUNDAY
  1. After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)
  2. This stamped that day as God's rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.
  3. Therefore the seventh day must always be God's Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God's rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God's Sabbath day.
  4. The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)
  5. He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)
  6. He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)
  7. It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.
  8. Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.
  9. It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.
  10. It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)
  11. Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)
  12. It is' not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.
  13. The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God's holy rest day.
  14. Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:l-3; 8:10,12; 29:27,28.etc.)
  15. It was a part of God's law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)
  16. Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?
  17. The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12,13.)
  18. Then He wrote the commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)
  19. He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)
  20. It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)
  21. God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)
  22. God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12, 13.)
  23. It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)
  24. God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24, 25.)
  25. He sent them into the Babylonian captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)
  26. He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)
  27. God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6, 7.)
  28. This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)
  29. God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)
  30. The Lord requires us to call it "honorable". (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.
  31. After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down "many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12,13.)
  32. All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.
  33. When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father's example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?
  34. The seventh day is the Lord's Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)
  35. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)
  36. He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man's good. (Mark 2:23-28.)
  37. Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 12:1-13.)
  38. He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)
  39. He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)
  40. The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)
  41. Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, the Holy Spirit' expressly calls it "the Sabbath day,"(Acts 13:14.)
  42. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the "Sabbath day" in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?
  43. Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the "Sabbath day." (Acts 13:44.)
  44. The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)
  45. In the great Christian council, A.D. 49, in the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the "sabbath day." (Acts 15:21)
  46. It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)
  47. Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2, 3.)
  48. It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2,3.)
  49. The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)
  50. There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.
  51. In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?
  52. But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all." Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?
  53. The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”
  54. Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath's being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.
  55. God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use - the seventh day for common labor?
  56. No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modem Christians do differently from Bible Christians?
  57. There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.
  58. As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (Isaiah 66:22, 23.)
  59. The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17
  60. Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.
40 Bible Facts Concerning the First Day of the Week
  1. The very first thing recorded In the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week. (Genesis l: l-5.) The Creator Himself did this. If God made the earth on Sunday, can it be wicked for us to work on Sunday?
  2. God commands men to work upon the first day of the week. (Exodus 20.8-11.) Is it wrong to obey God?
  3. None of the patriarchs ever kept it.
  4. None of the holy prophets ever kept it.
  5. By the express command of-God, His holy people used the first day of the week as a common working day for 4,000 years, at least.
  6. God Himself calls it a "working" day. (Ezekiel 46:1.)
  7. God did not rest upon it.
  8. He never blessed it.
  9. Christ did not rest upon it.
  10. Jesus was a carpenter (Mark 6:3), and worked at His trade until He was thirty years old. He kept the Sabbath and worked six days in the week, as all admit. Hence He did many a hard day’s work on Sunday.
  11. The apostles worked upon it during the same time.
  12. The apostles never rested upon it.
  13. Christ never blessed it.
  14. It has never been blessed by any divine authority.
  15. It has never been sanctified.
  16. No law was ever given to enforce the keeping of it, hence it is no transgression to work upon it. “Where no law is, there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15 (See also 1 John 3:4.)
  17. The New Testament nowhere forbids work to be done on it.
  18. No penalty is provided for its violation.
  19. No blessing is promised for its observance.
  20. No regulation is given as to how it ought to be observed. Would this be so if the Lord wished us to keep it?
  21. It is never called the Christian Sabbath.
  22. It is never called the Sabbath day at all.
  23. It is never called the Lord’s day.
  24. It is never called even a rest day.
  25. No sacred title whatever is applied to it. Then why should we call it holy?
  26. It is simply called “first day of the week.”
  27. Jesus never-mentioned it in any way, never took its name upon His lips, so far as the record shows.
  28. The word Sunday never occurs in the Bible at all.
  29. Neither God, Christ, nor inspired men ever said one word in favor of Sunday as a holy day.
  30. The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2.)
  31. Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week.
  32. Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1Corinthians 16:2.)
  33. In all the New Testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12.)
  34. There is not intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.
  35. It was not their custom to meet on that day.
  36. There was no requirement to break bread on that day.
  37. We have an account of only one instance in which it was done. (Acts 20:7.)
  38. That was done in the night-after midnight. (Verses 7-11.) Jesus celebrated it on Thursday evening (Luke 22), and the disciples sometimes did it every day (Acts 2:42-46.)
  39. The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which contradicts the law of God. (Matthew 15:1-9.) Baptism commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Romans 6:3-5.)
  40. Finally, the New Testament is totally silent with regard to any change of the Sabbath day or any sacredness for the first day.

Here are one hundred plain Bible facts upon this question, showing conclusively that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord in both the Old and New Testament.*

*Reprinted from a tract published by the Review and Herald Publishing Association about the year 1885.
 
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