Amazed at the level of illogical thinking by Trump followers.

Albion said:

The fact that you personally haven't seen any of the evidence doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Did you expect that someone was going to deliver it to your door?

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It is enough if they deliver it to court, but they seem incapable of doing that.

Why do you think that is ?

Bible Highlighter said:

Look. Buddy. Trump fired his own cyber chief because he said there was no mass voter fraud going on. Is Trump a cyber expert? Does he know more than him involving cyber issues? If he did, then he would have corrected him and shown his cyber chief the evidence before his public statement. It's obvious Trump fired him because the president is denial of his loss.

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Exactly. THIS is the sitting President right now whom some fellow Christians keep acting like is a great and Godly leader "in spite of some rough edges": a guy whose ego you feed when you work for him, even if doing so means going against your own conscience and/or outright lying, or you suffer the consequences for "disloyalty".

JackRT said:

And a lot of judges throwing Trump's cases out of court are his own appointees. And While Biden was busy "stealing" the Presidency why didn't he bother "stealing" the Senate and the House as well?

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Um ... shut up with that logic?

Jonathan Walkerin said:

Why do you think that is ?

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Fraud... corruption... to be determined...

This is the same group that put us thru 4 years of lies, intimidation, and ploys concerning the removal of Trump.

LostMarbels said:

Fraud... corruption... to be determined...

This is the same group that put us thru 4 years of lies, intimidation, and ploys concerning the removal of Trump.

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We see now they should have tried harder.

GoldenBoy89 said:

We see now they should have tried harder.

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Still wouldn't have worked any better than this current ploy to remove him...

Amazing that some Christians didn't vote Biblical values of pro-life, pro-Israel, and against socialism.

tturt said:

Amazing as it is for Christians who didn't vote Biblical values of pro-life, pro-Israel, and against socialism.

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Okay, the first two I grit, but what does the Bible have to say against socialism?

When Tucker Carlson of Fox News tried to get Sidney Powell evidence of voter fraud to back her claims. They invited her to the show, giving her a full hour to talk. They would have given her a week as her claims were so very alarming and hard to believe. Yet she sent no evidence at all, nothing and even told then to stop contacting her.

“So why are we telling you this?” Carlson followed up, perhaps anticipating angry pro-Trump supporters who might be angry at his apparent betrayal of one of the president’s defenders. “We’re telling you this because it’s true. In the end, that’s all that matters, the truth. It’s our only hope, it’s our best defense. It’s how we are different from them. We care what’s true and we know you care too. That’s why we told you.”

Tucker Carlson Calls Out Sidney Powell for Absurd Fraud Claims

lasthero said:

Okay, the first two I grit, but what does the Bible have to say against socialism?

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• “Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause” (Isaiah 1:17).
• "The Lord hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers" (Proverbs 6:16-19).
• “Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you” (Deuteronomy 16:20).
• “Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute” (Proverbs 31:8).
• “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor” (Leviticus 19:15).
• “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths” (Proverbs 3:5-6).
• “He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4).
• “Work willingly at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people” (Colossians 3:23).
• “The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of His unfailing love” (Psalm 33:5).
• “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).
• “A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge” (Proverbs 29:7).
• “Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses” (Proverbs 28:27).
• "He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing" (Deuteronomy 10:18).
• “Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors Him” (Proverbs 14:31).
• "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;" (Isaiah 61:1).
• “Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy” (Proverbs 31:9).

Joyous Song said:

• “Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause” (Isaiah 1:17).
• "The Lord hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers" (Proverbs 6:16-19).
• “Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you” (Deuteronomy 16:20).
• “Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute” (Proverbs 31:8).
• “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor” (Leviticus 19:15).
• “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths” (Proverbs 3:5-6).
• “He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4).
• “Work willingly at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people” (Colossians 3:23).
• “The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of His unfailing love” (Psalm 33:5).
• “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).
• “A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge” (Proverbs 29:7).
• “Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses” (Proverbs 28:27).
• "He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing" (Deuteronomy 10:18).
• “Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors Him” (Proverbs 14:31).
• "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;" (Isaiah 61:1).
• “Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy” (Proverbs 31:9).

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Um... I'm not seeing anything in there that opposes socialism, and a number of lines actually seem to work very well with socialism.

I'm no fan of socialism myself, so I'd look favorably on any anti-socialism lines in the Bible. Am I missing something?

LostMarbels said:

What is getting thrown out is not from Trump's legal team.

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Yes, it is, even taking into consideration that his lawyers have been quitting rather than present a fraudulent case in court.
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. v. Benson - SCOTUSblog :Status: Suit dismissed by state court of claims

Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar
In Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar et al, there are a lot of et als:
ADAMS COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
ALLEGHENY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
ARMSTRONG COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BEAVER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BEDFORD COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BERKS COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BLAIR COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
KATHY BOOCKVAR, Defendant
BRADFORD COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BUCKS COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
BUTLER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CAMBRIA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CAMERON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CARBON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CENTRE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CHESTER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CLARION COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CLEARFIELD COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CLINTON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
COLUMBIA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
COMMON CAUSE PENNSYLVANIA, Defendant
CRAWFORD COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
CUMBERLAND COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
DAUPHIN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
DELAWARE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
PATRICIA DEMARCO, Defendant
ELK COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
ERIE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
FAYETTE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
FOREST COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
FRANKLIN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
FULTON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
DANIELLE GRAHAM ROBINSON, Defendant
GREENE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
HUNTINGDON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
INDIANA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
JUNIATA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LACKAWANNA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LANCASTER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LAWRENCE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF PENNSYLVANIA, Defendant
LEBANON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LEHIGH COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LUZERNE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
LYCOMING COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MCKEAN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MERCER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MIFFLIN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MONROE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MONTGOMERY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
MONTOUR COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
NAACP PENNSYLVANIA STATE CONFERENCE, Defendant
NORTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
PERRY COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
PHILADELPHIA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
PIKE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
POTTER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
SCHUYLKILL COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
SNYDER COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
SOMERSET COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
SULLIVAN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
SUSQUEHANNA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
TIOGA COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
UNION COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
VENANGO COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
WASHINGTON COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
WAYNE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
WESTMORELAND COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
KATHLEEN WISE, Defendant
WYOMING COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
YORK COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS, Defendant
JORDAN HARRIS, Intervenor
PATTY KIM, Intervenor
NINA AHMAD, Intervenor Defendant
ANTON ANDREW, Intervenor Defendant
DANILLO BURGOS, Intervenor Defendant
MORGAN CEPHAS, Intervenor Defendant
CITIZENS FOR PENNSYLVANIAS FUTURE, Intervenor Defendant
MICHAEL CROSSEY, Intervenor Defendant
AUSTIN DAVIS, Intervenor Defendant
JANET DIAZ, Intervenor Defendant
DWIGHT EVANS, Intervenor Defendant
ISABELLA FITZGERALD, Intervenor Defendant
EDWARD GAINEY, Intervenor Defendant
MANUEL GUZMAN JR, Intervenor Defendant
ART HAYWOOD, Intervenor Defendant
VINCENT HUGHES, Intervenor Defendant
MARY ISAACSON, Intervenor Defendant
PATTY KIM, Intervenor Defendant
STEPHEN KINSEY, Intervenor Defendant
RICK KRAJEWSKI, Intervenor Defendant
PENNSYLVANIA STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, Intervenor Defendant
PETER SCHWEYER, Intervenor Defendant
SIERRA CLUB, Intervenor Defendant
SHARIF STREET, Intervenor Defendant
THE PENNSYLVANIA ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS, Intervenor Defendant
DWAYNE THOMAS, Intervenor Defendant
BRENDA WEINRICH, Intervenor Defendant
IRVIN WEINRICH, Intervenor Defendant
ANTHONY WILLIAMS, Intervenor Defendant
MALCOLM KENYATTA, Movant
DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT, INC., Plaintiff

There are hundreds of private and state entity lawsuits out there. This is a bit misconstrued and misinformed. Rudy and his team even addresses this.

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Poor Rudy...

Yttrium said:

Um... I'm not seeing anything in there that opposes socialism, and a number of lines actually seem to work very well with socialism.

I'm no fan of socialism myself, so I'd look favorably on any anti-socialism lines in the Bible. Am I missing something?

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JS: I must have read your last post wrong, and I'm not sure socialism is the right word or at least that word no longer means what it did before Marx transformed it to something else. Its better named the Gospel of Love.

Joyous Song said:

• “Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause” (Isaiah 1:17).
• "The Lord hates six things; in fact, seven are detestable to him: arrogant eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that plots wicked schemes, feet eager to run to evil, a lying witness who gives false testimony, and one who stirs up trouble among brothers" (Proverbs 6:16-19).
• “Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you” (Deuteronomy 16:20).
• “Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute” (Proverbs 31:8).
• “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor” (Leviticus 19:15).
• “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths” (Proverbs 3:5-6).
• “He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4).
• “Work willingly at whatever you do, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people” (Colossians 3:23).
• “The Lord loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of His unfailing love” (Psalm 33:5).
• “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).
• “A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge” (Proverbs 29:7).
• “Those who give to the poor will lack nothing, but those who close their eyes to them receive many curses” (Proverbs 28:27).
• "He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing" (Deuteronomy 10:18).
• “Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors Him” (Proverbs 14:31).
• "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;" (Isaiah 61:1).
• “Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy” (Proverbs 31:9).

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You are going to have to explain why any of those verses explicitly forbid public ownership of the means of production, and then you are going to have to show that the Democrats are proposing any such thing.

LostMarbels said:

Still wouldn't have worked any better than this current ploy to remove him...

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You mean winning an election? What a brilliant strategy!

Albion said:

There also has never been a presidential election that appeared so clearly to have been stolen, either.

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When something appears so clearly, I would expect the evidence of that something to also appear, clearly.

tturt said:

Amazing as it is for Christians who didn't vote Biblical values of pro-life, pro-Israel, and against socialism.

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Being "pro-life" and voting to criminalize a Christian sin for non-Christian citizens of a secular state are two different things. Likewise, I see no reason for a Christian to give unquestioning support to a secular Middle-Eastern state.

Speedwell said:

You are going to have to explain why any of those verses explicitly forbid public ownership of the means of production, and then you are going to have to show that the Democrats are proposing any such thing.

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Acts 4:

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.

of course this is not government action but a free will gift of love trigger by a strong faith and love. Today we call it dogma, sadly. Still to say democrats are pushing this is only partially true. They are simply trying to live out what they see as their calling just as republican do or at least we hope they all are.

Yet to expect either side to really reflect Christian values is likely expecting too much from them. A little honestly, though, would not hurt, and a stimulus before we all die in rages and of old age would also be nice.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Just shows how much he’s corrupted the entire GOP establishment. I actually think it is a much bigger crime against the country that these yahoos who know better are actually indulging him in his twisted fantasy simply because they can’t turn and face their voter base and set them straight. Party over country is their motto now.

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Also,
They are looking at the two Senate seat election in GA on Jan. 5th.

LostMarbels said:

Still wouldn't have worked any better than this current ploy to remove him...

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The only ploy going on at the moment is Trump's attempt to steal the Presidency back from the people who voted him out.