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Seems to be a lot of that going around:
List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
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List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
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And have any of those cities "reigned over the kings of the earth."? - Revelation 17:18
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Sure, Constantinople (or Istanbul), Moscow and Washington DC. To name three cities built on seven hills that would fit that description.
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Oh! I see Madrid is on that list as well!
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Thats interesting, so those and Rome also. Do you think that these verses refer could refer to different cities or empires at different times in history?
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What I think is: these things (prophecies and such) tend to distract Christians from the important things the Lord has for us to do. Helping and loving our neighbors. And so far? As far as I can tell, no one in Church history has ever been right about any of it.
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What I think is: these things (prophecies and such) tend to distract Christians from the important things the Lord has for us to do. Helping and loving our neighbors. And so far? As far as I can tell, no one in Church history has ever been right about any of it.
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I agree in that some people may spend nearly their whole Bible study time on the book of Revelation (or parts of it) and the End Times. I disagree in that I think the book of Revelation was written and included in the Bible for a purpose. The problem is that any single interpretive scheme tends to manipulate the parts of the text. Bits that don't fit the scheme stick out, and then are either ignored or manipulated. I don't want to do that, but I would like to understand it better. I don't spend all my time on it, I am hardly ever on the eschatology forum. I read this thread because it was featured, and I wondered about one of the comments.
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Given the nature of the Book of Revelation, the seven hills/mountains are likely not literal hills, but symbolic - mountains are symbolic of power.
Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Pulpit Commentary:
"We have repeatedly seen that the language of the Apocalypse and its numbers are symbolical. The seals are not literal seals, the Lamb is not a literal Lamb, the beast is not a literal beast, etc. So here, the mountains are not literal mountains. A mountain is a symbol of power (see on Revelation 8:8); seven is the number significant of universality (see on Revelation 1:4; 5:1, etc.). The plain meaning of the passage, therefore, is that the woman relies upon a visibly universal power. This is precisely the idea contained in ver. 3, which describes the faithless part of the Church (the harlot) trusting to the power of the world (the beast). Of course, the most prominent form of this world power in St. John's time was heathen Rome, hence some writers believe that "the seven-hilled city," Rome, is referred to here - either pagan or papal Rome. And, indeed, this may be a partial fulfilment of the vision; but it is not the whole signification. To understand seven mountains literally in this place renders it necessary to interpret forty-two weeks, etc., literally in another."
"We have repeatedly seen that the language of the Apocalypse and its numbers are symbolical. The seals are not literal seals, the Lamb is not a literal Lamb, the beast is not a literal beast, etc. So here, the mountains are not literal mountains. A mountain is a symbol of power (see on Revelation 8:8); seven is the number significant of universality (see on Revelation 1:4; 5:1, etc.). The plain meaning of the passage, therefore, is that the woman relies upon a visibly universal power. This is precisely the idea contained in ver. 3, which describes the faithless part of the Church (the harlot) trusting to the power of the world (the beast). Of course, the most prominent form of this world power in St. John's time was heathen Rome, hence some writers believe that "the seven-hilled city," Rome, is referred to here - either pagan or papal Rome. And, indeed, this may be a partial fulfilment of the vision; but it is not the whole signification. To understand seven mountains literally in this place renders it necessary to interpret forty-two weeks, etc., literally in another."
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So was St. Paul, Mn. Obviously a reference to the apparently world empire of the time. It was the message people would understand, since the Empire was the structure of the world they knew.
In a sense, the West has been seeking to restore that structure ever since the Empire fell. And that's the context in which we need to understand Revelation.
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No I don't believe he is : he may be a form of the Antichrist but not the Antichrist - he may be an example of what the Antichrist will accomplish but he isn't the Antichrist - he has over 70 million people backing him, regardless of what he does or says - many Christians even think he's God sent regardless that he does not live a life pleasing to God, according to scripture. Ask why the Lord will some depart from me you that work iniquity, I never knew you - even though they said to him Lord, Lord I did this and I did that in your name. I consider him a Prelude to the rise of the Antichrist. From my point of view, all but two prophecies are active, the days of Noah and the rise of the Antichrist. I believe the computer chip will be used to initiate the mark of the beast and up until the invention of the computer there was no way that was possible - which is detrimental to the end of days. In the older KJV, scriptures says "in the forehead, in the hand," some of the newer versions have changed it to on. Since the Beast and the Antichrist will rule the whole world and cause all to receive his mark and worship him, that implies a One World Government - which there has been talks of for at least 20 years. The Pope a few months ago mentioned having a One World Currency and the World Health Organization mentioned a One World Government. So the real Antichrist, in my opinion is not that far off.
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If Republicans were so against abortion then why is it not outlawed by now? They've had control of the presidency, House, and Senate at once over the years at various times already! In fact the first 2 years Trump had the house and senate majority control! If Trump and his fellow republicans were so pro-life then why wasn't that their first priority since it is so important to that party????
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There are too many turncoats in the GOP who like to sound all conservative when they are running for office, but behave like Democrats once they're elected. "Republicans" like Mitt Romney are basically Democrats. That's why.
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OR...the reason they don't do anything is because what politician would want to get rid of something that absolutely guarantees a segment of the voting population will support any and all things they put in front of them with out question as long as they say the magic words "All TRUE pro-life people will vote/support/protest/fight this candidate/issue!!" and no matter what the candidate/issue is that segment stops thinking and just gets in lockstep. No, there's almost no group more dedicated to keeping abortion around than the leaders of the Republican Party. They realize, once it's no longer around the Republican party ceases to be a political Party in America and it will join the Whigs and the Know-Nothings as an historical foot note in American politics.
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Yes, outlawing abortion would probably produce a huge blowback without much benefit in terms of votes. The republican party would also lose a great campaign issue.
The party is a lot more conflicted about it than they let on.
The party is a lot more conflicted about it than they let on.
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Actually Mitt Romney is one of the only ones who has any integrity these days in the republican party. He actually speaks out against the unabashed immoral behavior by Trump. Mitt Romney would be one vote alone if I go with you saying he is seriously the reason for abortion for still being around. I was talking about DECADES of times republicans were in full control and still haven't thought it important enough to call to outlaw abortion. They've had full control of presidency, house, and senate multiple times over the years, including "pro-life" Trump's first 2 years, and could have passed a sweeping bill against abortion but they never called such a bill! I am afraid to tell you that Donald Trump is not pro life like you say either. In 2019, Trump tweeted that he is pro choice in situations of incest, rape, and health of mother. Is that still considered pro-life to you? That is an honest question. The republicans have used abortion as a huge tool in their arsenal for YEARS. Sorry but many are hoodwinked by the so called holy Republican party. Go research how the republican party took on the abortion issue strongly because they realized it would get them votes in around 1976. Here is a good little explanation of what went on when the party knew it needed to change up its strategy: The GOP’s Abortion Strategy: Why Pro-Choice Republicans Became Pro-Life in the 1970s | Journal of Policy History | Cambridge Core
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BINGO! It's an unabashed lie and tool the Republican party has used for years to get everyday average classed Americans to vote against their self interest while they echo how much they hate abortion so much and the rich cronies line their pockets!
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Not sure which Bible that you read from but Trump has very little which Christians from the first century would recognize as being Christ-like.
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