Is God omnipotent and controls everything?

Swag365 · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
The Son took our punishment as if He has sinned . . . So Christ being punished for our sin brings Glory to the Father.

No, this is heresy. And it defies basic common sense. If a judge sent an innocent man to jail for a rape or a murder committed by another, and let the rapist or murderer go scott-free, there is not a man on Earth who would call that judge just, or praise him for his work. Everyone would call that judge a monster, and that is what your theology makes of God.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Swag365 said:
No, this is heresy. And it defies basic common sense. If a judge sent an innocent man to jail for a rape or a murder committed by another, and let the rapist or murderer go scott-free, there is not a man on Earth who would call that judge just, or praise him for his work. Everyone would call that judge a monster, and that is what your theology makes of God.

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
— 2 Corinthians 5:21

Hmm · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
The Son took our punishment as if He has sinned.

That is simply wrong. Jesus never sinned as your Biblical quote shows:

Hammster said:
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
— 2 Corinthians 5:21

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Hmmm! said:
That is simply wrong. Jesus never sinned as your Biblical quote shows:

I didn’t say that He sinned.

Hmm · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
I didn’t say that He sinned.

What did you mean by this then?

Hammster said:
The Son took our punishment as if He has sinned.

zoidar · Nov 19, 2020

lsume said:
As you’ve said, I do not agree. The problem is that most professing born again Christians are not yet born again. I know in my own life I thought I was born again around 1974. It was wasn’t until around 1990 that it actually happened. There is one truth and all who are in Christ must be taught directly from Him.

Wouldn't that mean all born again believers belonged to the same church/denomination, at least having the same theology?

I know born again Calvinsts as well as Lutherans and Pentacostals.

The idea that "I know" the correct theology since the Holy Spirit is teaching me easily gets to "I'm right, your wrong". There is no way to prove that person wrong since he/she claims being directly taught by God. There is a danger in this I believe.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Hmmm! said:
What did you mean by this then?

That Christ took the punishment as if He had sinned.

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
— 2 Corinthians 5:21

Hmm · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
That Christ took the punishment as if He had sinned.

No He didn't! He became sin, He was not a representative sinner. He was not a sinner in any way, shape or form.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Hmmm! said:
No He didn't! He became sin, He was not a representative sinner. He was not a sinner in any way, shape or form.

And I never said He was a sinner.

Hmm · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
And I never said He was a sinner.

Good

lsume · Nov 19, 2020

zoidar said:
Wouldn't that mean all born again believers belonged to the same church/denomination, at least having the same theology?

I know born again Calvinsts as well as Lutherans and Pentacostals.

The idea that "I know" the correct theology since the Holy Spirit is teaching me easily gets to "I'm right, your wrong". There is no way to prove that person wrong since he/she claims being directly taught by God. There is a danger in this I believe.

There is only one Church. The hidden Church in Christ. If and when Christ comes to you as a thief in the night, that is when you will begin to understand. This great revelation must come directly from Christ.

Swag365 · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
— 2 Corinthians 5:21

Amen!

What you wrote is still heresy.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Swag365 said:
Amen!

What you wrote is still heresy.

What I wrote agrees with Paul. I’m in good company.

Swag365 · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
What I wrote agrees with Paul. I’m in good company.

John Calvin created your theology. Not Paul.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Swag365 said:
John Calvin created your theology. Not Paul.

Lol.

Anyway, if what I post agrees with scripture, then it doesn’t matter if also agrees with Calvin.

lsume · Nov 19, 2020

zoidar said:
Wouldn't that mean all born again believers belonged to the same church/denomination, at least having the same theology?

I know born again Calvinsts as well as Lutherans and Pentacostals.

The idea that "I know" the correct theology since the Holy Spirit is teaching me easily gets to "I'm right, your wrong". There is no way to prove that person wrong since he/she claims being directly taught by God. There is a danger in this I believe.

Seeking has the promise of finding in God’s Word.

Swag365 · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
if what I post agrees with scripture

It does not agree with Scripture. You wrote that Jesus took our punishment. Our punishment is eternal damnation in hell. Our Lord did not suffer eternal damnation in hell. So even if we assume for the sake of argument that what you wrote is true, it self-contradicts.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Swag365 said:
It does not agree with Scripture. You wrote that Jesus took our punishment. Our punishment is eternal damnation in hell. Our Lord did not suffer eternal damnation in hell. So even if we assume for the sake of argument that what you wrote is true, it self-contradicts.

Why aren’t believers punished?

Swag365 · Nov 19, 2020

Hammster said:
Why aren’t believers punished?

If you have a point you can make it.

Hammster · Nov 19, 2020

Swag365 said:
If you have a point you can make it.

I asked a question based on your statement.

Is God omnipotent and controls everything?

Is God omnipotent?

Yes, God has power over everything and controls everything.

Yes, God has power over everything but doesn't control everything.

No, God doesn't have power over everything.

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