Election fraud

DavidPT said:

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

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No, it is.

All I was doing was submitting this theory that is currently floating around. So, you think this won't end up in the Supreme Court eventually,

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Some of it is in the Supreme Court already.

and that there is zero possibility for this to play out like what has been proposed in this theory? You gave your opinion, and you have a right to your opinion, but it would be helpful if you would perhaps explain why none of this is even possible.

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Well, I have work soon, so I don't want to get into the reeds. But, in short because nothing presented so far in court has passed much muster, even at local levels. I'm no lawyer, I'll admit, but the idea that the Supreme Court is going to throw away hundreds of millions of votes over the penny ante stuff that's been presented so far is laughable.

Trump's team is trying to prove that the biggest fraud operation in US, perhaps the world, happened a week ago. If that's the goal, they're off to a poor start - hearsay on hearsay, silly accounts, and post-it notes just aren't going to cut it.

Lord Give Me A Sign said:

The way the media is so quick to shut down all allegations is troubling to me. Cheating happens in school, it happens in sports. What makes politicians any different? They are humans. But the bible tells us all about human history, and we have seen humans fail since the death and rising of Christ

There has been examples of fraud in past elections. Even if its something small that won't affect the outcome...i have a hard time believing what the left and what people on here are telling me. I'm not saying that the right is innocent too. Selfishness and pride are part of the human heart and when you live your life independently from God you are more likely to put integrity aside

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The lame, weak "evidence" put forth is being shot down quickly by the judges that have heard the cases so far. So, don't act like it is "the Left" just trash-talking. It's happening in the courts.

Arc F1 said:

This guy did a really good job of putting together what's going on this election. It's a half hour well spent watching.

Myself, personally, I feel like the republicans let us down. They should have fell in line and supported the will of the people and threw their support behind Trump these last four years. We had plenty of time time to address these issues and straighten out the censorship problems. The president should have left Twitter and taken millions of people with him. His pride has added to the problems.

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The will of the people isn't
Trump . Republicans has lost respect to millions plus people . Because they ignored Trump being a horrible person and president. And defended / supported him, even though every bad thing against Trump was true.

Lord Give Me A Sign said:

The way the media is so quick to shut down all allegations is troubling to me. Cheating happens in school, it happens in sports. What makes politicians any different? They are humans. But the bible tells us all about human history, and we have seen humans fail since the death and rising of Christ

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Of course there’s rampant cheating within our elections. But it’s not happening to any meaningful degree in the form of actual fake votes. It comes far more commonly in the form of gerrymandering, voter suppression, and disinformation campaigns. These are far more effective and much less illegal.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

The will of the people isn't
Trump . Republicans has lost respect to millions plus people. Because they ignored Trump being a horrible person and president. And defended/supported him, even though every bad thing against Trump was true.

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If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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Well, I guess having a president who can speak in complete sentences would be a nice change, but I don't know that will make things unrecognizable. Maybe that plus not being in yet another GOP recession?

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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It’s really remarkable the stark contrast between the ways different people see Biden. Leftists are constantly quoting Biden’s “nothing will fundamentally change” statement as proof he won’t do anything to help us, and meanwhile the far right has painted him as the puppet of Noam Chomsky, eager to dismantle global capitalism and usher in the proletarian revolution. Political discourse in the media is absolutely ridiculous.

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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-- and guess who will be squealing the loudest? It'll be the people who voted for Joe "because Trump is egotistical," yada yada yada.

That'll look like "the good ol' days" to them in no time.

gaara4158 said:

It’s really remarkable the stark contrast between the ways different people see Biden. Leftists are constantly quoting Biden’s “nothing will fundamentally change” statement as proof he won’t do anything to help us, and meanwhile the far right has painted him as the puppet of Noam Chomsky, eager to dismantle global capitalism and usher in the proletarian revolution. Political discourse in the media is absolutely ridiculous.

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But it isn't just Joe as Joe. It is almost impossible to deny that he is the agent of some of the most extreme people in American political life. Just look at his choice for his Vice-President.

And make no mistake about that. Either this reveals his true colors OR ELSE he had little choice in the matter, which is even a more chilling thought!

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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It'll look no different to the Obama administration (doubtless with the same level of Republican obstructionism added in). The idea that Joe Biden of all people is a radical is beyond laughable.

Albion said:

But it isn't just Joe as Joe. It is almost impossible to deny that he is the agent of some of the most extreme people in American political life.

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Let me guess, "cosmopolitan" "globalist" "bankers".

Albion said:

But it isn't just Joe as Joe. It is almost impossible to deny that he is the agent of some of the most extreme people in American political life. Just look at his choice for his Vice-President.

And make no mistake about that. Either this reveals his true colors OR ELSE he had little choice in the matter, which is even a more chilling thought!

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Absolute nonsense. Do you ever stop and ask yourself why Kamala Harris is disliked on the left given that you seem to think she's some radical leftist icon?

Albion said:

But it isn't just Joe as Joe. It is almost impossible to deny that he is the agent of some of the most extreme people in American political life. Just look at his choice for his Vice-President.

And make no mistake about that. Either this reveals his true colors OR ELSE he had little choice in the matter, which is even a more chilling thought!

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See, this is exactly what I’m taking about. You seem to think you’ve pointed out something about Biden that makes him an agent of the far left by naming his VP. But Harris isn’t well-liked on the left either! She has an atrocious record re: criminal justice, having kept prisons packed with inmates, even blocking evidence that would have exonerated some of them. No, Biden and Harris clearly aren’t allies of the left. They’re agents of the corporate-funded Democratic bourgeoise establishment, and they’re only going to make symbolic, performative gestures in support of leftist ideals while actively upholding the status quo.

gaara4158 said:

See, this is exactly what I’m taking about. You seem to think you’ve pointed out something about Biden that makes him an agent of the far left by naming his VP. But Harris isn’t well-liked on the left either!

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That's really not correct to say. Yes, there are some who are even more extreme than she and AOC, and Bernie, etc. etc. but that doesn't make Harris, who has the most "liberal" voting record of any of the 100 members of the US Senate, into some sort of Moderate or JFK type Democrat!

And, even at that, the complaint against her is overwhelmingly about one stance she took earlier in her career. That is being held against her by a certain clique of BLM types, but in no way does this change her overall profile.

No, Biden and Harris clearly aren’t allies of the left. They’re agents of the corporate-funded Democratic bourgeoise establishment, and they’re only going to make symbolic, performative gestures in support of leftist ideals while actively upholding the status quo.

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As if predictions and prognostications of a complete turnaround could replace her actual record, including all the radical promises she's made just during the campaign of 2020.

Albion said:

That's really not correct to say. Yes, there are some who are even more extreme than she and AOC, and Bernie, etc. etc. but that doesn't make Harris, who has the most "liberal" voting record of any of the 100 members of the US Senate, into some sort of Moderate or JFK type Democrat!

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You’re probably not aware of this, but “liberal” and “leftist” mean two very different things. Harris is nowhere near as far left as Bernie and AOC, despite certain arbitrary metrics placing her to their left. In truth, she mouthed support for Medicare for all and the green new deal back when it looked like Bernie would be the nominee, but she backed away immediately when it became clear that he wouldn’t. Now she backs Biden’s extremely modest expansions to the ACA and proudly proclaims that she will not ban the harmful practice of fracking as a part of her climate policy.
Again, Biden and Harris are not the leftists you think they are.

Albion said:

That's really not correct to say. Yes, there are some who are even more extreme than she and AOC, and Bernie, etc. etc. but that doesn't make Harris, who has the most "liberal" voting record of any of the 100 members of the US Senate, into some sort of Moderate or JFK type Democrat!

And, even at that, the complaint against her is overwhelmingly about one stance she took earlier in her career. That is being held against her by a certain clique of BLM types, but in no way does this change her overall profile.


As if predictions and prognostications of a complete turnaround could replace her actual record, including all the radical promises she's made just during the campaign of 2020.

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The most liberal voting record according to whom? Upon what metric are they basing this? I ask because every election for the past 20 years I have heard "The most liberal!!!" from the right about each successive candidate. So whom is claiming they are the most liberal and how do they measure it?

Belk said:

The most liberal voting record according to whom? Upon what metric are they basing this?

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The only one that I've seen people mention is by the number of bipartisan cosponsors on their bills. It has nothing to do with what the bills are actually about or what the candidates' positions are. But even by that measure, VP-elect Harris is less 'liberal' than more than a hundred Representatives.

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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I’m counting on it.

Danthemailman said:

If you thought Trump was bad, just wait and see what Biden/Harris have in store for America. If they get their way, you won't even recognize America in 4 years.

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A centrist Democratic administration with a Republican senates and a narrow house majority, now if that’s not a recipe for sweeping change if I don’t know what is.