Calvinism and Abortion

Isilwen said:

Yep, and I allow them to make that choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. I will not force my view on them.

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Voting for those who murder babies is direct rebellion against God.

StillGods said:

we are all judged according to what we do, that includes whether we accept or reject Christ Jesus.
Rejecting Jesus = eternal damnation sadly.

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Those outside of Christ are perishing.
If Jesus does not seek and save them they are lost

BNR32FAN said:

Many were made sinners that’s the key phrase here. Again nothing to support that we are guilty of Adam’s sin. We have inherited his sinful nature.

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In Roman's 3:23......all sinned at one point in time.[aorist tense]
That was the fall.

Dave L said:

You are out of sync with the historic creeds. Calvin and Luther simply agreed with the Council of Ephesus 0f 431. You don't agree with it. They condemned Premillrnnialism as heresy. You're off on that. Who should I believe? The Church or you?

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What difference which one you believe, one is a person questioning you on something, one side is telling you what you must believe.

Why is it to men that creeds matter and they sometimes get held over a persons head like they were greater than we were cause oh they were so much holier ? Because they had more understanding than we are able to have today? Sorry just found your question endearing in that, either choice you make is believing man.

We most certainly will believe what we want to believe. That is what it falls down to of course the more we search for the truth, we can most certainly find that truth in the Lord Yeshua Christ, who came, died, and was risen again by God.

Bible Highlighter said:

They sinned in Adam because they are a part of Adam genetically. Hebrews says Levi paid tithes in Abraham to Melchizedek when Levi was not yet born.

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Im sorry I don’t understand the relevance here can you please explain in more detail?

ICONO'CLAST said:

In Roman's 3:23......all sinned at one point in time.[aorist tense]
That was the fall.

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Can an unborn child receive communion?

“So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:53-54‬ ‭NASB

Can an unborn child repent? Can an unborn child believe? Can an unborn child acknowledge Christ? Can an unborn child abide in Christ? Are unborn children condemned to hell for all eternity for failing to meet these expectations? Like I said I think Romans 9:11 holds some weight here in this topic because it is directly related to it and not people in the world in general.

ICONO'CLAST said:

Voting for those who murder babies is direct rebellion against God.

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Why is voting for a person who has done something wrong, such a rebellion to God?

Why are some sins deemed worse than other when in God's eyes we are all on the same level, IE: the ground level, where he is from above?

Interesting answer. Though I haven't voted in a long time, just because someone makes a vote, doesn't conclude a person being less than or looked as less favorable to God.

God has no favorites, and if that is the case, is it true we can build a false sense of self superiority thinking we are better than others based on making random statements like this?

Just curious! God bless my last post.

StillGods said:

yes He does

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Wow! That’s a cruel God who punishes those He loves. So much for the vessels of wrath in Romans 9.

BNR32FAN said:

Im sorry I don’t understand the relevance here can you please explain in more detail?

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“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22).

Meaning, if we abide in Adam, we die, but if we abide in Christ, we will be made alive.

Bible Highlighter said:

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Corinthians 15:22).

Meaning, if we abide in Adam, we die, but if we abide in Christ, we will be made alive.

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Yeah because we are sinners. We’re not anything like unborn babies. We’ve lied, cheated, stole, fornicated, etc, etc. Unborn babies aren’t capable of any of those things. Still no one has came up with one single sin that an unborn baby could possibly commit.

ICONO'CLAST said:

Acts17:30 -31does not agree with you.
No one seeks God so your choice idea is false.
Men are rebels against God....the only choice they make is luke 19:14

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I see you're in league with Dave L. This is according to your theology, not mine. We have a choice. I am sorry that is such a hard concept for both of you to understand.

ICONO'CLAST said:

Voting for those who murder babies is direct rebellion against God.

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Yet, it is God who puts those in power in power. Hmm... Biden has won the election and nothing is being proven in court otherwise.

Seems, I voted along with the one God wanted in power. So, who is the one in rebellion?

Oh and, those who are pro-choice are not pro-murder. We are literally pro-choice. We hope they make the right decision and not abort, but we will not force our views on others. We allow them a choice. Just as God gives us a choice to follow him or not. God doesn't force himself on us.

ICONO'CLAST said:

Those outside of Christ are perishing.
If Jesus does not seek and save them they are lost

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Then all would be saved if that were the case, but we all have the choice to repent and accept what Jesus has done or reject it, so not all are saved sadly due to stubborn hearts just as Jesus lamented over Israel - He had done everything for them but they still rejected him, like people often still do today.
many people outside of Christ have chosen that path of rejecting Christ, they could choose Jesus if they wanted to and be saved, but sadly they face the consequence of that choice to reject salvation ie. they perish.

convicted1 said:

Wow! That’s a cruel God who punishes those He loves. So much for the vessels of wrath in Romans 9.

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they have been given the way out, God provided that because He loves them, but they rejected Him.
God still loves them but He will not force anyone to follow Him. He says come follow me, but then it is up to us whether we do or not.
The cost is high, give up our lives, not everyone is prepared to do that.

StillGods said:

they have been given the way out but they rejected Him.
God still loves them but He will not force anyone to follow Him. He says come follow me, but then it is up to us whether we do or not.
The cost is high, give up our lives, not everyone is prepared to do that.

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That is not biblical. You really need to reassess your theological position. The vessels of mercy were taken from the same lump the vessels of mercy were in. This is God’s electing work coming to fruition.

Dave L said:

How can pure sin not remain pure sin? All attempts at repentance would also be a sin.

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God loves a humble and contrite heart, repentance is not sin.

convicted1 said:

That is not biblical. You really need to reassess your theological position. The vessels of mercy were taken from the same lump the vessels of mercy were in. This is God’s electing work coming to fruition.

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its Biblical, just not to Calvinists.

StillGods said:

its Biblical, just not to Calvinists.

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No it’s not. You’re saying God loves those who “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.”[Revelation 14:9-10] Those outside of Christ are outside of God’s love. And on the day of judgment, His wrath is fully meted out upon the vessels of wrath.

convicted1 said:

No it’s not. You’re saying God loves those who “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.”[Revelation 14:9-10] Those outside of Christ are outside of God’s love. And on the day of judgment, His wrath is fully meted out upon the vessels of wrath.

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God loves all His creation. God loves sinners all of us always.
A parent still loves their child, and that child can still be a recipient of that parents wrath if they've disobeyed their parent. similar thing.

StillGods said:

God loves all His creation.
A parent still loves their child, and that child can still be a recipient of that parents wrath if they've disobeyed their parent. similar thing.

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But you chasten them, not punish them by tossing them into a lake of fire! God chastens whom? Those He loves. The lost on the day of judgment get His wrath, not chastisement. Huge difference. Please reconsider this unbiblical stance of yours.