Calvinism and Abortion

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Well, actually, all our sins have been forgiven, past, present, and future. But that doesn’t negate the necessity of repentance in the believer’s life. 1 John 1 is a very sobering chapter.

No, present unconfessed or future sin is not forgiven for a believer. If such was the case, then 1 John 1:9 would be a lie. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. 1 John 1:9 does not say you are already forgiven of sin, but confess anyways.
 
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So your saying that unborn infants are being punished for sins they haven’t committed yet or for Adam’s sin which is contrary to Ezekiel 18:19-20
They are sin personified. Adam proved we are a corrupt species.
 
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If you are biased against Calvinist, why should I spend time with you?

Don't do it to help me, but do it to help the reader who is seeking the truth. Well, that is if you believe you are for defending the truth. Many times I continue to offer an explanation on certain topics when I know that the person I am talking to is not open to such a truth because I know that another person who comes across this website and is seeking for such a truth will find it.

Many Calvinists I have discussed with use the mystery tactic and they evade discussing the issue. Would it not be good to break such a false stigma against Calvinism?
 
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Jesus died for all mankind , thankfully. I’m out love people as Calvinistic whatever you desire to believe go for it. I don’t subscribe to those beliefs due to lack of freedom a lot of the time and how dominant some can be on the internet.

the internet can make things seem like they are on the brim of destruction. We get one day at a time try to enjoy the most of it. Gnight
John 10:11, John 10:15, Ephesians 5:25 all disagree with you. Due to a lack of freedom? Ah, that’s quite telling. Man doesn’t want God to control him, they want their autonomy, which comes from two Greek words, autos which means “self”, and nomos which means “law”. If basically means to self govern. Ppl want to be their own authority, and not God. Seems like I read that somewhere...ah! Luke 19:14.
 
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Good question,
Without sin in the world,there would be no death.
Sin has tragically changed the world, and death by sin.
God was not surprised by the sin of Adam.
Before the world was created God purposed to save a multitude of fallen sinners in union with His Son.
Jn 6:37-44,Hebrews2:11-16.
We all have an appointed time of death
HEB9:27.even infants,so those who wrote the 1689 confession of faith wisely wrote that;
All elect infants dying in infancy would be saved by the working of the Spirit,which is unseen
That answers the question totally as it leaves it 100% up to God and His Holy wisdom, and omniscience.
In other words, if God has elected all infants who die that is His will.
If God has elected147 million infants who die, He alone knows why.
If he did not elect any, He would have a reason.
Many want to speculate and say God would not, or could not do this or that.
I do not speculate, but leave it to God as the confession of faith does. Gen 18:25

So elect infants would be those who were given by the Father to the Son.

I think this was good reasoning. I personally don't believe God makes a difference between infants and I still need to see scripture that says dead infants are either elect or not.

I'm also leaving it for God to decide what to do with stillborns and aborted babies. The question is huge! I'm leaning towards He is saving all of them.
 
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John 10:11, John 10:15, Ephesians 5:25 all disagree with you. Due to a lack of freedom? Ah, that’s quite telling. Man doesn’t want God to control him, they want their autonomy, which comes from two Greek words, autos which means “self”, and nomos which means “law”. If basically means to self govern. Ppl want to be their own authority, and not God. Seems like I read that somewhere...ah! Luke 19:14.

Nah God is the authority.

Just not us. Not you, not me, yet He instead friend. Don’t know what you are trying to teach me with those verse.

Be blessed.

I’m. A fighter when it comes to someone using the Bible to bend my will to and knee to break to them and their ways

rather than to Lord Jesus Christ and standing on solid foundation.

of course pray for those in government places, and those in authority, even respect your supervisory at the employment agencies.

If you can live at peace with everyone,
Cheers sir @convicted1
 
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Who does Paul write to a lot in his letters, it seems to elected people in regions that where addressed as saints, and elected. Example is the twelve tribes of Israel, elect/saints of Rome.

Why is AMERICA not in the Bible? Just seems to be nations, and it would mean the surrounding Israel at the time.

I believe the word “elect” can refer to Jewish believers, and at other times I believe it can be in reference to those in who God chooses based on His foreknowledge for those believers in general in the New Covenant. I see the word “elect” in the below passage in reference to New Covenant believers because verses 32 and 34 includes the word “us.”

31 “What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” (Romans 8:31-33).

“Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” (Romans 8:30).

Predestinate would be another word for “elect.”
This is in reference to all New Covenant believers.

God elects according to His foreknowledge.

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,...” (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Notice that the strangers in Galatia are called “elect” and they are “elect” according to the foreknowledge of God the Father. Meaning, God sees through the corridors of time, and He knows those who will respond to the good news. The question is: Will they continue until the end? Will they overcome? Will they work out their salvation with fear and trembling?

Judas was elected by Jesus to be a disciple, but He fell away. Judas started off following Jesus, but He later stopped following Him. Israel was an elected nation by God, but they fell away into chasing after other idols and sin.
 
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Are you saying that abortion only ever happens because God actively wills it as a condemnation of infantile sinfulness?

I'm not a Calvinist, but I'm curious to hear responses to my question from both the OP and any Calvinist who'd care to weigh in.
From a calvinist perspective(if they are honest) would have to be yes, right?
 
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Babies are not born innocent. You’re teaching Pelagianism, which is heresy. If babies are innocent, they can not die, as the wages of sin is death.
So all babies born and unborn automatically suffer the second death. I am affraid you may not understand the character of God ,the Father, just doctrines of men.
This is my last post. Blessings.
 
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From a calvinist perspective(if they are honest) would have to be yes, right?


According to John Calvin there is a long line of babies burning in hell. At least this was something I have caught wind of him teaching by word to my ear.

I can not validate truth to the claim but yes would be the answer.
 
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So all babies born and unborn automatically suffer the second death. I am affraid you may not understand the character of God ,the Father, just doctrines of men.
This is my last post. Blessings.
No, I understand the character of God just fine. I just posted a passage where God commanded children and infants be killed and you brushed it to the side.
 
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Babies who are aborted are not going to hell, and yet neither are babies 100% innocent, either because the stain of the sin of Adam is upon their body. For babies die. The wages of sin is death. That is why babies die. It is because of the sin of Adam. But they are not going to hell because Jesus reversed the curse, and because Jesus said children are of the kingdom. God's promise of a Savior and His fulfillment of that Savior coming prevents aborted babies from going to hell. God is good, and He is loving; But neither are babies without any guilt of any kind. For if such was not the case, then there would be a human could grow up and not sin.
 
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I believe the word “elect” can refer to Jewish believers, and at other times I believe it can be in reference to those in who God chooses based on His foreknowledge for those believers in general in the New Covenant. I see the word “elect” in the below passage in reference to New Covenant believers because verses 32 and 34 includes the word “us.”

31 “What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” (Romans 8:31-33).

“Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” (Romans 8:30).

Predestinate would be another word for “elect.”
This is in reference to all New Covenant believers.

God elects according to His foreknowledge.

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,...” (1 Peter 1:1-2).

Notice that the strangers in Galatia are called “elect” and they are “elect” according to the foreknowledge of God the Father. Meaning, God sees through the corridors of time, and He knows those who will respond to the good news. The question is: Will they continue until the end? Will they overcome? Will they work out their salvation with fear and trembling?

Judas was elected by Jesus to be a disciple, but He fell away. Judas started off following Jesus, but He later stopped following Him. Israel was an elected nation by God, but they fell away into chasing after other idols and sin.

I don’t see your post as much, this one is helpful to others.
 
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Unavoidable Consequences Of Inherited Sin

This is an extensive list on inherited sin about John Calvin

Okay. The first error in their list is that they fail to realize that sin is passed down by the male seed. This is why Jesus was born of a virgin by the seed of the woman. It's why Jesus is said to be holy, and separate from sinners (Hebrews 7:26). For we know that Eve sinned first, and then Adam sinned second; Yet, Romans 5:12 says that sin entered the world through Adam. This means that Adam is the Federal Head of mankind.

Side Note:

I am not a Calvinist, but I do believe in Original Sin. For without understanding Original Sin, one cannot undertand the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. The door swings both ways. Most are quick to take what is good coming to them, but many do not want to fess up to anything bad about themselves.
 
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Jesus stood in the place of those He died for. He fully paid their sin debt. You can’t compare buying tickets to Christ paying for His sheep’s sin.

You have to back up your argument with scripture.
 
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I don’t see your post as much, this one is helpful to others.

While I may take this as a complment (without thinking in other instances), let all glory be unto the Lord for any good that I do or share.
 
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