Why Joe Biden won

jayem · Nov 17, 2020

Suburban, black, and college-educated women women.

“VoteCast showed that Trump narrowly beat Biden among white women, largely on the strength of support in rural areas and small towns. But Biden dominated with women in the suburbs, winning 59% to Trump’s 40% of a group that makes up around a quarter of the electorate nationwide. Biden won overwhelmingly among Black women, 93% to Trump’s 6%, according to VoteCast.

Trump won handily among white women without college degrees — 60% to 39% — while Biden won white women with college degrees by roughly the same margin.”

Women crucial to Biden's win, even as gender gap held steady

I gotta admit that Ann Coulter was right. When she said that if women weren’t given the right to vote, a Democrat would never be elected President.

ThatRobGuy · Nov 17, 2020

If I were the democratic party, I'd be more concerned with why they lost seats in the house, and didn't flip a single state legislature even though people voted for Biden over Trump.

That seems to indicate that while many people don't like Trump, there's still people who aren't sold on what many democrats are selling either.

Many house democrats agree that there are some less than savory aspects currently happening among their ranks.

Spanberger is right.

Winning the presidency against Trump is only one small piece of the puzzle. If House/Senate democrats aren't appealing to people and are losing ground, a Democrat in the oval office is only going to be able to do so much.

As Bill Maher so eloquently put it on his show recently (and I'll swap out the words to not violate the forum rules). "If Cracker Jacks were made of Popcorn and Dog waste, and some people still wanted to throw out the popcorn even though they didn't like dog waste...if I were popcorn, I'd want to know why"

Biden squeaked out a narrow victory that should've been a landslide.

While it's not surprising that Trump loyalists voted for him despite his many flaws and temperment. If I were the democrats, I'd want to know why people who voted for Biden for president, on the very same ballot, still opted to pick very conservative republicans for State legislatures, and House reps.

Spanberger gets it, Jim Clyburn gets it...hopefully other party members get it soon too. Otherwise, after 2022, you're going to have 2 years of Biden trying to work with a Republican house and Republican senate and not getting anything meaningful done.

"Leftist" and "Liberal" aren't interchangeable terms. I'd happily vote for a liberal, I voted for 2 in this last election (one of which being Biden). However, if either have them had been swapped for AOC or that ilk, I'd have either voted 3rd party, or stayed home.

Goonie · Nov 17, 2020

ThatRobGuy said:
If I were the democratic party, I'd be more concerned with why they lost seats in the house, and didn't flip a single state legislature even though people voted for Biden over Trump.

That seems to indicate that while many people don't like Trump, there's still people who aren't sold on what many democrats are selling either.

Many house democrats agree that there are some less than savory aspects currently happening among their ranks.

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Spanberger is right.

Winning the presidency against Trump is only one small piece of the puzzle. If House/Senate democrats aren't appealing to people and are losing ground, a Democrat in the oval office is only going to be able to do so much.

As Bill Maher so eloquently put it on his show recently (and I'll swap out the words to not violate the forum rules). "If Cracker Jacks were made of Popcorn and Dog waste, and some people still wanted to throw out the popcorn even though they didn't like dog waste...if I were popcorn, I'd want to know why"

Biden squeaked out a narrow victory that should've been a landslide.

While it's not surprising that Trump loyalists voted for him despite his many flaws and temperment. If I were the democrats, I'd want to know why people who voted for Biden for president, on the very same ballot, still opted to pick very conservative republicans for State legislatures, and House reps.

Spanberger gets it, Jim Clyburn gets it...hopefully other party members get it soon too. Otherwise, after 2022, you're going to have 2 years of Biden trying to work with a Republican house and Republican senate and not getting anything meaningful done.

"Leftist" and "Liberal" aren't interchangeable terms. I'd happily vote for a liberal, I voted for 2 in this last election (one of which being Biden). However, if either have them had been swapped for AOC or that ilk, I'd have either voted 3rd party, or stayed home.

With Michigan republicans refusing to certify the vote, im still concerned the republicans are aiming to turn the republican legislatures in the battleground states to ignore the vote and appoint their own electors. The modern day equivalent of the southern states voting for succession.

ThatRobGuy · Nov 17, 2020

Goonie said:
With Michigan republicans refusing to certify the vote, im still concerned the republicans are aiming to turn the republican legislatures in the battleground states to ignore the vote and appoint their own electors. The modern day equivalent of the southern states voting for succession.

It could potentially happen. That's why I think that while there are regional differences in attitudes on certain issues (and that's to be expected... Charlie Baker isn't going to exactly resemble a republican in Mississippi, and Amy Klobachar isn't going to exactly resemble a super "woke left" rep in a very liberal district in Cali), there does need to be a somewhat unified party message on some of the bigger stuff.

As the aforementioned congressmen made reference to..."woke" Democratic reps advocating for socialism and "defund the police" has impacts to other democrats running for office 6 states away.

SeventyOne · Nov 17, 2020

jayem said:
Suburban, black, and college-educated women women.

“VoteCast showed that Trump narrowly beat Biden among white women, largely on the strength of support in rural areas and small towns. But Biden dominated with women in the suburbs, winning 59% to Trump’s 40% of a group that makes up around a quarter of the electorate nationwide. Biden won overwhelmingly among Black women, 93% to Trump’s 6%, according to VoteCast.

Trump won handily among white women without college degrees — 60% to 39% — while Biden won white women with college degrees by roughly the same margin.”

Women crucial to Biden's win, even as gender gap held steady

I gotta admit that Ann Coulter was right. When she said that if women weren’t given the right to vote, a Democrat would never be elected President.

Kind of makes one wonder what the legit vote count actually was.

Speedwell · Nov 17, 2020

ThatRobGuy said:
It could potentially happen. That's why I think that while there are regional differences in attitudes on certain issues (and that's to be expected... Charlie Baker isn't going to exactly resemble a republican in Mississippi, and Amy Klobachar isn't going to exactly resemble a super "woke left" rep in a very liberal district in Cali), there does need to be a somewhat unified party message on some of the bigger stuff.

As the aforementioned congressmen made reference to..."woke" Democratic reps advocating for socialism and "defund the police" has impacts to other democrats running for office 6 states away.

The Democrats seem unable to maintain any kind of control over their narrative. Look how quickly "defund the police" was twisted into "do away with law enforcement altogether." The same thing happened with the Green New Deal, which people soon believed that the Congressional resolution was actual legislation requiring the immediate slaughter of all cattle, the grounding of all airlines and the confiscation and crushing of all automobiles.

A_Thinker · Nov 17, 2020

jayem said:
I gotta admit that Ann Coulter was right. When she said that if women weren’t given the right to vote, a Democrat would never be elected President.

How unfortunate that Americans value women ...

Monksailor · Nov 17, 2020

Joe is not who won. It is his sidekick. The first sentence of the first post substantiates this. Most on the democratic side are counting on Joe to kick the bucket and if he doesn't soon enough....well, maybe they will help things along. THEN they can get the big, bad steam roller out.

bekkilyn · Nov 17, 2020

I know my state has been heavily gerrymandered in favor of the GOP, so Democrats have to work extra hard to win seats even in areas that would ordinarily seem to favor them.

With that said, they would do well to pay a bit more attention to local and state elections and not just focus on national.

A_Thinker · Nov 17, 2020

ThatRobGuy said:
Biden squeaked out a narrow victory that should've been a landslide.

Biden won by the same electoral vote that Trump won in 2016, ... and by 10 million more popular votes.

The Electoral College disadvantages Democrats. Biden had to win 5 million more votes before he was on a level playing field ...

jayem · Nov 17, 2020

Goonie said:
With Michigan republicans refusing to certify the vote, im still concerned the republicans are aiming to turn the republican legislatures in the battleground states to ignore the vote and appoint their own electors. The modern day equivalent of the southern states voting for succession.

Not to get off topic. But if this is what you're addressing, the refusal to certify Wayne County results has been reversed.

In abrupt reversal, Michigan’s largest county certifies election results

98cwitr · Nov 17, 2020

No, Biden has not officially won. We are waiting on the states to certify. It is unfortunate this needs to be said, but until December 14th, we are in limbo. This boils down to a Myers-Briggs test...not gender.

jayem · Nov 17, 2020

ThatRobGuy said:
If I were the democratic party, I'd be more concerned with why they lost seats in the house, and didn't flip a single state legislature even though people voted for Biden over Trump.

That seems to indicate that while many people don't like Trump, there's still people who aren't sold on what many democrats are selling either.

Many house democrats agree that there are some less than savory aspects currently happening among their ranks.

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Spanberger is right.

Winning the presidency against Trump is only one small piece of the puzzle. If House/Senate democrats aren't appealing to people and are losing ground, a Democrat in the oval office is only going to be able to do so much.

As Bill Maher so eloquently put it on his show recently (and I'll swap out the words to not violate the forum rules). "If Cracker Jacks were made of Popcorn and Dog waste, and some people still wanted to throw out the popcorn even though they didn't like dog waste...if I were popcorn, I'd want to know why"

Biden squeaked out a narrow victory that should've been a landslide.

While it's not surprising that Trump loyalists voted for him despite his many flaws and temperment. If I were the democrats, I'd want to know why people who voted for Biden for president, on the very same ballot, still opted to pick very conservative republicans for State legislatures, and House reps.

Spanberger gets it, Jim Clyburn gets it...hopefully other party members get it soon too. Otherwise, after 2022, you're going to have 2 years of Biden trying to work with a Republican house and Republican senate and not getting anything meaningful done.

"Leftist" and "Liberal" aren't interchangeable terms. I'd happily vote for a liberal, I voted for 2 in this last election (one of which being Biden). However, if either have them had been swapped for AOC or that ilk, I'd have either voted 3rd party, or stayed home.

This election is a sad commentary on how divided a nation we are. And not just Democrat/Republican. On many more levels: younger/older; men/women; white/black; urban/suburban/rural; affluent/struggling; white collar/blue collar; college/non-college; religious/non-religious--it goes on and on.

I can't recall who said it, but can't we just get along?

ximmix · Nov 18, 2020

jayem said:
I can't recall who said it, but can't we just get along?

FireDragon76 · Nov 18, 2020

Biden won because white, less-educated men living in swing states moved their support towards Biden, instead of Trump as in 2016. Democrats actually lost ground with African-Americans and Latinos, whereas Democrats made gains among working-class whites.

If anything, this election shows that identity politics doesn't work.

Nithavela · Nov 18, 2020

Speedwell said:
The Democrats seem unable to maintain any kind of control over their narrative. Look how quickly "defund the police" was twisted into "do away with law enforcement altogether." The same thing happened with the Green New Deal, which people soon believed that the Congressional resolution was actual legislation requiring the immediate slaughter of all cattle, the grounding of all airlines and the confiscation and crushing of all automobiles.

They're not lying hard enough. I've said it before and I said it again, only the liar will triumph. If they were truly moral instead of virtue signalling, you wouldn't hear an ounce of truth from the left.

Nithavela · Nov 18, 2020

Monksailor said:
Joe is not who won. It is his sidekick. The first sentence of the first post substantiates this. Most on the democratic side are counting on Joe to kick the bucket and if he doesn't soon enough....well, maybe they will help things along. THEN they can get the big, bad steam roller out.

Is that Kamala Harrises new nickname? The "big bad steam roller"?

ThatRobGuy · Nov 18, 2020

jayem said:
This election is a sad commentary on how divided a nation we are. And not just Democrat/Republican. On many more levels: younger/older; men/women; white/black; urban/suburban/rural; affluent/struggling; white collar/blue collar; college/non-college; religious/non-religious--it goes on and on.

I can't recall who said it, but can't we just get along?

The loudest voices (although, they may not be the majority voices) don't seem to want to promote a get along message.

One side: "Wanting the slightest bit of government intervention means you're an evil socialist who wants to destroy America!"

Other side: "If you don't get on board with every woke leftist PC agenda talking point, then you're a racist homophobic bigot who just wants to cling to your bible and guns"

ThatRobGuy · Nov 18, 2020

A_Thinker said:
Biden won by the same electoral vote that Trump won in 2016, ... and by 10 million more popular votes.

The Electoral College disadvantages Democrats. Biden had to win 5 million more votes before he was on a level playing field ...

...but like I said, it should've been a landslide.

We have a reality TV show host who's gone on record as grabbing anatomy, cheating on spouses, Tweeting catty rants more than spoiled high school kid, and outright promoting conspiracy theories.

Any party opposing him that was even remotely reasonable (overall) should've crushed him by tens of million of votes (in the popular vote).

The reason why they didn't? Because voices in the opposing party (that happen to get a lot of exposure) are calling for absurdities like defunding the police, saying everyone has to chip in to pay off someone else master's degree in dance theory, and claiming that if you say 'a 3 year old shouldn't be choosing their gender', you're some sort of racist homophobe who hates poor people.

Ideologies like those espoused by "The Squad" (and their ilk) are the reason why this race was as close as it was, and not a landslide.

Speedwell · Nov 18, 2020

ThatRobGuy said:
...but like I said, it should've been a landslide.

We have a reality TV show host who's gone on record as grabbing anatomy, cheating on spouses, Tweeting catty rants more than spoiled high school kid, and outright promoting conspiracy theories.

Any party opposing him that was even remotely reasonable (overall) should've crushed him by tens of million of votes (in the popular vote).

The reason why they didn't? Because voices in the opposing party (that happen to get a lot of exposure) are calling for absurdities like defunding the police, saying everyone has to chip in to pay off someone else master's degree in dance theory, and claiming that if you say 'a 3 year old shouldn't be choosing their gender', you're some sort of racist homophobe who hates poor people.

Ideologies like those espoused by "The Squad" (and their ilk) are the reason why this race was as close as it was, and not a landslide.

It is the Democrats' fault (did I make the point in this thread already?) that they are not controlling their narrative. Look how quickly "defund the police" (a minority view amongst Democrats anyway) got turned into "do away with law enforcement altogether." The rest of your characterization of Democratic policies is just as bizarre but widely credited for all that. Why is that allowed to happen?

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