"Something better will be there"? By "there" are you suggesting NHNE is heaven....a place we go to after our bodies die?
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New Covenant - fulfilled?
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There as that point in time.
(also at that point the OHOE would have been melted with fire.)
The judgment happens, then the New Heaven and the New Earth are revealed - after the judgment, the old is gone || with the coming of the NHNE the new has come - it is fulfilled.
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it was in my post that you were replying to, Peter and Stephen in early acts when I contrasted time past and but now.
anyway I was trying to show that the new covenant, as described in Hebrews 8, cannot be fulfilled yet. Pastors still need to teach their congregations to know the lord
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Quote what I wrote that you interpreted as me suggesting that pastors shouldn't prepare before they preach. There was false teaching in the early days of the church just as there is false teaching today....but the early church believers show where discernment comes from.
1 John 2:24-27
24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
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Has the Holy Spirit not yet come as promised in John 14:26?
Is 1 John 2:27 true?
Is the Holy Spirit the master teacher for those who are now members of the New Covenant?
Would you have to ignore these two verses to make your statement above work?
Why do many Dispensationalists attempt to claim the New Covenant is not now in effect?
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"Heaven and earth" are depicted throughout the old testament as God’s covenants with humanity (Heaven = God’s domain dwelling with humanity - earth). The tent and Temple were considered God's dwelling place. When the Old Covenant became obsolete and eventually disappeared....the old was gone. God now dwells in the hearts of His people.....living stones. The New Heaven/New Earth is the New Covenant (although not everyone agrees....obviously).
From N.T. Wright:
"What the New Testament Really Says About Heaven | Time" The New Testament Doesn’t Say What Most People Think It Does About Heaven
"Israel’s scriptures had long promised that God would come back in person to dwell with his people for ever. The early Christians picked this up: “The Word became flesh,” declares John [1:14], “and dwelt in our midst.” The word for “dwelt” means, literally, “tabernacled,” “pitched his tent” — alluding to the wilderness “tabernacle” in the time of Moses and the Temple built by Solomon"
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Required? By whom?
People (even pastors) may give out their understanding of God and the Bible.....but only the Holy Spirit can guide us into Truth. IOW.....True discernment comes from the Holy Spirit. It's only through the Holy Spirit that we can truly know the Lord.
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That's similar to what the Jehovah Witnesses believe, never really understood the appeal.
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[Raising hand]Oh! I can answer that (even though this wasn't directed towards me).
If it were accepted that the New Covenant is already in effect - then the Two Peoples
I'm still not sure how people can ignore who the early Church were....and still maintain that there's a different plan for geopolitical Israel.
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The JW believe that "heaven and earth" has to do with God's covenants? So do the Orthodox churches....and the Anglican/Episcopalians....the Catholic....Presbyterian....and probably more, too.
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I hope you mean "not everyone sitting in the pews".....because there's a difference between sitting IN a church and being one OF the Church.
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Now you're changing the subject.
I'm talking about the whole new heaven and earth is figurative bit.
I guess the judgment would be figurative in that framework also.
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One thing I find odd about Revelation being read 100% figurative is that other letters refer to parts of revelation and they're being literal.
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