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Live: Premier Steven Marshall provides update on SA outbreak

Above link is a reasonable aggregator of the measures being taken around the country to an outbreak currently at 25 cases.

Interestingly, rather than pandemic fatigue we appear to have pandemic enthusiasm. Adelaide hasn't had a COVID case in the community for several months, and is under very light restrictions. People seem pretty keen to enact a serious of state and national measures to contain this outbreak, so they can go back to that.
 
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Information courtesy of Google (of course - if you search for 'covid 19 map' you should be able to track up to date numbers) and the reason for cases per million is so they are more comparable than raw figures. Like many Australians I look at this, and for all the fatigue alluded to, there is also a clear sense of where we do not want to go.

Victoria has hosted our largest outbreak, and they have lifted to Australia Numbers quite a bit, and yet they have managed to get on top of it and the have been no new cases here for over two weeks.
 
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Live: Premier Steven Marshall provides update on SA outbreak

Above link is a reasonable aggregator of the measures being taken around the country to an outbreak currently at 25 cases.

Interestingly, rather than pandemic fatigue we appear to have pandemic enthusiasm. Adelaide hasn't had a COVID case in the community for several months, and is under very light restrictions. People seem pretty keen to enact a serious of state and national measures to contain this outbreak, so they can go back to that.
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I live in Forbes NSW. As far as I know we have not had a case here yet. When we look at worldwide stats or those between country and city I think we must take into consideration population density.

I am aware we don't want to go there and I'm glad for those who do their part, but let us not think ourselves too clever when circumstances are on our side.
 
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I suspect Australia and New Zealand have greatly benefited from their Asian neighbors controlling the virus. Otherwise, what are the cultural differences between Australia and New Zealand, and the rest of the Anglophone world, which has generally done badly in controlling the virus?
 
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I live in Forbes NSW. As far as I know we have not had a case here yet. When we look at worldwide stats or those between country and city I think we must take into consideration population density.

High density can have problems earlier, but the current outbreaks in the Dakotas and Montana clearly show that it's not a defining characteristic of spread.
 
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I suspect Australia and New Zealand have greatly benefited from their Asian neighbors controlling the virus. Otherwise, what are the cultural differences between Australia and New Zealand, and the rest of the Anglophone world, which has generally done badly in controlling the virus?

We have overall reasonable levels of trust in our governments, a population with a pragmatic rather than ideological outlook, and we don't take ourselves seriously.

Back on topic, Adelaide now has 4000 people in home isolation.
 
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High density can have problems earlier, but the current outbreaks in the Dakotas and Montana clearly show that it's not a defining characteristic of spread.

I would hesitate to state that they "clearly show" that. What they do show is that it is not enough to expect lower population density to save you from the pandemic. There are obviously other things in play here. Behaviour is one of them. This is why we still follow social distancing and other measures to prevent the spread.

Otherwise, what are the cultural differences between Australia and New Zealand, and the rest of the Anglophone world, which has generally done badly in controlling the virus?

I think you will find the cultural differences quite vast. "Anglophone" is a bit narrow when defining Australia's culture, which has been influenced by many other cultures. Not real sure about New Zealand.

I was born in Rhodesia in southern Africa. I am of English and Scots descent but there was a huge Dutch cultural influence from the Afrikaans in that area. A bit hard to say I'm Anglophone.

Besides all this I am a christian influenced by the holiness culture. I do have to admit that I don't really fit into the Australian psyche. I'm not a "pour me a beer and throw another shrimp on the barbie" kind of guy. I abstain from alcoholic beverages and don't eat seafood.
 
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We have overall reasonable levels of trust in our governments, a population with a pragmatic rather than ideological outlook, and we don't take ourselves seriously.

Are English people less trusting of government than Australians?

Most of the western world has been a disaster in handling COVID-19.
 
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Are English people less trusting of government than Australians?

Lol. Ever heard of Brexit? Also the UK is 4 grumbly sub kingdoms that don't really get on, has a few thousand years of a monarchy, a very ideologically driven left/right divide, and an idiot in charge.

Most of the western world has been a disaster in handling COVID-19.

Agreed. For many of them the idea that you could somehow manage a moderate pandemic was reality instead of fiction.
 
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Lol. Ever heard of Brexit? Also the UK is 4 grumbly sub kingdoms that don't really get on, has a few thousand years of a monarchy, a very ideologically driven left/right divide, and an idiot in charge.

Except for the monarchy bit, it sounds alot like America right now.

I have only lived in the US and UK, so I am not familiar with Australia or New Zealand.

I still think Australia and NZ have benefited from being in the pacific region, however, with good neighbors.

Questions like this interest me because I believe this could be a global civilizational shift away from western hegemony. If anything, Asian values seem to be the real winner in the pandemic, something that hasn't been lost on Confucian scholars such as Daniel Bell.
 
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Except for the monarchy bit, it sounds alot like America right now.

There you go.

I still think Australia and NZ have benefited from being in the pacific region, however, with good neighbors.

As Ana and others have noted, we benefit from being not-transport-hub islands. However, what we really benefited from is a concordance of federal governments, state governments, strong scientific driven leadership and a populace who all agreed a shut down and suppression made good sense.

For instance, we not only shut down international flights, but also domestic flights, and for the first time in the country's history shut the state borders.

In Dec 2019, our prime minister's approval rating was 45%. This month it is 66%
The approval rating of our State premiers this month are:
Gladys Berejiklian, NSW 75%
Daniel Andrews VIC 65%
Annastacia Palaszczuk, QLD, 65%
Steven Marshall, SA, 65%
Mark McGowan, WA 87%

WA has had a hard border shutdown from the rest of the country for the last 9 months. I am from Perth, haven't seen my family in all that time, and he's at 87%. I mean seriously, 87%!

Daniel Andrews put us through a 112 day extreme lock down for the only second wave in Australia which was entirely caused by his office mismanaging quarantine hotels in the first place and he's at 65%

We accepted the consensus agreement of all our leaders (including those not in power) that this was the right approach, we felt reassured that no-one in any part of the government objected to the massive spend on job keeper and job seeker boosts that basically had the Australian government paying people's wages, which passed through the legislature in rapid time with bipartisan support.

Questions like this interest me because I believe this could be a global civilizational shift away from western hegemony. If anything, Confucian values seem to be the real winner in the pandemic, something that hasn't been lost on Confucian scholars such as Daniel Bell.

Australia and New Zealand show you don't need that Asian authoritarian approach to succeed, and I see precious little evidence of any Europeans or Americans extolling the virtues of that concept.
 
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There you go.



As Ana and others have noted, we benefit from being not-transport-hub islands. However, what we really benefited from is a concordance of federal governments, state governments, strong scientific driven leadership and a populace who all agreed a shut down and suppression made good sense.

For instance, we not only shut down international flights, but also domestic flights, and for the first time in the country's history shut the state borders.

In Dec 2019, our prime minister's approval rating was 45%. This month it is 66%
The approval rating of our State premiers this month are:
Gladys Berejiklian, NSW 75%
Daniel Andrews VIC 65%
Annastacia Palaszczuk, QLD, 65%
Steven Marshall, SA, 65%
Mark McGowan, WA 87%

WA has had a hard border shutdown from the rest of the country for the last 9 months. I am from Perth, haven't seen my family in all that time, and he's at 87%. I mean seriously, 87%!

Daniel Andrews put us through a 112 day extreme lock down for the only second wave in Australia which was entirely caused by his office mismanaging quarantine hotels in the first place and he's at 65%

We accepted the consensus agreement of all our leaders (including those not in power) that this was the right approach, we felt reassured that no-one in any part of the government objected to the massive spend on job keeper and job seeker boosts that basically had the Australian government paying people's wages, which passed through the legislature in rapid time with bipartisan support.



Australia and New Zealand show you don't need that Asian authoritarian approach to succeed, and I see precious little evidence of any Europeans or Americans extolling the virtues of that concept.

I find it hard to believe Australians and New Zealanders are culturally all that distinct from Europe, which is why I am unconvinced. But I admit it is something that should be explored further.
 
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I find it hard to believe Australians and New Zealanders are culturally all that distinct from Europe, which is why I am unconvinced. But I admit it is something that should be explored further.
I think it's our geographic isolation that put us in good situation to begin with.

Also, a comparative willingness to put up with lock down.
 
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I think it's our geographic isolation that put us in good situation to begin with.

Also, a comparative willingness to put up with lock down.

Yes, I think that's it. The initial success of lockdowns there has made people less weary and indifferent, whereas in Europe, the situation spun out of control quickly with very haphazard responses in Italy, for instance. Europeans and Americans are confused and demoralized.
 
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Yes, I think that's it. The initial success of lockdowns there has made people less weary and indifferent, whereas in Europe, the situation spun out of control quickly with very haphazard responses in Italy, for instance. Europeans and Americans are confused and demoralized.
The two major outbreaks we have had revolved around
  1. The Ruby Princess which was set on fire by the unloading of infected passengers without screening or quarantine, but just let loose. The causes behind this perhaps a failure of governance and the implementation of infection control procedures.
  2. Melbourne Hotel Quarantine Fiasco which was set on fire by a failure to observe the infection control procedures in Hotel Quarantine. This was supervised by private security guards, who it seems thought it was OK to take those in Quarantine out clubbing, and other overly close personal encounters.
The other major advantage that we have had through this has been that as we sing in our national anthem, we are 'girt by sea'. Effectively we are far enough away from everybody else to have some sense of being able to 'nationally self-isolate'. The two major issues, and indeed the latest South Australian Problem all relate to the interface with the rest of the world.

The political leadership in Australia responded cooperatively and positively, and have tried to enlist the media support in giving a strong leadership commitment with a fairly unified approach, and tried to enlist the support of and carry the Australian people with them. The Prime Minister instituted a National Cabinet with leadership from the Commonwealth and all the States zoom meeting on a regular basis.

Contact Tracking and Tracing was honed by New South Wales, who got up to speed very quickly following the Ruby Princess, and their developed skills and methodologies have been shared and embraced nationally. This has been key in getting on top of outbreaks and containing them.
 
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I suspect Australia and New Zealand have greatly benefited from their Asian neighbors controlling the virus.

Not as much as you might think. The borders here were closed months ago to non-citizens, meaning that the influence of any other country in our cases from that point on was low.
 
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South Australia implements a 6 day shut down "pause" in response to the new outbreak.

closing: Everything except essential services. Includes schools, sports, elective surgery, retail, food outlets including take away.
Masks required outside the home.
Not allowed out of the home unless buying food (1 person per household per day). Not even for exercise.
Obviously this means no travel either.

Total new cases in SA today: 2
 
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