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Ah, we’re back to that being an acceptable loss again. I thought we had moved past that, sigh.
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Deaths already rising sharply, Holdout Republican Governors finally issue Mask Mandates
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For the way spread works, having 80-90% of people wearing masks in some indoor event is very helpful vs having only 40-60%. The differences in that level of mask wearing, having another 20-40% more wear masks, will make a big difference in total virus spread over time, and also in number of severely ill patients.
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It's a pretty problem -- I've heard of people doing a complete 180 on masks after the first time Donald wore one in public. It certainly wouldn't surprise me in the least if more of them behaved similarly.
On the one hand, I agree -- police focus on protecting property, not people.
On the other hand, fines for non-compliance is a source of revenue that few municipalities would walk away from, I suspect.
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Being on the order of at least 10 times as deadly as the flu (last 10 year average deaths from flu are about 30,000/yr roughly), and potentially even 30 times as deadly, Covid warrants more effort to prevent spread. You don't want 1-2 million deaths (which repeatedly Trump says he prevented). Back in April I think, I estimated at least 700,000 deaths if unchecked. I was being very cautious not to overestimate.
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Maybe so but what they going to do devote officers to mask patrol?
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To those over 65, yes. For those under 65, with no PECs, covid is LESS lethal than the flu, especially for children. I am not convinced, looking at the data, that people are dying because of covid, but instead dying (from something else) while having (or have had) covid. This calculation is done by removing "excess" death numbers, and focusing down on "direct" deaths to determine how lethal this virus actually is:
Coronavirus, diabetes, obesity and other underlying conditions: Which patients are most at risk?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf?ref=patrick.net
Anecdotally, with my neighbors (house hold of 5), 2 came down with covid, the other 3 tested negative
Coworker (70 years old) got it, his wife did not
Coworker's (different from above) mother got it twice at 82 years of age, she recovered. Other family members in household tested positive, mild symptoms, 1 of the children had no symptoms.
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The number of deaths is the product of two basic bits of data:
- The risk of dying after contracting COVID - the death rate.
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- The number of cases of COVID infection
Improved treatment has reduced the risk of dying compared to the early stages of the pandemic. Unfortunately the number of cases has increased steeply. As a result the number of deaths is now significantly increasing. The 7 day moving average for deaths now stands at 1,170 a day.
It's also likely that the steep increase in infections will result in localised hospital overcrowding and a shortage of ICU beds, ventilators, staff, medication, PPE, etc. As a result death rates are likely to increase.
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Didn't take long for that to turn into a Trump bash.
The simple truth is, Trump let them all decide for themselves how to deal with it, and if he had not done so, you all would surely have been on him for not letting them decice for themselves. Nothing more to it.
The sympathy card is not an automatic win, you have to have something aside from that to make it work. In this case, a refute would have been helpful, and if not, best just let it be.
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Regardless of age, you don't want 1-2 million extra deaths in just a year and a half from something you could greatly reduce.
Thus we've done a lot of things to slow it down, and will perhaps get out with perhaps something nearer to 400,000 or maybe something like 500,000 Covid deaths by the time it's over. So, we will have prevented perhaps 1/2 of a million early deaths roughly, not all of them over age 70, but plenty younger also.
Or put another way, a difference of something like 15 years worth of flu deaths, in just one year and a half or so, prevented by having done the things we have done.
People, both young and old, with more time here to get things right, before their ends.
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Since December 2019, COVID-19 has killed more people in the U.S. than influenza has in the last five years.
No, COVID-19 Is Not the Flu
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Do you have a citation to specifically support this?
When I last looked at the mortality rates by cohorts, COVID-19 was still far deadlier than the flu even if you were under 65.
(And this is without factoring in the possibility of lingering health conditions among survivors.)
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I am opposed to judging people for their choices and opposed to mandates of said messures.
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