What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

Ophiolite said:

Matthew 7:3

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Hmm .. sounds very Humanist of him ..

NBB said:

God put prophets and pastors etc, to create the bible and preach today, if you don't believe them, it could happen the same as the rich and lazarus, 'God resurrect prophets so they tell my people and they don't end here' and the response was 'if they didn't believe to my people they are not going to believe even if some prophets resurrect from the dead'

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Wrong board, dude!

Evolution/creation is the subject. Falsifiability of evolution and abiogenesis the topic.

pitabread said:

I think there are probably some who are sincere, but it's difficult to tell which is which.

And besides, what you describe doesn't sound very appealing. Just makes God seem kinda needy.

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Why wouldn't a person want to meet their creator, he knows you in and out, i say 'he has some interesting things to give to people right', also he is very good and the more 'elevated' thoughts of what people wish, God can do better, even in this life we can get blessed.

'Things nobody saw, or even got into the hearts of men, are what he has prepared to those who love him' God can have very interesting things to show to us.

NBB said:

Why wouldn't a person want to meet their creator

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Most of us have met our creators. They raised us generally.

Hans Blaster said:

Most of us have met our creators. They raised us generally.

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And you were the one that is supposed to leave child like thinking? or i don't remember,
because really so your parents designed your body and intellect?
What is the creator of a painting, the orginal painter, or the one that makes copies of it?

NBB said:

Why wouldn't a person want to meet their creator, he knows you in and out

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Yeah, that's creepy.

NBB said:

And you were the one that is supposed to leave child like thinking? or i don't remember,
because really so your parents designed your body and intellect?
What is the creator of a painting, the orginal painter, or the one that makes copies of it?

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My body and intellect weren't designed (there is no evidence that it was). There is not "original" nor "copy". We are all offspring of our parents and they of theirs, and so on for millions of years.

Hans Blaster said:

A move beyond common sense or human intuition would seem to be in order. Maybe we could build a system for testing ideas and judging the results free of prior biases. Perhaps it could be repeatable and have a mechanism to show that certain ideas are poor. What should we call that...

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You... you mean a rational framework for knowledge acquisition by empirical means? GASP!

Surely it can't be... science?

NBB said:

I still mean what i originally thought about that, and i'm not moving any goal posts, if you think a computer is greater than you, then a rock is better because it also doesn't get hurt as much, and a tree is better because it can live longer, or an animal is better because it has better muscles and motor skills, i mean greater as a WHOLE and you can't deny the superiority of people comparing them to this things.

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You're absolutely right - humans are better at being completely human that any machine we could make.

psst... you're confirming my point.

NBB said:

Its english language you should get it. by greater i don't mean size of course.
Basically more capable, yes i say more capable of doing things in general.

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Now you're getting it... but what are 'things in general'? Running fast? jumping high? diving deep? digging tunnels? catching flies? swinging through the trees? changing colour? firing explosions out of your butt? growing back your arm or leg or head? breathing underwater? flying?

NBB said:

You know what i mean, more capable in general, more smart in general, more authority, power, influence, and capacity in general do i need to explain more?

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'capacity in general'? See, that's all still vague, but I think you're narrowing it down to the stuff humans specialise in, i.e. stuff we should be good at. Like I said, you can do that for any creature.

A gorilla is more powerful in bodily strength than a human (not that kind of power?)
A killer hornet has authority (not that kind of authority?)
A flu virus has influence (not that kind of influence?)
A whale has more capacity in general (not that kind of capacity?)

So it goes...

Hans Blaster said:

There's an unfortunate reason for this: NBB's fundamental "proof" that evolution is false is that the created thing must not be greater than the creating thing.

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Has he never considered the acorn and the oak tree? the egg and the chicken?

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

firing explosions out of your butt?

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How did you know?

NBB said:

God put prophets and pastors etc, to create the bible and preach today, if you don't believe them, it could happen the same as the rich and lazarus, 'God resurrect prophets so they tell my people and they don't end here' and the response was 'if they didn't believe to my people they are not going to believe even if some prophets resurrect from the dead'

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Yeah, but doesn't the bible warn against false prophets? How do you tell a true prophet from a false prophet?

Hans Blaster said:

How did you know?

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I was thinking of the Bombardier beetle, but if you can do better, I'll withdraw it

NBB said:

.. because really so your parents designed your body and intellect?

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Not in my case .. but they certainly had a 'hand' in creating me, (for one).

In any case, I don't worship 'designers' (of anything). More like I spend a lot of time cursing them .. like the designer of the cutting edge on the Saran wrap box!

Why does this so-called 'designer' choose to impersonate a parent? Is it out of some misapprehension that this is the way to gain respect? I respect my parents not because they're parents .. but because they've earned it.

(... Oh .. and I'm not @Hans Blaster .. Other people can respond to your posts too, y'know).

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

I was thinking of the Bombardier beetle, but if you can do better, I'll withdraw it

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Wasn't there an alien bug in the movie 'Starship Troopers' which used a flame thrower type method as a weapon of mass destruction?

FrumiousBandersnatch said:

I was thinking of the Bombardier beetle, but if you can do better, I'll withdraw it

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My capabilities are ... mmm ... different. Yeah, let's go with different.

SelfSim said:

Wasn't there an alien bug in the movie 'Starship Troopers' which used that as a weapon of mass destruction?

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The marvels of evolution!

Hans Blaster said:

The marvels of evolution!

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It worked for interplanetary applications as well, IIRC!