What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

Hans Blaster

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Use your imagination a bit you don't need numbers to say humans are more capable in general. Just look.

But am I more capable than:
a whale (don't know)
a supercomputer (not at calculating things)
an airplane (at playing music, sure; at flying, no)
you (probably)
a fire hose (not at putting out fires)
all of Germany (probably not)

Your "more capable" claim is *MEANINGLESS* in every broad sense. We can only compare capabilities when the task is comparable.
 
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If we knew what you meant we wouldn't still be having this discussion.

Do you need to explain more? No, note more; you have to explain with clarity and without ambiguity, something you have failed to do so thus far. Earlier you said this:
I imagine you hoped that would read as "It's English language, you should get it."
That's three errors in one sentence. I suggest you consider that your command of the language is not as good as you think it is. Perhaps if you used one of those computer programs you denigrate it could help you avoid such simple mistakes.

However, the serious error is that you are not writing with clarity. Your emotion and frustration are outpacing your ability to deliver your message. Since that message seems important to you why not calm down and listen to what others are saying. . . . . . No, rest assured, you are not listening. That is evident in your replies.

Note: I found it interesting that the "better" features you favoured were "authority, power and intelligence", rather than the "compassion, empathy, artisitic creativity and the like" I proposed. I fear that tells me all I need to know about you.

You should repent, or you may find the compassion of God was limited to when we lived on earth only.
 
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There's an unfortunate reason for this: NBB's fundamental "proof" that evolution is false is that the created thing must not be greater than the creating thing.
Yeah, but it's a total red herring.

I'm trying to steer the conversation back to how evolution actually works, not NBB's existential issues with creations and creators.
 
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But am I more capable than:
a whale (don't know)
a supercomputer (not at calculating things)
an airplane (at playing music, sure; at flying, no)
you (probably)
a fire hose (not at putting out fires)
all of Germany (probably not)

Your "more capable" claim is *MEANINGLESS* in every broad sense. We can only compare capabilities when the task is comparable.

More capable = can do more in general. this should be easy.
 
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I will stop this argument, but this would have not taking this long if i did find the answers reasonable.
Then please try to respond to my questions.

I think we can have a productive discussion about how evolution works.

(It's a bad idea to get hung up on belief in God on this issue, because in most of the western world, Christians who accept evolution out number atheists of all varieties.)
 
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More capable = can do more in general. this should be easy.
The problem is that this isn't very specific.

Which is more capable, a wolf or a lion? A gorilla or an octopus? A monkey or a hyena?
 
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More capable = can do more in general. this should be easy.

Is there some well established scale of general capability we can refer to? If this is such a basic concept, surely some will have come up with a scale by now. I'd rather work with concrete measureables if we are to pass judgement on the capabilities of various things than some vague notion that humans are the most capable.
 
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Its what God commands to all people, so they may live better and know him.
When God himself tells me (not you), I'll consider it. In the meantime, it's just some rando on the internet threatening me.
 
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When God himself tells me (not you), I'll consider it. In the meantime, it's just some rando on the internet threatening me.

God put prophets and pastors etc, to create the bible and preach today, if you don't believe them, it could happen the same as the rich and lazarus, 'God resurrect prophets so they tell my people and they don't end here' and the response was 'if they didn't believe to my people they are not going to believe even if some prophets resurrect from the dead'
 
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Use your imagination a bit you don't need numbers to say humans are more capable in general. Just look.

"Just look" isn't useful. And the fact that you continue to be unable to actually define your claim in a meaningful way, suggests it's probably not a valid claim to begin with.
 
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God put prophets and pastors etc, to create the bible and preach today,

If God really wanted to convert people, they'd screen their salespeople better.

IMHO, I have no reason to believe that any preachers or pastors are speaking on behalf of any deity.
 
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If God really wanted to convert people, they'd screen their salespeople better.

IMHO, I have no reason to believe that any preachers or pastors are speaking on behalf of any deity.

There can be some people who wants only money etc. but there are others very sincere who just want to spread the good news that God can be our adoptive father through Jesus and that we can live with him forever, and also benefit in this life too.
 
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NBB said:
Its what God commands to all people, so they may live better and know him.
When God himself tells me (not you), I'll consider it. In the meantime, it's just some rando on the internet threatening me.
If the concept wasn't so intellectually disturbing, it would be kind of funny .. I mean, I think its pretty obvious that the 'God' concept was probably invented in order to eliminate/minimise the 'tall poppy syndrome' in human civilisations .. (ie: the 'Heavenly Father' central power authority, dominating over independently freely thinking individuals).

So the whole concept of an all powerful 'God', actually falsifies the argument that 'the creation cannot be greater than the creator', when it was demonstrably invented by humans.
 
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There can be some people who wants only money etc. but there are others very sincere who just want to spread the good news that God can be our adoptive father through Jesus and live with him forever, and also benefit in this life too.

I think there are probably some who are sincere, but it's difficult to tell which is which.

And besides, what you describe doesn't sound very appealing. Just makes God seem kinda needy.
 
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There can be some people who wants only money etc. but there are others very sincere who just want to spread the good news that God can be our adoptive father through Jesus and live with him forever, and also benefit in this life too.
I, for one, don't have an adoptive father .. and even if I did, fathers don't posess any special insights which permit them to dominate others and demand that their offspring worship them! Get real.
 
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"can do more in general" doesn't mean anything. More what exactly?
I think education 'teases out' the child-like 'in general' perceptions we have has kids .. and replaces it with insights about the complexities and realities of the world we live in.

Please excuse my musings here: I'm always seeking to understand how the fundamentalist mindset which we typically encounter at CFs actually comes about, in order to ensure that our own offspring can break that perpeptual cycle of intellectual entrapment(?)
 
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