Believing In The Actual Jesus

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A fellow once informed me that he knows there's a Jesus because he spoke with Him just this morning. Well: I was curious about Jesus' voice so I asked the guy if Jesus was a tenor, a bass, or a baritone? Does he speak fast or slow? Does he speak with an accent? Does Jesus rattle on or break up his talk with a generous amount of pauses, like Carl Sagan?

Another person I encountered online said they hear God's still small voice in their mind when at prayer. Well; I suggested that maybe they should seek counseling from a mental health professional if perchance they were experiencing onset schizophrenia. (But more often it's likely just people's imaginations running away with them.)


NOTE: Mother Teresa went as a missionary on the strength of a number of "interior imaginative locutions" she claims to have received from Christ himself beginning in Sept of 1946 and ending some time in 1947.

Locutions are neither apparitions nor visions: they're imaginations, i.e. daydreams, viz: they are neither visual nor are they audio. Teresa never actually heard anything with her own ears nor saw an apparition with her own eyes.

The locutions ceased once Teresa got a post in India and for the next five decades she experienced not so much as a glimmer of the Lord's presence; which eventually caused her quite a bit of anxiety, and doubts as to whether her coming to India was a mistake. (Along with that, she also began to question if there really is a God out there.)

Her anxiety became so stressful and confusing that in the final weeks of her life, Teresa, at the urging of Henry D'Souza, the Archbishop of Calcutta (a.k.a. Kolkata), agreed to an exorcism-- performed by Father Rosario Stroscio --if perchance demons were clouding her mind. Father Stroscio, 79, is reported to have said Mother Teresa appeared dazed, and behaving strangely at the time of the exorcism.

The ritual wasn't performed to rid Teresa of possession, rather, to ward off any demons that might be pestering her so she could have some peace of mind.

My point is: relying too much upon voices and/or scenes taking place in one's mind (e.g. locutions) can be risky because if and when they cease, the silence can lead one to worry whether God doesn't like you anymore.
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You have evidence that solidly proves for sure, beyond even a hint of sensible doubt, that an actual Jesus actually said John 20:29?

And evidence that solidly proves for sure, beyond even a hint of sensible doubt, that what he is alleged to have said is actually true?
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God chose to save by faith - which is defined as, ‘the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen’ - not by empirical evidence.

Having said that, when a person is born again, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, there’s tangible evidence that has happened.

Some call it the Holy Spirit chill, but whatever you call it:

Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

Have you ever asked Jesus to come into your heart, forgive your sins, save your soul, and make you a new creation?

Shalom.
 
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1Cor 9:1 . . Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

2 Tim 1:12 . . I know whom I have believed

Paul could honestly say those things because he experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus. (Acts 9:3-6, 22:6-10, and 26:12-18)

Well, to be honest about it; I have never once experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus like Paul did. So I cannot attest, beyond a shadow of sensible doubt, that the Jesus I believe in is authentic.
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How do you compare your experience (or lack thereof) with Paul's if you don't even know whether he actually experienced it?
 
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1Cor 9:1 . . Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

2 Tim 1:12 . . I know whom I have believed

Paul could honestly say those things because he experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus. (Acts 9:3-6, 22:6-10, and 26:12-18)

Well, to be honest about it; I have never once experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus like Paul did. So I cannot attest, beyond a shadow of sensible doubt, that the Jesus I believe in is authentic.
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Matthew 7:7-9
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Ask, Seek, Knock
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone?

If you truly seek the lord and try to have a relationship with him. He will show himself to you.
 
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If you truly seek the lord and try to have a relationship with him. He will show himself to you.

So you've seen him then; with you own eyes? How tall is he? What color is his skin? What color is his hair? Does he even have hair? Was it short or long? Was he wearing a hat or was his head bare? Were you close enough to see his eyes? What color are they? And what was he wearing? Modern clothes or what might be called biblical fashions? When you saw Jesus; was he standing, sitting, kneeling, squatting, or perhaps hovering?

Friend, if your vision of Jesus has been some sort of mental impression rather than an actuality, then beware because it was locutions that led to the almost total destruction of Mother Teresa's faith. (post No.21)
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So you've seen him then; with you own eyes? How tall is he? What color is his skin? What color is his hair? Does he even have hair? Was it short or long? Was he wearing a hat or was his head bare? Were you close enough to see his eyes? What color are they? And what was he wearing? Modern clothes or what might be called biblical fashions? When you saw Jesus; was he standing, sitting, kneeling, squatting, or perhaps hovering?

Friend, if your vision of Jesus has been some sort of mental impression rather than an actuality, then beware because it was locutions that led to the almost total destruction of Mother Teresa's faith. (post No.21)
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The lord shows his spiritual character to you the more you seek him. You become more spiritually aware of him, the more you have a relationship with him, Because we worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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1Cor 9:1 . . Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

2 Tim 1:12 . . I know whom I have believed

Paul could honestly say those things because he experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus. (Acts 9:3-6, 22:6-10, and 26:12-18)

Well, to be honest about it; I have never once experienced a close encounter with the real Jesus like Paul did. So I cannot attest, beyond a shadow of sensible doubt, that the Jesus I believe in is authentic.
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Thomas started off making the same claim

2 Cor 12
2 I know a man in Christ, who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

I also have never been taken to heaven so I cannot attest to it like a first-hand eye witness.

If that "limit" were sufficient to stop the Gospel - there would not be one single Christian on planet Earth alive today.

But it is not as though we have no real things to encounter.

We have the real Holy Spirit -- God Himself - who is here with us - for real.
We have real heavenly angels - who are here with us - for real.
 
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The lord shows his spiritual character to you the more you seek him. You become more spiritually aware of him, the more you have a relationship with him, Because we worship him in spirit and in truth.

So then thus far, in your own personal experience, the "show himself" you spoke of in post No.24 has been limited to mental impressions and gut feelings? I think that pretty much sums it up for most anyone involved in a religion whose central figure is some sort of supernatural being.
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