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What amaze me about this thread or any other COVID-19 thread is that “party of pro-life” / “evangelical for sanctity of life” care more about economy than human life.

You ask these so called pro-lifer to wear mask so it might save a life , they will get upset because you are taking away their freedom, but two minutes later they want government to force your teenage daughter not to have abortion.

I am Pro-life – I believe every life , either it is in mother’s womb or someone working in Grocery store , regardless of their “legal status” , every life is a precious gift from God.
 
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You have had in the last two days, more than 140,000 per day infected with the covid virus. More than 1400 dead per day, which hasn’t been the total for months. Yet the major priority for about 1/3 of the adults in the country seems to be the preservation of Trump’s fragile ego.

Where are your priorities?
What precisely would you like me to be doing about Covid, that I'm not already doing? Do enlighten me.
 
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Freedom.

Any red-blooded American would gladly give his final breath, gasping for air in a hospital hallway without any ICU space, so long as we spite the tyrants asking us to adhere to rational public health rules.
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in the last two days, more than 140,000 per day infected with the covid virus. More than 1400 dead per day, which hasn’t been the total for months.
It seems that both Republican and Democratic states are not controlling the virus. Ones blame President Trump, but each state, as far as I know, has autonomy enough to cut down its own spread. Massachusetts did what worked, with a "liberal" Republican governor overseeing a Democratic state. The only reason Massachusetts has more spread now is because the state's own restrictions have been eased up. So, I see how the President can not decide what each state does > ones more or less blame Donald, but each state has its own power to do things.

Plus . . . each American has the power to decide if he or she wears a mask and keeps it six. I do, because my companion is 83 or so years old; I love her; so the sacrifice is not too much. I pretty much isolate from everyone else. But love makes it easy :)

But I feel for the ones who can't work and they don't have money. And it is reported how children not in school are being isolated with their abusers.

It seems we have people who have made the sacrifices for months; so now they are quite unhappy that all their effort has not made the virus go away. People's wills might be broken so they do not have hope that what they do can help.

But I have compared the official medical claims with my personal medical background and research, and it seems to me that the mainstream stuff matches with what I have understood for decades from my personal education. So, I just do the mask and hand washing and distance thing, and enjoy loving people by welcoming them to go down store aisles before me.

My take is that in the United States each person has one's own rights and can feel responsible for what he or she believes. This can isolate a lot of Americans as their own dictators!! And now this virus item is bringing out how much of a problem the every-person-for-oneself method can become. But in Australia I think there can be more unity of the people, since historically you have been under a monarchy, in the past; you've developed to be more culturally accustomed to be told what to do by someone higher-up. Also, you have a smaller population for the higher ones to control, hopefully only as needed. So, it can be easier to get everyone to do the same thing.

My opinion is I can not prove there is or is not a virus. People can be made to believe anything. Just look at how about half of Americans can seem absolutely convinced Donald is right, while the other half are totally about Joe. And I am told how certain people used to believe that giant boulders were bones left behind by their reptile gods who got killed while fighting other reptile gods. And yes I used to believe in Santa Claus . . . including how at midnight he delivered gifts to every house, all around the whole world.

Adolph was able to get a large part of Germany to believe it was a good idea to fight the whole world, in order to have Naziism. So, yes a whole country or a major part of one can be fooled into believing what is not so.

So, of course, somehow the virus thing could be a rig . . . for all I know as a human, myself. Among other possibilities, Donald was taking things over, around the world. Ones might have wanted to get back at him, in retaliation for his tariff actions and moving the capital of Israel, among other things. Ones have been trying intensely to use the COVID-19 thing to make Donald look bad. It, for all I am capable of proving, could be real or fake, but either way used to help to discredit him.

My personal take, though, is it got started by an everyday human, and humans the way we are have made sure things come to how things are now. And human theories and politics will keep helping :)

Even so, I understand each state has constitutional authority to manage controls, plus each individual American is choosing. And it looks as though a lot of Americans have individually chosen not to take the precautions. But I see a lot of masks, even outside, where I am in Massachusetts. And I like my cute blue thing :) I am surprised people are not making cloth photos of the bottom of their faces and putting these on their masks with a smile.

But it seems a number of religious people feel Democrats are trying to use the COVID-19 thing to get control. Yet, it seems, even Democratic states are out of control; but "nonbelievers" in those states might be part of their problem. But, my opinion is that, really, each person is making one's own choice. And one person can get the thing started in a church, or nursing home, or party or family gathering.

I went to a nursing home to ask about seeing a resident. No one was monitoring the door, plus a sign said make sure you wear a mask. So, in I went, immediately to be told by the woman at the front desk, that I wasn't supposed to be in the building, meaning I should not have even come inside the door! So, she and I went back to the entry sign and she stared at it, as though she was trying to make it say to stay out, when it did not say to stay out! It said to wear a mask.

What I consider is they were all so busy with all the stuff, that they just could not connect with making sure the most up-to-date and accurate sign was at the door. People just do not have the competence and discipline to keep going in a strict system which keeps making changes, after they got in the habit of being able to do everyone's own thing with simple and stable regulation, and not constantly changing dictation.

Ones can be so busy with what they expect others to do so they can do what they want for themselves. They are not at all concerned with what is to be expected from them. This is what can come with democracy and individual rights.
 
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You have had in the last two days, more than 140,000 per day infected with the covid virus. More than 1400 dead per day, which hasn’t been the total for months. Yet the major priority for about 1/3 of the adults in the country seems to be the preservation of Trump’s fragile ego.

Where are your priorities?

Ummmm...perhaps now it's time to reveal my secret virus fighting superpowers?
 
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Driewerf gave us this cartoon in Post #46 >

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Indeed.

If I knew a forest fire was set in order to control me, and then I was told to evacuate my house which was in the path of that fire . . . I think I would leave my house; but once I was away from the fire, I would not let the conspirator control what I did.

Even if the mask thing is a hoax . . . I am being careful, just in case. And wearing a mask can not stop me from loving. And God is able to bring us to more and more of His good, no matter what evil people do. Look at how Jesus was not stopped by the control efforts of the ones who put Him on the cross.

So it is not wise to boast what conspirators can do, or else we could be under their power by feeling they can do so much . . . when in truth >

"God resists the proud" (in James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5).

Plus, evil people can take only so much . . . not the best of all we have with God. And God is able to keep what He is committed to sharing with us . . . right while Satanic people are doing the exact opposite to attack us >

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies" (in Psalm 23:5).

Right now, anyone can do exactly what God has us do with Him in His peace > Colossians 3:15.
 
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It seems that both Republican and Democratic states are not controlling the virus. Ones blame President Trump, but each state, as far as I know, has autonomy enough to cut down its own spread.
Unfortunately, that's because there are going to be people in those states , whether red or blue, that don't care what the state government or health organization say or recommend or enact to protect the health of it's citizens.

Heck, here in Michigan we had armed militia members storming the state capital to protest their having to wear masks and demand the right to kill their elderly family members with COVID-19 (it that so happens). We even had a few of them get arrested for planning to kidnap and execute the Governor because of her lockdown orders. For some reason they saw her trying to save peoples lives as a cause for charging her with treason.
 
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Just another unreasonable effort to make Trump, and his supporters look bad, and worse yet, by using such a serious thing as the death of others as means to accomplish that.
Meh, trump doesn't need anyone's help in making himself look bad.
 
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You have had in the last two days, more than 140,000 per day infected with the covid virus. More than 1400 dead per day, which hasn’t been the total for months. Yet the major priority for about 1/3 of the adults in the country seems to be the preservation of Trump’s fragile ego.

Where are your priorities?
Certainly not shaming those who have different opinions then i have
 
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People in my state were begging the governor to shut us down completely back in March and April. A few were against the idea, but the vast majority were more than willing to endure several weeks of self-isolating and lockdown, if it would halt the spread effectively. Unfortunately, the governor ignored us for weeks. And weeks. And weeks. The spread continued, the numbers climbed, and he did next to nothing. Even today, our state has never been properly "shut down" at all, throughout the pandemic.

He's a Democrat, by the way.

But now, it's been 8 months. Many businesses suffered irreparable losses. Many of them went bankrupt and had to close permanently. Many people lost their livelihood. Rates of depression and other mental illnesses exacerbated by long-term stress and isolation from jobs, family, friends, churches, and society in general, have skyrocketed.

It's not Trump's fault that the states individually handled this in a largely horrible and ineffective fashion. Nor is it the fault of conservatives like myself. I was all for a lockdown when this all started. I was one of the people begging the governor to listen to his constituents and act swiftly.

He didn't.

It's not reasonable to continue to hold a nation of over 300 million people hostage, especially after so many months of bungled, half-hearted attempts at various forms of lockdowns and shutdowns. People are exhausted. People have lost jobs. Businesses have crumbled. Anxiety and fear over the virus have been jammed down our throats, day and night, week after week, month after month, while transparency about how to stop and slow the virus has been anything but forthcoming and consistent. We're being told to panic and worry about a boogeyman that we know almost nothing about. We're given conflicting stories about how to hide from the monster, while at the same time being told that hundreds of thousands of people are sick and dying anyway.

Is it any wonder that people are just completely fed up and at the end of their willingness to keep believing what the media is telling them about the pandemic? At some point, you have to allow people to live again.
 
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My point still stands.
That might be true, but me personally, I hope my family and friends live a long and happy life being who they are long after this whole coronavirus thing is over.

Obviously, not all people are so inclined.
 
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That might be true, but me personally, I hope my family and friends live a long and happy life being who they are long after this whole coronavirus thing is over.

Obviously, not all people are so inclined.
You're right, we all want our loved ones to die. As quickly as possible.
 
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Heck, here in Michigan we had armed militia members storming the state capital to protest their having to wear masks and demand the right to kill their elderly family members with COVID-19 (it that so happens). We even had a few of them get arrested for planning to kidnap and execute the Governor because of her lockdown orders. For some reason they saw her trying to save peoples lives as a cause for charging her with treason.

Storming the state capital?

You had actual riots for days in Michigan.

Detroit police say 'dozens of warnings' issued before rally arrests; protesters call action brutal
 
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BLM beat him to the punch on that.

Right? It's weird to see people who claimed that for 3 months of riots and looting "some things are more important than covid" turn around and flip flop about the importance of covid.

If it's important enough to close business and avoid large gatherings....then we should arrest everyone who has a large gathering.

It's not "rules for you but not for me"....that's not how this works.
 
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