Trump claims absentee ballot fraud while his campaign encourages republicans to commit fraud for him

SimplyMe · Nov 10, 2020

disciple Clint said:
This is entirely up to the courts, they will decide.

Okay, fine. And what do you expect the court to do? Do you expect the court to remove those votes? The issue is, they can't -- they don't know who they voted for. You do realize that many of the votes cast, were they illegal, could have been cast for Trump?

That is part of the issue -- Trump's campaign doesn't even know if these votes are fraudulent, just that these people have some type of residence in another state (which is why they included all the military, who are unlikely to have voted fraudulently). Since they don't even know that much, they can't claim this is some type of "massive fraud" being perpetrated by the Democrats. For all they know, there could have been some Trump campaign worker who sent thousands of votes in.

So what does the court do? Do they throw out all of the legally cast votes to get rid of a relatively small number of fraudulent votes -- with the actual fraudulent votes not enough to change the results of the election? Do you expect the court to "call" Nevada for Trump -- basically judicial overreach?

Additionally, even if the court threw out all the votes, because of the relatively few fraudulent ones, how does that help? There isn't time before the vote count has to be completed (Dec. 8, as I recall) for a re-vote and you can't remove the "fraudulent" ballots -- since the ballots aren't marked as to who cast them. At best -- if they got a court to invalidate the election -- then likely the legislature would vote for President (the Electors), and the legislature in Nevada is currently controlled by Democrats.

This is the issue. The Trump campaign is arguing something they have no evidence is, they just have a list of people who may have cast a vote illegally. Seriously, if I have a list of people who may have committed murder, should I be able to go to court and get them to investigate you, just because I believe you might have murdered someone -- without even evidence someone is dead?

Next, since they don't know if these people voted illegally, they can't state who they voted for, much less it was some "Democratic fraud." Can you begin to see why no court should take this "list" seriously? Trump is desparate and doesn't even seem to care if the cases have any merit at all.

disciple Clint · Nov 11, 2020

SimplyMe said:
Okay, fine. And what do you expect the court to do? Do you expect the court to remove those votes? The issue is, they can't -- they don't know who they voted for. You do realize that many of the votes cast, were they illegal, could have been cast for Trump?

That is part of the issue -- Trump's campaign doesn't even know if these votes are fraudulent, just that these people have some type of residence in another state (which is why they included all the military, who are unlikely to have voted fraudulently). Since they don't even know that much, they can't claim this is some type of "massive fraud" being perpetrated by the Democrats. For all they know, there could have been some Trump campaign worker who sent thousands of votes in.

So what does the court do? Do they throw out all of the legally cast votes to get rid of a relatively small number of fraudulent votes -- with the actual fraudulent votes not enough to change the results of the election? Do you expect the court to "call" Nevada for Trump -- basically judicial overreach?

Additionally, even if the court threw out all the votes, because of the relatively few fraudulent ones, how does that help? There isn't time before the vote count has to be completed (Dec. 8, as I recall) for a re-vote and you can't remove the "fraudulent" ballots -- since the ballots aren't marked as to who cast them. At best -- if they got a court to invalidate the election -- then likely the legislature would vote for President (the Electors), and the legislature in Nevada is currently controlled by Democrats.

This is the issue. The Trump campaign is arguing something they have no evidence is, they just have a list of people who may have cast a vote illegally. Seriously, if I have a list of people who may have committed murder, should I be able to go to court and get them to investigate you, just because I believe you might have murdered someone -- without even evidence someone is dead?

Next, since they don't know if these people voted illegally, they can't state who they voted for, much less it was some "Democratic fraud." Can you begin to see why no court should take this "list" seriously? Trump is desparate and doesn't even seem to care if the cases have any merit at all.

Wow all that and all we need to do is wait for the cases to go to court and see what the judge decides to do. You might get the impression that the Dems do not want this to go through the appropriate process to ensure that there was a fair election.

camille70 · Nov 11, 2020

SimplyMe said:
Okay, fine. And what do you expect the court to do? Do you expect the court to remove those votes? The issue is, they can't -- they don't know who they voted for. You do realize that many of the votes cast, were they illegal, could have been cast for Trump?

That is part of the issue -- Trump's campaign doesn't even know if these votes are fraudulent, just that these people have some type of residence in another state (which is why they included all the military, who are unlikely to have voted fraudulently). Since they don't even know that much, they can't claim this is some type of "massive fraud" being perpetrated by the Democrats. For all they know, there could have been some Trump campaign worker who sent thousands of votes in.

So what does the court do? Do they throw out all of the legally cast votes to get rid of a relatively small number of fraudulent votes -- with the actual fraudulent votes not enough to change the results of the election? Do you expect the court to "call" Nevada for Trump -- basically judicial overreach?

Additionally, even if the court threw out all the votes, because of the relatively few fraudulent ones, how does that help? There isn't time before the vote count has to be completed (Dec. 8, as I recall) for a re-vote and you can't remove the "fraudulent" ballots -- since the ballots aren't marked as to who cast them. At best -- if they got a court to invalidate the election -- then likely the legislature would vote for President (the Electors), and the legislature in Nevada is currently controlled by Democrats.

This is the issue. The Trump campaign is arguing something they have no evidence is, they just have a list of people who may have cast a vote illegally. Seriously, if I have a list of people who may have committed murder, should I be able to go to court and get them to investigate you, just because I believe you might have murdered someone -- without even evidence someone is dead?

Next, since they don't know if these people voted illegally, they can't state who they voted for, much less it was some "Democratic fraud." Can you begin to see why no court should take this "list" seriously? Trump is desparate and doesn't even seem to care if the cases have any merit at all.

Trumps lawyers have already said they have no evidence of fraud. Also keep in mind 600 votes won't change the out come of the election. Trump is just stalling and fund raising. This is for Montgomery county:

THE COURT:In your petition, which is right before me--and I read it several times--you don't claim that any electors or the Board of the County were guilty of fraud, correct? That's correct?

MR. GOLDSTEIN: Your honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step. And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the DNC or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith. The DNC is coming with good faith. We're all just trying to get an election done. We think these were a mistake, but we think they are a fatal mistake, and these ballots ought not be counted.

THE COURT: I understand. I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?

MR. GOLDSTEIN: To my knowledge at present, no.

THE COURT: Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots?

MR. GOLDSTEIN:To my knowledge at present, no.

ALERT: WE JUST INTERVENED IN PENNSYLVANIA

Two counties that were suspected of fraud, Trump won:

Trump, Without Evidence of Fraud, Files Federal Suit to Block Pennsylvania from Certifying Election Results

camille70 · Nov 11, 2020

There were 10,000 ballots that arrived after election day. Even if all these are thrown out, and they were all for Biden, they wouldn't be enough to cause him to lose the election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...in-ballots-after-polls-closed-on-election-day

camille70 · Nov 11, 2020

Snell & Wilmer withdraws from election lawsuit as Trump contests Arizona results

disciple Clint · Nov 12, 2020

camille70 said:
Trumps lawyers have already said they have no evidence of fraud. Also keep in mind 600 votes won't change the out come of the election. Trump is just stalling and fund raising. This is for Montgomery county:

THE COURT:In your petition, which is right before me--and I read it several times--you don't claim that any electors or the Board of the County were guilty of fraud, correct? That's correct?

MR. GOLDSTEIN: Your honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step. And it is rare that I call somebody a liar, and I am not calling the Board of the DNC or anybody else involved in this a liar. Everybody is coming to this with good faith. The DNC is coming with good faith. We're all just trying to get an election done. We think these were a mistake, but we think they are a fatal mistake, and these ballots ought not be counted.

THE COURT: I understand. I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?

MR. GOLDSTEIN: To my knowledge at present, no.

THE COURT: Are you claiming that there is any undue or improper influence upon the elector with respect to these 592 ballots?

MR. GOLDSTEIN:To my knowledge at present, no.

ALERT: WE JUST INTERVENED IN PENNSYLVANIA

Two counties that were suspected of fraud, Trump won:

Trump, Without Evidence of Fraud, Files Federal Suit to Block Pennsylvania from Certifying Election Results

As I have said in several posts now, we all want a fair election, this process needs to be determined by the courts, Why is the liberal media and some liberals in such a hurry to get Trump to concede? Do they have something to fear?

KCfromNC · Nov 12, 2020

disciple Clint said:
As I have said in several posts now, we all want a fair election, this process needs to be determined by the courts, Why is the liberal media and some liberals in such a hurry to get Trump to concede?

Who specifically is "in a hurry"? Seems like the majority of people you're talking about waited until the results were known. And now that they are and Donald has lost, it is time to move on.

disciple Clint · Nov 12, 2020

KCfromNC said:
Who specifically is "in a hurry"? Seems like the majority of people you're talking about waited until the results were known. And now that they are and Donald has lost, it is time to move on.

it will be time to move on when the election results are certified. What is your rush??? Are you worried??

KCfromNC · Nov 12, 2020

disciple Clint said:
it will be time to move on when the election results are certified. What is your rush??? Are you worried??

No, no more than any other day during Donald's failure of an administration. Thanks for your concern, though.

essentialsaltes · Nov 12, 2020

disciple Clint said:
it will be time to move on when the election results are certified. What is your rush??? Are you worried??

Worried that the Biden transition team isn't being properly briefed on national security and other issues, yes. Some states will certify in December. We never wait for certification to get the wheels in motion when the outcome is clear.

camille70 · Nov 12, 2020

essentialsaltes said:
Worried that the Biden transition team isn't being properly briefed on national security and other issues, yes. Some states will certify in December. We never wait for certification to get the wheels in motion when the outcome is clear.

Thanks. Saved me a reply. It's the hypocrisy that I can't stand. Check this out:

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1326531730338033667?s=20

You have to click on her name to see her profile, but there is a screenshot here:

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1326613468485709829?s=20

disciple Clint · Nov 13, 2020

KCfromNC said:
No, no more than any other day during Donald's failure of an administration. Thanks for your concern, though.

If you think that was bad brace yourself. The worst is yet to come with the Biden administration.

disciple Clint · Nov 13, 2020

essentialsaltes said:
Worried that the Biden transition team isn't being properly briefed on national security and other issues, yes. Some states will certify in December. We never wait for certification to get the wheels in motion when the outcome is clear.

Let me just remind you that Biden is not president elect until the election is certified no need to rush Biden can do little to nothing until he is president anyway.

Speedwell · Nov 13, 2020

disciple Clint said:
If you think that was bad brace yourself. The worst is yet to come with the Biden administration.

What are you particularly afraid will be worse?

disciple Clint · Nov 13, 2020

Speedwell said:
What are you particularly afraid will be worse?

I am concerned that we will see the worst parts of the Obama administration repeated

7thKeeper · Nov 13, 2020

disciple Clint said:
I am concerned that we will see the worst parts of the Obama administration repeated

Which are? No need to be cryptic.

disciple Clint · Nov 13, 2020

7thKeeper said:
Which are? No need to be cryptic.

Not being cryptic just not wanting to write a thesis on what was wrong in the Obama administration. Biden also is going to have some serious problems with those who think that they should receive special consideration for helping him win the election. We are already hearing from BLM and the Bernie brigade as well as AOC and the squad. When I see who he is appointing it looks like he thinks he can return to the way things were. Someone needs to remind him that the good old days were not that good.

Kentonio · Nov 13, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Let me just remind you that Biden is not president elect until the election is certified no need to rush Biden can do little to nothing until he is president anyway.

Actually there is a huge rush, which is why transition processes and funding were introduced in the first place. The US government and military is so vast that imagining you can just walk in on day one and smoothly take over is utterly ridiculous. It takes an immense amount of work to prepare a new administration, and meanwhile the country needs to be protected and kept safe as the administrations change over.

The longer that process is prevented from starting, the less prepared a new administration will be and the more potential there is for America and Americans to be harmed. In case you forgot this is particularly vital this time, because there's the small matter of a global pandemic sweeping across the country killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.

KCfromNC · Nov 13, 2020

disciple Clint said:
If you think that was bad brace yourself. The worst is yet to come with the Biden administration.

This sure reads like the question about me being worried was less actual concern about my state of mind and more about projection.

It is OK, you made it through 8 years of the Kenyan Atheist Communist Muslim Obama's FEMA death camps, you'll survive Biden.

7thKeeper · Nov 13, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Not being cryptic just not wanting to write a thesis on what was wrong in the Obama administration. Biden also is going to have some serious problems with those who think that they should receive special consideration for helping him win the election. We are already hearing from BLM and the Bernie brigade as well as AOC and the squad. When I see who he is appointing it looks like he thinks he can return to the way things were. Someone needs to remind him that the good old days were not that good.

Oh no need to write a thesis. But I suspect that we have differing ideas on what was wrong, so you just saying what was wrong means absolutely nothing, as the worst parts mean different things to different people. So I don't know what you'd mean by that.

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