All things

Dave L said:

Why did he harden hearts to make sin inevitable?

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He never says that he hardened hearts as to make sin inevitable ...

A_Thinker said:

He never says that he hardened hearts as to make sin inevitable ...

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How about Pharaoh?

Dave L said:

This was not part of the Law. But it is his will to visit sin with sin. Heart hardening proves this. Look at today. God's 4 sore judgements all around us. Plagues, war, famine, and wild animals producing most disease. You certainly can see this as based on scripture.

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Which scriptures ... ???

A_Thinker said:

Which scriptures ... ???

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Google it. You should be familiar with this.

Dave L said:

How about Pharaoh?

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Nothing says that Pharoah's sin was inevitable.

In the beginning, Pharoah hardened his own heart.

And in the end, Pharoah relented, ... though God had previously hardened his heart ...

Dave L said:

Google it. You should be familiar with this.

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You're copping out.

It's your assertion ... you should offer your support of it ...

A_Thinker said:

Nothing says that Pharoah's sin was inevitable.

In the beginning, Pharoah hardened his own heart.

And in the end, Pharoah relented, ... though God had previously hardened his heart ...

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God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Pharaoh also hardened it having a seared conscience from unrepentant sin.

A_Thinker said:

You're copping out.

It's your assertion ... you should support it ...

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You should know these things.

Dave L said:

You should know these things.

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I have presented my scriptural support of my assertions ... as Peter instructs ...

1 Peter 3:15 Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you. But respond with gentleness and respect, ...

A_Thinker said:

I have presented my scriptural support of my assertions ... as Peter instructs ...

1 Peter 3:15 Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you. But respond with gentleness and respect, ...

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You should know this or not be in this discussion. It's in the OT several places and easily viewed in Revelation.

Dave L said:

You should know this or not be in this discussion. It's in the OT several places and easily viewed in Revelation.

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You don't get to judge who should ... or should not participate in this discussion.

Just hold up your end ...

A_Thinker said:

You don't get to judge who should ... or should not participate in this discussion.

Just hold up your end ...

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I gave you a topic and pointed you to google where you cannot argue the point.

Hammster said:

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things.

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When Jesus commanded his disciples to pray "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven", he was saying what God's will is here on earth (there is no sin, depression, or sickness in Heaven), and that we are commanded and capable to do something about his will not being done here on earth (i.e. pray).

All things does not include evil things - as evil things (unlike His will) are not done in Heaven.

The Bible says plainly God creates evil in several books. The whole of creation was made by God so how is it possible to remove the creators influence over his plan without reducing his divine attributes?

Hammster said:

If God allows sin, do you think it might be because He has a purpose for that sin?

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No, not at all, but he does have a great purpose in allowing free will.

Hammster said:

always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;
— Ephesians 5:20

If God has decreed all things that come to pass, it’s easy to understand how we should give thanks in all things. We may not always understand these things, especially the tragic, but we can still be thankful even through tears and mourning. We know that God’s plan will bring Him glory.

My question is for those who don’t think that God decrees all that comes to pass. How do you give thanks to God in all things if He’s not in charge of all things?

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Very easily, because what God does not “cause”, He allows to happen, for the good that can come from it. I am glade for all the things God cause to happen and allowed to happen.

All Glory To God said:

The Bible says plainly God creates evil in several books. The whole of creation was made by God so how is it possible to remove the creators influence over his plan without reducing his divine attributes?

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If Jesus commanded us to pray "Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven", can evil be part of God's plan? Is God conflicted - commanding us to pray something that is not His will on earth? God's seeming tolerance (due to giving us free will) of evil is short lived and includes extreme judgement. Do not test.

Regardless of the thread muse, the cryptic nature of the question got my cogs turning. So consider this a toilet read if nothing else.

God represents the monarchy. WE represent parliament. Just like the Queen can liquidise parliament, God can rule as autocratic leader over us. But again - like the Queen, God is FAR too diplomatic to do so. He wants to leave it to US to manage. (Not a complex concept.)

The truly mind-bending part pertains to the human concept of time. Because God surely knows EVERYTHING. He knows everything that has ever happened from the point of the big bang, and everything that ever WILL happen right up to the bitter end - when we're literally down to the final two stars orbiting each other in this cold dark universe, several trillion years from now.

Personally, I've learned NOT to go that far out. Instead, I take solace in the fact that God is the best scientist, story teller, craftsman, magician, lover, artist and architect that there will EVER be. Maybe we're just the result of God experiencing Himself through us via this theatrical event? And the Bible is the script? Who knows? I just know that the further I study into this faith the more it fascinates me. The biggest mistake you can ever make is to assume you've learned all there is to learn.

If I'm way off (which I probably am) forgive me.

John Mullally said:

If Jesus commanded us to pray "Your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven", can evil be part of God's plan? Is God conflicted - commanding us to pray something that is not His will on earth? God's seeming tolerance (due to giving us free will) of evil is short lived and includes extreme judgement. Do not test.

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I always assumed praying to God for his will to be done was an appeal to be harmonised with the creator, so the will of God to be done in the beliveres life. To be a servant of God and not in rebellion. Or to put it another way we might ask, you have your plan Lord, please keep my mind and spirit in step with it.

That's what I take from the Lords prayer.

All Glory To God said:

I always assumed praying to God for his will to be done was an appeal to be harmonised with the creator, so the will of God to be done in the beliveres life.

That's what I take from the Lords prayer.

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I would agree with you if the command to his disciples was to pray "Your will be done 'in my life' as it is in heaven" - but it is not limited to just the believer as it expands to 'the earth'.