What About Progressive Sanctification?

BNR32FAN said:

The 7 churches in Asia Minor were not murdering or raping people and Jesus told them they must repent or He would remove their lamp stand and spit them out of His mouth etc. the parable of the wedding feast, the 10 virgins, and many other of Jesus’ parables are about being prepared for His return. We must be in a repentant state when He returns for we know not when the master of the house will return.

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Where to find security? From looking at oneself or from looking at Christ dying on the cross for our sins? I believe security should come from the latter. If we look at ourself to see if we are saved, we wave back and forward, from one day being a "good saved Christian" to the next day being a "bad unsaved Christian". At least that is my experience. Some people judge themself extremly hard, and this can be really unhealthy, making Christians live in anxiety and fear.

zoidar said:

Where to find security? From looking at oneself or from looking at Christ dying on the cross for our sins? I believe security should come from the latter. If we look at ourself to see if we are saved, we wave back and forward, from one day being a "good saved Christian" to the next day being a "bad unsaved Christian". At least that is my experience. Some people judge themself extremly hard, and this can be really unhealthy, making Christians live in anxiety and fear.

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Where do you see security about salvation in the scriptures? There is no scripture that says you can’t lose your salvation.

BNR32FAN said:

Where do you see security about salvation in the scriptures? There is no scripture that says you can’t lose your salvation.

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Of course there is no scripture that says you can't lose salvation, because that is not biblical (at least not from my understanding), but that's not what I was saying. I do believe we are to feel secure in our salvation, though. I don't know what scripture that specifically says we are to feel secure in salvation, but that's a general idea in the letters, I believe. Paul says for an example that we are to rejoice in our salvation, how can we rejoice if we are worried at the same time?

RickReads said:

Maybe if you said something intelligible I could understand you better.

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I had to ask you this 4 times before you finally answered with an answer that doesn’t even make sense.

BNR32FAN said:

What do you mean by elect? Do you mean they were not chosen by God according to His foreknowledge of who would choose to abide in Christ and endure to the end or do you mean that they were not chosen by God and determined by Him to abide in Christ and endure to the end?

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RickReads said:

It`s a combination of both but predetermined is a fact of life

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BNR32FAN said:

both is an impossibility. Either God determines a person’s fate or they determine it. It can’t be both. It sounds like you don’t really know what you believe election is.

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And you still won’t give any explanation on how election is the result of both God and the individual choosing because you know you’ve been caught in a contradiction. This has nothing to do with not being able to understand the question it’s a simple matter of not being able to back it up. 2 Timothy 2:12, John 15:6, Galatians 5:4 should all be impossible according to your theology if no one can lose their salvation. All three of these are clear cases of a saved individual being capable of losing his salvation.

RickReads said:

For all your cut and paste dumping you really have no comprehension of the gospel. The saying of Jesus that I reference is a legitimate case of sarcasm on the part of Jesus. The people He was talking about were not righteous, they just thought they were. Goodbye.

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Amen! Luke 5:32 (NLT) - I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.

Luke 5:32 - (AMP) I did not come to call the [self-proclaimed] righteous [who see no need to repent], but sinners to repentance [to change their old way of thinking, to turn from sin and to seek God and His righteousness].

Jesus statement was in response to the Pharisees and scribes:

Luke 5:30 The Pharisees and their scribes began grumbling to His disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with the tax collectors and sinners?”

John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible
I came not to call the righteous,.... Such as the Scribes and Pharisees were in their own apprehension, and in the esteem of others, who trusted in themselves, that they were righteous, and submitted not to the righteousness of Christ: these Christ came not to call by his grace, and therefore did not associate himself with them: but sinners to repentance; such as the publicans, and others, with them, were; and therefore he was chiefly with such, and chose to be among them: these he not only called to repentance by the outward ministry of the word, but brought them to it; he having power to bestow the grace of repentance, as well as to call to the duty of it; See Gill on Matthew 9:13. See Gill on Mark 2:17.

zoidar said:

Of course there is no scripture that says you can't lose salvation, because that is not biblical (at least not from my understanding), but that's not what I was saying. I do believe we are to feel secure in our salvation, though. I don't know what scripture that specifically says we are to feel secure in salvation, but that's a general idea in the letters, I believe. Paul says for an example that we are to rejoice in our salvation, how can we rejoice if we are worried at the same time?

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Amen a person can feel secure in his salvation because he can know if he is walking in the Spirit or not. A person can also know that he is not saved if he does not repent. Do you not feel that your salvation is in jeopardy when you sin if you don’t repent of that sin or do you feel like you can continue in that sin and still be saved? I’m not talking about stumbling or accidental sin I’m talking about willful sin. I can feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit telling me you better stop this otherwise you won’t be saved. God has expectations of His children. We’re the 7 churches in Asia Minor going to be saved if they didn’t repent?

zoidar said:

That belief sounds to me to give you a very insecure place in faith, that we are moving in and out of salvation, if that is what you mean. I believe when you become a child of God, you are a child of God, until you are completely cut off the tree. As I understand it we are born again once. I don't believe you lose salvation falling for a temptation, like stealing something from work.

I'm not clear about what happens if a born again believer slides back into living in sin, like fornication. Is he saved while doing this? I doubt it. Good question though, maybe someone has a good answer.

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There are two places in Scripture that make it clear that a saved believer (who once had spiritual life) can die spiritually as a result of their sin, and then come back to spiritual life again by confessing and forsaking their sin again to the Lord.

Scripture Reference #1. - Luke 15:24.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32), we learn that the prodigal son squandered his inheritance on prostitutes and when the son came back home and sought forgiveness with him, his father said that his son was “dead”, and he became “alive AGAIN.” Seeing the prodigal son did not die physically in this story, it is in reference to his spiritual state with God. Ephesians 2:1 says, “you... who were dead in trespasses and sins;”

In fact, the father said two times that his son was DEAD and he is ALIVE AGAIN. In addition, the father said he was also LOST, and is FOUND (Luke 15:24, Luke 15:32). Generally when we refer to the lost in the Bible, we are referring to those who are unsaved.

Anyways, here is the place in Scripture that refutes your false thinking that we cannot die spiritually on account of our sin, and then come back to salvation again.

Luke 15:24 KJB
“For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”

Notice that it says the words, “alive AGAIN.”
How can a person be alive again in what you believe? It makes no sense in light of your belief. What does “alive AGAIN” mean to you?

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Oh, and Jesus is called the everlasting father because when He gives faithful believers a new physical body one day in the New Earth, they will be resurrected after the DNA (or likeness) of their Savior. In other words, Jesus will be sort of be like our father physically (if we remain faithful to Him). For it will be by the power of His resurrection that will make it possible for us to rise again one day. So Jesus is the father in this story. For Jesus is the only mediator between God and man (See: 1 Timothy 2:5).


Scripture Reference #2. - James 5:19-20

Another Scripture where we learn about how a once saved believer can die spiritually on account of their sin, and then come back to spiritual life again is in James 5:19-20. Let's read the passage.

19 “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” (James 5:19-20) (KJB).

Okay, first, for clarification, this passage is referring to “the believer” because it references the “Brethren” and it says, “if any of you do err...”

Second, what this passage is saying is that if you (the believer or brethren) err (i.e. stray away) from the truth (i.e. stray away from Jesus who is the truth, like in parable of the the prodigal son), and another believer helps to convert this prodigal believer back to the faith again by getting them to confess of their sins to Jesus and rededicate their life back to Christ, then we are to let that believer who helped to bring back the prodigal believer know that he who converts the sinner from the error of his way has helped to save a soul from spiritual death, and we are to let them know that they have helped to hide a multitude of their sins (which took place on the account of their prodigal life). So this is yet another passage in Scripture that teaches that a believer can be saved, and yet die spiritually because of sin, and then they can come back to saving faith in Christ again by confessing and forsaking their sin.

Proverbs 28:13 KJB says,
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

zoidar said:

Of course there is no scripture that says you can't lose salvation, because that is not biblical (at least not from my understanding), but that's not what I was saying. I do believe we are to feel secure in our salvation, though. I don't know what scripture that specifically says we are to feel secure in salvation, but that's a general idea in the letters, I believe. Paul says for an example that we are to rejoice in our salvation, how can we rejoice if we are worried at the same time?

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Here are several lists of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith:

Here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:


Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (like they would a pair of car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:


And here is a list of potential fallen believers:


In fact, Paul is against Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved type belief. For Paul says,

1. We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).
   
   
2. We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).
   
   
4. We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).
   
   
5. We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).
   
   
6. We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).
   
   
7. We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).
   
   
8. We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).
   
   
9. We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).
   
   
10. Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

These things would not exist in Scripture if things are as you say.

RickReads said:

There is no contradiction. It`s in your Bible and I have expounded on it in a variety of my post. Salvation
by the election is made possible because God is Omniscient. He knows outcomes in advance. You do not know your own outcome, therefore you are able to make a choice.)

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Where have you expounded on it? God knows what outcome? The outcome of the choices we will make? That would make us responsible for our choices which is exactly what I’ve been teaching the whole time.

RickReads said:

I`m not looking up these verses again but I already told you, people in these types of examples are not elect. Everything you are claiming I didn`t answer to are things I already addressed.)

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I provided the verses all you have to do is click on them to see the verse. You don’t have to look up anything.

The people in these verses aren’t elect? We’re Paul and Timothy elect? I’ll post the verses again.

“It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭NASB


“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:4‬ ‭NASB


“"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-10‬ ‭NASB

Now how can these be possible if a person cannot lose their salvation? Will you say Paul and Timothy were not elected to salvation? Will you say that Jesus’ 11 faithful apostles were not elected to salvation? Will you say that those who have been joined to Christ by The Father who bestowed grace upon them were not given the opportunity for salvation?

BNR32FAN said:

Where do you see security about salvation in the scriptures? There is no scripture that says you can’t lose your salvation.

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and there are none that say one can lose Eternal life. In fact its just the opposite we can KNOW we have Eternal Life. 1 John 5:11-13.It is a promise and Jesus gives Eternal Life to His sheep and nothing or no one can snatch or take one of them from His hands or the Fathers- John 10. Paul says the same thing in Romans 8 that NOTHING or NO ONE can separate us from Christ and names every possible scenario in this life. Paul says in Ephesians 1 that the Holy Spirit is given to us as a GUARENTEE of our inheritance, its a pledge, a down-payment for our future with Christ in eternity.

hope this helps !!!

BNR32FAN said:

Amen a person can feel secure in his salvation because he can know if he is walking in the Spirit or not. A person can also know that he is not saved if he does not repent. Do you not feel that your salvation is in jeopardy when you sin if you don’t repent of that sin or do you feel like you can continue in that sin and still be saved? I’m not talking about stumbling or accidental sin I’m talking about willful sin. I can feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit telling me you better stop this otherwise you won’t be saved. God has expectations of His children. We’re the 7 churches in Asia Minor going to be saved if they didn’t repent?

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Of course if you live in sin, like in habitual stealing or fornication your are not supposed to feel secure, you are to feel frightened, to come to repentance.

Jesus is YHWH said:

and there are none that say one can lose Eternal life. In fact its just the opposite we can KNOW we have Eternal Life. 1 John 5:11-13.It is a promise and Jesus gives Eternal Life to His sheep and nothing or no one can snatch or take one of them from His hands or the Fathers- John 10. Paul says the same thing in Romans 8 that NOTHING or NO ONE can separate us from Christ and names every possible scenario in this life. Paul says in Ephesians 1 that the Holy Spirit is given to us as a GUARENTEE of our inheritance, its a pledge, a down-payment for our future with Christ in eternity.

hope this helps !!!

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“And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
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Amen he who HAS the Son has eternal life. Not he who had the Son at one time or another. In John 15:6 these who didn’t abide in Christ did they have the Son at one time? Yes you can’t remain in Christ if you were never in Christ to begin with and remember Jesus is saying this to His 11 faithful apostles. Galatians 5:4 did these people have Christ at one time? Yes, you can’t be severed from Christ if you were never joined to Him and you can’t fall from grace unless God has bestowed grace upon you.

John 5:13 John says “THESE THINGS” I have written to you that you may know you have eternal life. What things did John write?


“Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-6, 8-10‬ ‭NASB

Did John write we can know we have eternal life if we continue to sin without repentance? Did he write that we cannot lose our salvation no matter what we do? No he didn’t.

zoidar said:

Of course if you live in sin, like in habitual stealing or fornication your are not supposed to feel secure, you are to feel frightened, to come to repentance.

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But what fear are you talking about? Loss of a comfortable life here? Or loss of salvation?

Bible Highlighter said:

There are two places in Scripture that make it clear that a saved believer (who once had spiritual life) can die spiritually as a result of their sin, and then come back to spiritual life again by confessing and forsaking their sin again to the Lord.

Scripture Reference #1. - Luke 15:24.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32), we learn that the prodigal son squandered his inheritance on prostitutes and when the son came back home and sought forgiveness with him, his father said that his son was “dead”, and he became “alive AGAIN.” Seeing the prodigal son did not die physically in this story, it is in reference to his spiritual state with God. Ephesians 2:1 says, “you... who were dead in trespasses and sins;”

In fact, the father said two times that his son was DEAD and he is ALIVE AGAIN. In addition, the father said he was also LOST, and is FOUND (Luke 15:24, Luke 15:32). Generally when we refer to the lost in the Bible, we are referring to those who are unsaved.

Anyways, here is the place in Scripture that refutes your false thinking that we cannot die spiritually on account of our sin, and then come back to salvation again.

Luke 15:24 KJB
“For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”

Notice that it says the words, “alive AGAIN.”
How can a person be alive again in what you believe? It makes no sense in light of your belief. What does “alive AGAIN” mean to you?

Side Note:

Oh, and Jesus is called the everlasting father because when He gives faithful believers a new physical body one day in the New Earth, they will be resurrected after the DNA (or likeness) of their Savior. In other words, Jesus will be sort of be like our father physically (if we remain faithful to Him). For it will be by the power of His resurrection that will make it possible for us to rise again one day. So Jesus is the father in this story. For Jesus is the only mediator between God and man (See: 1 Timothy 2:5).


Scripture Reference #2. - James 5:19-20

Another Scripture where we learn about how a once saved believer can die spiritually on account of their sin, and then come back to spiritual life again is in James 5:19-20. Let's read the passage.

19 “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” (James 5:19-20) (KJB).

Okay, first, for clarification, this passage is referring to believer because it references the “Brethren” and it says, “if any of you do err...”

Second, what this passage is saying is that if you (the believer or brethren) err (i.e. stray away) from the truth (i.e. stray away from Jesus who is the truth, like in parable of the the prodigal son), and another believer helps to convert this prodigal believer back to the faith again by getting them to confess of their sins to Jesus and rededicate their life back to Christ, then we are to let that believer who helped to bring back the prodigal believer know that he who converts the sinner from the error of his way has helped to save a soul from spiritual death, and we are to let them know that they have helped to hide a multitude of their sins (which took place on the account of their prodigal life). So this is yet another passage in Scripture that teaches that a believer can be saved, and yet die spiritually because of sin, and then they can come back to saving faith in Christ again by confessing and forsaking their sin.

Proverbs 28:13 KJB says,
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

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I said we CAN die spiritually because of sin. I don't think it's a question of being "unborn", but rather we are still born again but have quenched the Holy Spirit. I don't think we can be born again twice. I haven't found any scripture that clearly states that. The only way to be "unborn" from my view, is by renouncing Christ, and that is blasphemy against the Spirit, where there is no return.

Bible Highlighter said:

Here are several lists of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith:

Here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3​

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (like they would a pair of car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)
Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)
The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)
Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)
Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)
Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14-15)
Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8-10)
Ananias and Sapphira (Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11)​

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45-46)
Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)
The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14-15)
Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)
Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)
Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5-6)
Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)
Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)
Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7-8)
The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back (James 5:19-20)​

In fact, Paul is against Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved type belief. For Paul says,

1. We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).
   
   
2. We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).
   
   
4. We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).
   
   
5. We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).
   
   
6. We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).
   
   
7. We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).
   
   
8. We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).
   
   
9. We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).
   
   
10. Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

These things would not exist in Scripture if things are as you say.

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I do agree to what you say. I was just about to push the "agree button" when I saw you wrote: "These things would not exist in Scripture if things are as you say."

BNR32FAN said:

“And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:11-13‬ ‭NASB

Amen he who HAS the Son has eternal life. Not he who had the Son at one time or another. In John 15:6 these who didn’t abide in Christ did they have the Son at one time? Yes you can’t remain in Christ if you were never in Christ to begin with and remember Jesus is saying this to His 11 faithful apostles. Galatians 5:4 did these people have Christ at one time? Yes, you can’t be severed from Christ if you were never joined to Him and you can’t fall from grace unless God has bestowed grace upon you.

John 5:13 John says “THESE THINGS” I have written to you that you may know you have eternal life. What things did John write?


“Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1-6, 8-10‬ ‭NASB

Did John write we can know we have eternal life if we continue to sin without repentance? Did he write that we cannot lose our salvation no matter what we do? No he didn’t.

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And there are numerous passages that declare Eternal Life is a completed action and a present one.

John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:47
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 6:54
54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed out of death into life,